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PONE-D-23-00798SCHOOLING OF LIGHT REFLECTING FISHPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Pertzelan, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Apr 06 2023 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I find this work very interesting and with an important contribution to the field. The methods are sound and the text well written. I have some concerns about some parts and suggestions that in my opinion may help the paper’s impact. Please find below my comments. 1) I am not convinced that the view in Figure 8 provides support to the fact that visual cues of shimmering waves are or aren’t sensed by the fish. The group density has a large effect on such view in a real school, especially when individuals are not flat but the body of ones neighbours covers a large part of its field of view. Also, the emergent group density during schooling is the simulations is not mentioned. At the same time, the anticipation mode assumed in line 445 is supported by empirical findings that show that alarmed fish do reduce their response-latency when there are sensing predator risk at the environment.: Herbert-Read, J.E., Rosén, E., Szorkovszky, A., Ioannou, C.C., Rogell, B., Perna, A., Ramnarine, I.W., Kotrschal, A., Kolm, N., Krause, J. and Sumpter, D.J., 2017. How predation shapes the social interaction rules of shoaling fish. Proceedings of the Royal Society B: Biological Sciences, 284(1861), p.20171126. Thus, early signals of predation can also be chemical cues. In terms of the results of section 4, the earlier signal results in the wave accelerating, which is quite intuitive. I thus think that section 4 should be revised to make its take away message clearer or otherwise incorporated as a special case of section 2 and have the machine learning methodology details of section 3 moved earlier before section 2 and the presentation of the sections (line 227). 2) Lines 379-392 are a bit too technical for non-experts on machine learning. I think the authors should either give some more definitions (dropout, patience, introduction of the layers, etc) or move some of the details in the supplementary. 3) The discussion is a bit poor. The only paragraph that relates to literature is the one on section 4, that I think is the less strong part of the paper’s contribution. Extending the discussion I think can highly benefit the paper’s impact. 4) Lines 123-124: there has been previous work on agitation waves of starlings where measurements of luminance were used to measure wave intensity and propagation. I think this work is highly relevant to the methodology presented here and should be included: Hemelrijk, C. K., Costanzo, A., Hildenbrandt, H., & Carere, C. (2019). Damping of waves of agitation in starling flocks. Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology, 73, 1-7. 5) Lines 172-173: I think that the decision to give priority to cohesion and alignments over repulsion in evasive steps needs a reference or an explanation. 6) Line 309: it would be nice to have the time also in seconds here rather than only steps. 7) Lines 338-340: it is a bit unclear from the text what differentiation the authors mean. It is clear after reading the tasks, so I would suggest revising these sentences to clarify it. 8) Why does the group size decrease from 15000 to 1000 agents from 2 to 3 and 4? 9) Line 345, 360, 362 etc: I find the ‘class’ terminology confusing and unnecessary. Just referring to scenarios throughout may be more intuitive. Minor comments: - Line 131: two opening quotes in ‘schooling’ state - Figure 4 and 9: the colorscale labels are missing - Line 369: closing parenthesis missing - Line 484: figure ref mistake - Lines 228, 231, 232: I guess it means sections 2, 3, and 4 respectively - Lines 524: Closing parenthesis missing Reviewer #2: This paper presents an agent-based model of collective animal behavior designed to replicate the shimmering wave of pelagic fish schools, which propagate flashes of sunlight reflected off fish skin. As an interested reader, I found the methodology of flash observations from the external observer to be innovative. Also, the hypothesis that "the heightened state of anticipation is caused by changes in the pattern of reflected light, as perceived by school members found downstream of the propagating wave" is intriguing. However, I have some comments and suggestions regarding the interpretation of the results: (1)This paper was conducted entirely through computer simulations, without using empirical or experimental data on real shimmering waves. Therefore, there are likely to be several limitations that should be addressed in future studies with real animal data, but the authors provide almost no descriptions regarding the lack of such data. (a)For example, the authors suggest that fish are able to perceive shimmering waves, which enables them to rapidly propagate waves and detect the presence of predators. While this is an interesting result from computer simulation, it is not experimentally substantiated. Emphasizing that this can be tested with real animal groups would make the paper more persuasive. Indeed, even with real data, if available, the speeding up of wave propagation caused by flash perception by fish could be observed as a change in the slope of fish density and observed flashes in the time-distance plot (Fig. 9). (b)One weak point of this study is that the proposed model includes too many parameters, which can make the model behavior difficult to interpret and understand. It is unclear whether, for example, different weights of the three rules (alignment, repulsion, and cohesion) are necessary for different group states (schooling, evasive, predator response, and copy response). While the authors investigated model behavior by varying some parameters such as latency, they fixed other parameters. To determine whether these parameters are essential, comparisons with real fish school data would be necessary. (2) I am interested in the statement regarding criticality in the Discussion (lines 524-527), but I believe the authors should make less strong assessments. Empirical observations of criticality in collective animal behavior have been accumulated (e.g., Cavagna et al., PNAS, 2010), and even clear power-law behavior was found recently (Gómez-Nava et al., Nat. Phys., 2023), although it was not about wave propagation. I therefore would say that non-local signaling by flashes alleviates the need to assume that the school is poised near criticality, “at least” when it comes to wave propagation involving drastic high-speed turns with almost 180 degree rotation. In relation to this, I wonder whether there could be other advantages of non-local signaling when compared to criticality, such as avoiding false alarms. A system at a critical point is known to be highly sensitive to external perturbations, and this sensitivity probably increases the chances of 'false alarms,' which can be a disadvantage for the system when induced collective behavior requires large energetic costs to perform, such as the drastic turns observed in the shimmering wave. However, when individuals perceive flashes to perform turns, they should perceive it as a mass of groupmates (a conspicuous area of flashes of light) not as individual group mates, which may enable them to avoid reacting to the decisions of a single member, decreasing the chance of false alarms. Minors: Fig. 1: Where and how did you obtain this video? Was it recorded by yourselves? Have you published any papers on this field observation elsewhere? If so, please refer to them. Additionally, would it be possible to include this video as supplemental material to help readers better understand what a shimmering wave is? Line 140: Would it be more accurate to say "corresponding to the direction of the fish's back" instead of "corresponding to the back of the fish"? Line 170: Is there any empirical evidence supporting the maximum speed mentioned? Lines 199-213: It would be beneficial to move Fig. S3 to the main text to assist readers in understanding the calculation of light reflected towards the external observer. References Cavagna, A., Cimarelli, A., Giardina, I., Parisi, G., Santagati, R., Stefanini, F., & Viale, M. (2010). Scale-free correlations in starling flocks. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 107(26), 11865-11870. doi: doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1005766107 Gómez-Nava, L., Lange, R. T., Klamser, P. P., Lukas, J., Arias-Rodriguez, L., Bierbach, D., ... & Romanczuk, P. (2023). Fish shoals resemble a stochastic excitable system driven by environmental perturbations. Nature Physics, 1-7. doi: doi.org/10.1038/s41567-022-01916-1 ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. 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PONE-D-23-00798R1SCHOOLING OF LIGHT REFLECTING FISHPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Pertzelan, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by July 26th. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: The authors did an excellent job revising the manuscript according to the given comments, I find the paper very improved and I am happy to recommend its acceptance after a few minor comments being considered, please find them below: - Figure 3 and Lines 262-271: I find the caption and figure a bit difficult to understand, I think they could be improved a bit: (a) which is the yellow cone? It is only in 3a, (b) Which direction is towards us? (c) what are the dotted blue lines in b? (d) perhaps an annotation for t and t-1 can be added on the figure, (e) what are the yellow arrows representing? - Line 413: ‘recreate’ - Line 416: ‘in and of themselves’ is confusing appearing before the subject ‘flash patterns’ - Lines 419-420: I think the sentence needs revision, is ‘rather than’ what the authors mean? - Lines 422: ‘of’ the individual - Line 424: ‘which is and observer’ ? - Line 426: ‘that’ before ‘a stationary’ can improve the sentence - Figure 8 & Lines 452-455: the figure and caption should be reordered to follow the new order of the text (a - attack direction, b – shape, c – motion rules). Also, references to Figure 8b and 8c can be added to the relevant text sessions (line 434 and 439). - Line 503: ‘attack’ - Perhaps Figures 9-11 could be merged into 1 figure as A, B, C subplots. - Line 581: I would replace ‘are’ with ‘may’, since its hasn’t been tested in real fish. Reviewer #2: The authors have done a thorough work of responding to my comments. The previous version was a nice contribution, and the revision have made it more so. The quality (resolution) of the figures is quite low and some of them are invisible. They should be improved at the proof. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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