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Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English??> Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** Reviewer #1: In this study, the authors assessed the impact of sex bias on a specific internal test set using CNNs for diagnosing knee joint recess distension using ultrasound imaging. My specific comments are as follows: COMMENTS: Comment 1: “The integration of artificial intelligence (AI), particularly convolutional neural networks 73 (CNNs), in medical imaging is revolutionizing early diagnosis practices (8–10).” This is wrong. Because “particularly” CNNs are not the state of the art anymore. The vision transformers which are the backbones of foundation models are the state of the art. Comment 2: What pretraining weights were used for the AI models? Comment 3: The authors should perform the analysis for the state of the art methods including vision transformers as well. Comment 4: The methods based on self-supervised learning should also be considered. How will the bias be for the models which are fine-tuned when initialized with SSL weights such as DINOv2. Comment 5: Comparison to foundation models is also missing. The authors should analyze how the foundation models in this field perform in terms of sex bias. Both in zero-shot and fine-tuned with their training data scenario. Comment 6: The statistical analysis should be revisited. The authors currently base everything on the n=5 of five folds of validation. This is not a very representative statistical analysis. The authors should set a held-out test set fixed across all experiments and perform strictly paired analyses. To get the statistical measures (mean +- SD, as well as p-values for the comparisons) the authors may use bootstrapping. Comment 7: The literature review is not complete and many of the important references related to this study are missing. Comment 8: More figures could be used in this manuscript for better and easier explanation of the contents for the reader. Moreover, figure 1 is not very easily readable. Comment 9: How can we see the source code of this work for reproduction? To sum up, the presented results cannot be accepted as general findings in this field yet. The authors only used a specific type of architecture (CNN) and only a specific small dataset, and only one paradigm of methodology, no validation of the results on public data, and without proper statical significance analyses. Reviewer #2: Strengths: -This paper is the first to explore the problem of sex bias on mskus -The study highlights important aspects that need to be further studied -The paper is well-written and well-organized Weaknesses: -The main claim is not supported by the results -Missing a statistical significance test -Missing details for reproducibility -Lack of a discussion on the implications and possible solutions Detailed comment: The main claim of the paper is to highlight the demographic bias on diagnostic accuracy, suggesting the need for more diverse training data. The experiments carried out in the paper are not sufficient to support such a claim. The difference in the results might be solely due to the different training and validation sets, that change for each subset. With such a claim I expected to have the model trained on the male subgroup to outperform the one trained on the female for the male test data, and so on, while results show that in some cases the best performing model of a subgroup is the one trained on the other subgroup. I expected that the one trained on both was outperforming the others on all the metrics while it happens for only some of them, thus invalidating the claim that it has increased generalizability. To support such claims a statistical significance test should be performed between the various groups to ensure that the difference in results is relevant. As the second point, I find the work missing some methodological details to ensure reproducibility, as I understand that the data cannot be shared, the methodological choices should be accurately reported. As an example there is no clear description of how the 5000 images were selected from the bigger cohort, and how the 80/20 split was performed, is it stratified? Is it patient-based? Also pre-processing and training procedures need to be better described: data augmentation is relevant and should be explained accurately, same for the training parameters as the scheduler, which policy was used? Minor comments: On 3.3 it would be interesting to see the grad-cam of the sex-classification model to better understand the features that are used by the model to make the decisions. This could be important to understand the implication and the possible bias [1]. Also, just citing the “robustness mirroring the results” is not descriptive enough: report the exact results. In a work where the methodological contribution is minor, a more in-depth analysis of the consequences of a biased model and the possible solution is needed to give strength to the paper. In 4.1 The authors talk about further experiments with significant improvement, what are these experiments? No reference to them is reported, why not show directly these results? Either include sufficient information or remove this from the paper. [1] Li, David, et al. "Deep learning prediction of sex on chest radiographs: a potential contributor to biased algorithms." Emergency Radiology 29.2 (2022) Reviewer #3: Introduction: 1. I think the study should provide some information how the AI works in assessing diagnosis of synovial recess istension (Like the general algorithm). This information in introduction will be essential to determine or show the gap research that the author want to deliver. Method 1. In Image Review and Validation, the author mentioned that a preliminary screening process conducted by an expert sonographer with extensive experience (32 years), is only one expert ask for this screening? Why does the author consider more than one expert to avoid any bias operator? Results 1. The author has delivered the results of the research questions very well. The results are informative. However, in the section 3.3 Model for the Determination of Patient Sex Using Knee Joint Ultrasound. The author did not convey the meaning of Determination of Patient Sex Using Knee Joint Ultrasound is mean. The author should explaine more about the meaning of this result. Discussion 1. I think this part needs a lot of improvement. Results have been very well delivered but it is unfortunate that they are not discussed deeply enough in the discussion section, including the main research question, which is the sex bias in diagnostic. I have yet to see a solid and comprehensive discussion between the author's findings and previous literature or other facts. Every finding that has been well presented in the results also does not appear to be reviewed in the discussion part. 2. In addition, in the discussion section, I think the author failed to convey the main message of this research, the recommendations obtained, and research questions that can be developed in the future with similar themes. ********** what does this mean? ). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No Reviewer #3: No ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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If you have cited papers that have been retracted, please include the rationale for doing so in the manuscript text, or remove these references and replace them with relevant current references. Any changes to the reference list should be mentioned in the rebuttal letter that accompanies your revised manuscript. If you need to cite a retracted article, indicate the article’s retracted status in the References list and also include a citation and full reference for the retraction notice. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author Reviewer #1: (No Response) Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions??> Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? -->?> Reviewer #1: I Don't Know Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available??> The PLOS Data policy Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English??> Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** Reviewer #1: I thank the authors for revising the manuscript and for their detailed responses. While several of the concerns have been addressed, a few key points remain only partially addressed in the revision. I outline them below. Comment 1: While the authors added text acknowledging the role of Vision Transformers, they did not revise the original overstated sentence that describes CNNs as “particularly” revolutionizing the field. This phrasing is misleading and remains uncorrected. I recommend the authors revise this sentence to avoid presenting CNNs as the state-of-the-art. Adding background on ViTs is helpful, but this change should also be reflected in the way the introduction frames CNNs. Comment 2: The authors provide a reasonable argument about scope and resources, and they have expanded their discussion to acknowledge the role of ViTs. However, the limitation remains under-communicated to the reader. The authors frame this only as “future work” in the discussion, but it is a major limitation that constrains the generalizability of the findings. This should be mentioned clearly as a limitation in the Abstract and Conclusion, not just in the body of the Discussion. Comment 3: As with ViTs, the authors expand the discussion but do not perform any experiments or properly elevate this to a clear limitation. Again, this needs to be stated explicitly in the Abstract and Conclusion, otherwise readers may mistakenly assume the findings generalize to SSL-pretrained models, which is not supported by the current experiments. Comment 4: The authors appropriately acknowledge this direction as future work but similarly fail to position it as a present limitation in the Abstract or Conclusion. I encourage them to explicitly state that the current findings are limited to CNNs trained with supervised learning and do not evaluate foundation models, which may behave differently. Reviewer #2: I thank the author for taking the presented concerns into consideration. I find the revised version significantly more relevant and well-presented. My only remaining comment is that I would recommend removing the paragraph spanning lines 469–479. While I understand the point being raised, this section should focus solely on presenting the results obtained in the current work and discussing insights derived from those results, not from other unspecified findings. ********** what does this mean? ). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. 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Evaluating the Impact of Sex Bias on AI Models in Musculoskeletal Ultrasound of Joint Recess Distension PONE-D-24-47665R4 Dear Dr. Pascal, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. We recommend you to upload high-resolution figures in the copyediting process. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice will be generated when your article is formally accepted. Please note, if your institution has a publishing partnership with PLOS and your article meets the relevant criteria, all or part of your publication costs will be covered. Please make sure your user information is up-to-date by logging into Editorial Manager at Editorial Manager® and clicking the ‘Update My Information' link at the top of the page. If you have any questions relating to publication charges, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Citrawati Dyah Kencono Wungu Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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