Peer Review History
| Original SubmissionSeptember 25, 2024 |
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PONE-D-24-42931Examining Mammalian Facial Behavior using Facial Action Coding Systems (FACS) and CombinatoricsPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Florkiewicz, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 05 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Additional Editor Comments: Dear authors, Thank you for submitting your revised manuscript. Your research investigated facial cues/signals in chimpanzees and domesticated cats and suggested further research may discover additional undocumented it. These findings could have major implications for mammal communicative research and may assist researchers in evaluating FACS coding accuracy. It was much easier to understand than the original manuscript. However, two reviewers had additional comments. Please answer these questions as listed below. I believe this manuscript will satiate the reader's interest. Tomoyoshi Komiyama [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: N/A Reviewer #2: N/A ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I would first like to commend the authors on so diligently integrating the reviewer’s comments into their revised manuscript. Many of the points that were raised by reviewers in the previous version have been addressed. However, while I acknowledge the immense amount of effort and time that went into the coding of the videos and the crafting of the Python code, I remain at present not entirely certain I have been convinced as to one of the major proposed benefits of this method. The authors very correctly describe how time consuming it can be to code behavior using FACs, and that there may be diminishing returns for such labor intensive coding if the only goal is to document a facial signaling repertoire. However, the solution that the authors present is to give researchers a tool that will enable them to calculate the theoretical maximum number of potentially communicative facial configurations an animal can produce. If I were studying an animal in which we had observed, say, 400 observed combinations, but when I ran your model I was told that there are >1,000,000 possible combinations I have not observed, I would either conclude that 1. I have a lot more work to do, and I would devote significantly more time to investigating these unobserved but possible combinations or 2. That the vast majority of these are only possible in theory and not in practice. To use another illustration, say you were told that some language could have words between 3 to 15 letters long, with 26 letters in them. Your script could generate presumably millions of possible words. Many may be real words. But the vast majority are probably not words at all (think of how many grammatical nonsense words there are in English, for instance. Help is a word, delp is not). Knowing that there are many hundreds of thousands or millions of possible words will get me no closer to knowing the actual lexicon of a human language, or non human facial signaling system, nor will it help me to decide when to stop looking for more. The method I described in my last review in which you look at the discovery curve for new signals after certain amounts of effort hours would be the only way in which I could evaluate whether I have reached a point of diminishing returns. As a result, at least half of your justification I am having a difficult time understanding. That being said, I do absolutely agree that your script could be used for validation, and I especially liked your addition of this validation being paired with automated coding methods which are far less intelligent than actual humans. If anything, I would downplay the argument about this being a tool to help researchers decide when to stop sampling, and focus on this element. Finally, forgive me but I am still not certain I understand why you did not use the fill chimpanzee facial action unit dataset. The authors say it is to ensure comparability of results between chimpanzees and cats, but you are not comparing chimpanzees to cats, you are comparing observed chimpanzees to theoretically possible chimpanzees, correct? In your discussion, you mention that the number of possible facial action units in chimpanzees is larger, and including this full dataset could increase the possible number of combinations considerably. But then say these would need to be first evaluated to assess if they are communicative. This is true for every combination and facial action unit you observed as far as I understand. So I personally think you do not need to reduce the chimpanzee dataset to facilitate a comparison you do not conduct. I apologize for continuing to be critical. Understanding nonhuman communication is a major focus of my work, and I appreciate the difficulties that come with trying to figure out how to define an animal’s repertoire. I hope these comments can be helpful in guiding your restructuring. Reviewer #2: General comment: I would like to thank the authors for carefully considering and answering my and the other reviewers’ comments on the previous version of the manuscript. While I am generally satisfied with the revisions, my previous main objection remains. I am not convinced that comparing the proportion of observed facial configurations with the total number of possible facial configurations is the way forward to make decisions about data collection and coding effort, or the assess the facial mobility and communication potential of a given species. Existing methods such as passing the FACS certification, using cumulative frequencies of facial combinations (similar to the species richness curve mentioned by reviewer 2) would achieve the same goals. These methods are already commonly used in communication research. Detailed comments: 47 This is not entirely accurate. In Clark et al. (2020) FACS was used to measure morphological differences between facial configurations. Then, statistical methods were used to assess how these differences were associated to different interaction outcomes. 60 Which three mammals does this refer to? There is a range of species which were studied in the references listed above – more than three. 63-64 That is true, but it doesn't seem that the method you propose is capable to considering graded and blended signals either. It doesn’t seem fair to highlight this as a limitation to justify your approach when it suffers from the same issue. 107-109 As mentioned above, there is already such a method, based on the number of unique configurations observed over time. Optimal observation effort can be identified when the curved reach a plateau. See Hobaiter, C., & Byrne, R. W. (2011). The gestural repertoire of the wild chimpanzee. Animal cognition, 14, 745-767 for example. 145 I would use the past tense (compiled) since the study has already been conducted. 291-301 A lot, if not all the information presented here has already been presented in the methods. It only needs to appear once. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. 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Therefore, I have no further suggestions. I believe this manuscript will satiate the reader's interest. Tomoyoshi Komiyama Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Thank you for again taking the time to integrate the additional comments from myself and the other reviewer. The clarifications and qualifications that were provided in text addressed my remaining concerns satisfactorily. I look forward to seeing this paper in print. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: Yes: Severine Hex ********** |
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