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| Original SubmissionDecember 26, 2023 |
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PONE-D-23-43692ASV vs OTUs clustering: effects on alpha, beta and gamma diversities in microbiome metabarcoding studiesPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Squartini, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jun 08 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Both the reviewers raised a series of concerns about your manuscript, which include; - lack of details in the methods section, including missing details in the sample description and description of diversity measures - incomplete reference section, which needs to be improved by following the reviewers' comments - criticism about the use of a specific method (Bray Curtis) for distance matrix calculation - poorly described results (e.g., gamma diversity ones) In light of the reviewers' comments found at the bottom of this letter and my own assessment, I recommend major revision. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: No ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. 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(Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is the first round of revision for the manuscript PONE-D-23-43692, entitled "ASV vs OTUs clustering: effects on alpha, beta and gamma diversities in microbiome metabarcoding studies", by Fasolo A and colleagues. In this paper the Authors try to bring their contribution to the ongoing discussion regarding the opportunity or not to work with ASV instead of OTUS in metabarcoding studies, showing a work focusing on the bacterial fraction of coastal environments. The design of the experiments seems sound, and the manuscript is supported by adequate illustrations, though not very attractive, and supporting materials. Nonetheless, the work shows quite serious weaknesses, which need to be addressed before the manuscript can be accepted. 1. In light of the fact that, as mentioned, there is a fervent debate on whether or not to use ASV in numerical ecology studies, the work necessarily needs to be better framed. On the Fungal side, therefore in relation to the ITS marker, there are milestone works that support the validity of the use of OTUs (Kauserud 2023, Tedersoo et al. 2022), due to intraspecific variability in the ITS region, and sometimes intragenomic variability. The Authors must state much more clearly that their work refers to studies on bacterial communities, and introduce/discuss their arguments in more detail by referring to the opposite findings shown by the two works cited, both in the introduction and in the discussion. [ https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S175450482300051X?via%3Dihub ] [ https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/mec.16460 ] 2. Line 68. I agree with this statement, but the problem is also how informative the molecular reference target is. It is also true that if we extend the discussion to other microorganisms we must take into account that when reasoning in terms of identity it sometimes happens that the "intra" variability exceeds the "inter" variability and only a phylogenetic approach can help to reconsider the placement. 3. The methods section is rather superficial, in particular regarding the bioinformatic analyses that follow the taxonomic assignment: there is no mention of the tools used for the calculation of the indices and other statistics, whether included in Qiime or not . Nowadays it is mandatory to provide all the information so that a certain analysis is repeatable; in this regard, I also suggest sharing the analytical workflow and the code used on github or other code sharing platform. Furthermore, the missing information includes any method of normalization of the data or, alternatively, the justification for why it was not carried out (e.g. rarefaction or other methods). This is particularly important for understanding the indices and their ecological value/significance. 4. In materials and methods, the description of the samples needs to be improved: as a reader I should not be forced to search previous work to obtain information about the nature of the samples. I have no idea, for example, what the fpi sample is. Looking at the S1 table, it seems that some samples comes in replicate, some others not: why? There is no clearly stated sampling date (2016?). Raw sequencing data values are missing, as well as the final size of the samples after reads cleaning. Fig. 1 must be modified to report both clustering values of the OTUs. 5. Isn't the fact that alpha diversity indices drop simply a consequence inherent in the clustering of OTUs, which inevitably leads to fewer OTUs than ASVs and therefore to a reduction in index values? 6. Is the phylogenetic tree in Fig.3 the best way to represent the effects on beta diversity? The Authors could delve deeper and explain better how and how much the ordination (b-diversity) changes, and better explain how the cluster analysis varies post-ordination (ASV, 97 and 99%), e.g. Which of the 3 methods generates clusters more consistent with multivariate orderings? 7. The introduction at line 335 of the 'Valle Vecchia Oasis' is misleading, and should be done earlier. 8. I believe that reporting the results of the gamma-diversity only to the entire area and the absence of a graphical representation is limiting, and makes this part of the results unattractive. 9. The results are discussed as if they were generally applicable in metabarcoding studies, favoring the use of ASV more, but this has been shown not to apply for fungi and when using ITS as a target. The entire discussion must be reviewed with the awareness of having obtained contrasting results, highlighting the genomic causes that may have lead to these different results for Prokaryoti and Eukaryoti. For these reasons, I recommend major revision. Reviewer #2: Fasolo et. al assessed the effect of different clustering methods (OTU vs ASV) on the diversity measures for microbiome data. The authors applied an amplicon-based metagenomics approach on samples collected from different habitats along a transect of 700 m and assessed the different clustering methods and different diversity measures on them. Among the main findings that the authors portray in the manuscript is the underestimation of the ecological indicators using reference based OTU clustering, therefore favoring the use of ASVs over OTU clustering for analyzing microbiome data. Although the idea of the manuscript is not totally novel and some similar papers have been published in recent years as Chiarello et al. 2022, Jeske and Gallert 2022 and Joos et al. 2020. I like the idea to increase the knowledge on this topic and evaluated this kind of methods in many environments as possible. However, I have some comments and some concerns in the way that data was analyzed that I will proceed to describe next: - The authors describe in lines 153-155 that in their previous publication there is a detailed description of how diversity was estimated, but I would expect at least a brief description of software, packages and the utilized parameters because not everyone might be interested in your other paper. Moreover, the previous paper of the authors does not contain any description of the diversity measures portrayed in the current manuscript. - In lines 250-296 it is described a correlation analysis among the diversity indexes in relation to the different clustering methods. I find this analysis interesting, and I understand in principle what its goal is, it is not clear whether these correlations are between absolute count values and different output for each one of the indexes, which makes confusing to me its general purpose. - In lines 314-321 for the beta diversity the authors created a distance matrix using Bray-Curtis. However, this approach for assessing microbiome data is not correct due to the compositionality of microbiome data, which requires proper methods to draw conclusion at the end. This has been described in several papers as Gloor et. al 2017, Quinn et. al 2018, Susin et. al 2020 and Tsilimigras et. al 2016. Therefore, I will encourage the authors to redo that part of your analyses in the proper way as an improvement to your paper. Moreover, I will suggest too, to perform some PERMANOVA test to see if the clustering method also affects the ability of this type of statistical test to address differences in different groups. - In lines 333-340 it is described the gamma diversity results, nonetheless, these results are poorly described and not portrayed in figure or table in the manuscript. - Lines 162 and 172 the name of the software DADA2 is written in 2 different ways References to check: Chiarello M, McCauley M, Villéger S, Jackson CR. Ranking the biases: The choice of OTUs vs. ASVs in 16S rRNA amplicon data analysis has stronger effects on diversity measures than rarefaction and OTU identity threshold. PLoS ONE 17,2 (2022): e0264443. https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0264443 Jeske, J.T.; Gallert, C. Microbiome Analysis via OTU and ASV-Based Pipelines—A Comparative Interpretation of Ecological Data in WWTP Systems. Bioengineering, 9,146 (2022). https://doi.org/10.3390/ bioengineering9040146 Joos, L., Beirinckx, S., Haegeman, A. et al. Daring to be differential: metabarcoding analysis of soil and plant-related microbial communities using amplicon sequence variants and operational taxonomical units. BMC Genomics 21, 733 (2020). https://doi.org/10.1186/s12864-020-07126-4 Gloor, Gregory B., Jean M. Macklaim, Vera Pawlowsky-Glahn, and Juan J. Egozcue. 2017. “Microbiome Datasets Are Compositional: And This Is Not Optional.” Frontiers in Microbiology 8(NOV):1–6. doi: 10.3389/fmicb.2017.02224. Quinn, Thomas P., Ionas Erb, Mark F. Richardson, and Tamsyn M. Crowley. 2018. “Understanding Sequencing Data as Compositions: An Outlook and Review.” Bioinformatics 34(16):2870–78. doi: 10.1093/bioinformatics/bty175. Susin, Antoni, Yiwen Wang, Kim-Anh Lê Cao, and M. Luz Calle. 2020. “Variable Selection in Microbiome Compositional Data Analysis.” NAR Genomics and Bioinformatics 2(2):5–7. doi: 10.1093/nargab/lqaa029. Tsilimigras, Matthew C. B., and Anthony A. Fodor. 2016. “Compositional Data Analysis of the Microbiome: Fundamentals, Tools, and Challenges.” Annals of Epidemiology 26(5):330–35. doi: 10.1016/j.annepidem.2016.03.002. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. 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Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is the second revision round for the manuscript PONE-D-23-43692, entitled "ASV vs OTUs clustering: effects on alpha, beta and gamma diversities in microbiome metabarcoding studies", by Fasolo A and colleagues. The manuscript has certainly benefited from the reviewers' comments, gaining clarity and usability. The Authors have fully understood my notes and responded adequately, also implementing explanatory illustrations. I will only point out a couple of things: line 218, primer sequences in uppercase. line 231, check correspondence with supplementary information numbering. I suggest using progressive numbering for supplementary material, in order to avoid attribution errors throughout the text. Reviewer #2: Fasolo et. al have addressed properly the issues indicated during the first review, specially those regarding the details on the bioinformatics tools used to performing the research and most importantly the issue with data compositionality of microbiome dataset. The authors implemented proper tools and improved significantly the quality of the manuscript, making it to my view suitable to be publish in this journal. I have only some minor comments listed next: - Line 215 and/or in line 218 include the reference of the primers used for sequencing. - Line 454, Initial T is in bold formatting. - Line 498, remove the dot at the of the line. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No ********** |
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