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PONE-D-23-35401Identification of Late Pleistocene and Holocene fossil lizards from Hall’s Cave (Kerr County, Texas) and a primer on morphological variation in North American lizard skullsPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Ledesma, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Both of the reviewers recognised the importance of this manuscript and the amount of work that went into the paper. Both, however, also recommended major revisions prior to publication, including: inclusion of snakes in the dataset (or a clear explanation on why they are excluded); applying caution to evolutionary statements regarding acquisitions, reversals, etc.; caution with regards to referrals based on the size of a feature; revising the organisation of the figures so that the reader can move through them logically; alternative views and more thorough labelling of elements (both reviewers commented on this); some anatomical errors; and inconsistencies in the formatting of citations at the end of the manuscript. Please see the reviewers' comments and annotated versions of the manuscript for more details. Please submit your revised manuscript by Mar 01 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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[Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: N/A Reviewer #2: N/A ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: The manuscript titled "Identification of Late Pleistocene and Holocene fossil lizards from Hall’s Cave (Kerr County, Texas) and a primer on morphological variation in North American lizard skulls" is a very useful guide to non-snake lizards of the Hall's Cave locality in Texas. The authors have undergone a tremendous effort to bring exemplar images of relevant elements in comparative plates for the convenience of the reader. I think that this manuscript should be published once several suggestions are considered, and hopefully incorporated to some capacity. The first of these suggestions is as much philosophical as it is at the root of the methodology and purpose of this manuscript. Throughout the manuscript the authors comment on the benefits of understanding "lizard" diversity and how changes in this diversity could greatly affect our views on changing population dynamics, specifically in localized extirpations and emigrations. However, snakes are not mentioned at all despite being deeply nested in Squamata and therefore is a "lizard". Two dozen or so snake species have currently been identified living in or around the region today so the omission of snake diversity within the scope of lizards is puzzling and leaves a large gap in understanding of lizard diversity through recent time (Pleistocene to present). If the fossils are simply not present due to a preservational bias, this needs to be mentioned. If there are snake fossils from this locality, they should be included - or clear justification for their omission should be provided. The second suggestion is regarding the phylogenetic framework for apomorphy assessments. In the table S2, evolutionary context is given for apomorphy appearance, reversals, independent acquisitions, etc. If these evolutionary claims are based off the phylogeny you have provided, that should be explicitly stated. This, however, comes with the caveat that these statements could be very different when using a different tree topology (e.g., Simoes et al., 2018). The phylogeny provided also does not include snakes, which are deeply nested in the Squamate clade. I recommend removing evolutionary statements such as number of aquisitions and/or losses, or reversals. These do not matter for diagnosing elements to a group using apomorphy based assessments and only serves to confuse the associations. The figures are beautiful and specimens are clearly imaged. However, labels are only provided on one figure and do not always reflect the apomorphic states you are trying to discuss. I think it would be beneficial to include labels on other figures, especially those of significant importance for diagnosing an element to one group or another. With the amount of jumping around between figures, this would save from having to also go back to the only two labeled figures and S2 all the time. To the same point, showing multiple aspects of the elements would be a huge benefit as well. There were many times I would have made a more precise, or different general referral based on the images you have provided (e.g., Ophisaurus and fossil anguine elements). Based on the single aspect and general morphology I found a number of elements near spot on for Ophisaurus, but the same was not said in the description. I think showing multiple aspects as well as labelling the apomorphic states would help alleviate false identifications made by a reader's limited view. The descriptions are done very well! Some concluding sentences in description paragraphs could be more specific to avoid ambiguity. Additionally, referral based on size of a feature (e.g., parietal horns in phrynosomatids) seem poor features to use for genus or species referrals without a relative statement or quantification of these differences. As presented I am unconvinced of some of the more specific referrals within the phrynosomatids and additional data with provided measurements or relative statemens that can be clearly demonstrated would greatly improve the support for these referrals. Addressing the suggestions above will greatly improve the quality and utility of this manuscript. I encourage the authors to consider them and make efforts to incorporate any and all of them that they have the capacity to do so. I understand there may be difficulties in addressing them all, but the effort to do so will undoubtedly reflect well on the next draft! Reviewer #2: I was very excited to see this study as it represents an important improvement in the methodology of assessing the systematic identification and taxonomy of Pleistocene/Holocene lizards represented by isolated elements. To see a rigorous representation of the methods long championed by Dr. Chris Bell was rewarding to read. That said, this paper need substantial improvements to be ready for publication. I want to organize my observations and concerns as follows: 1. Organization of figures—the order and reference to the figures in the manuscript is very confusing. The reader is forced to move back-and-forth amongst several figures rather than moving through them in a more logical, linear fashion. I found this to be very frustrating and often needed to set the manuscript aside out of this frustration. I believe most readers will choose to not spend the time and effort to decode this lack of organization and will therefore not get the benefits of the method and analysis that could otherwise be available. I have noted this—to the point of ad nauseum (for which I do not apologize, but I do understand that it may as equally as frustrating to the authors)—throughout the manuscript. 2. Illustrated support of the methodology—The authors are presenting what they claim is an improved methodology of identifying fossil lizard taxa (why no snakes, which are just snake-lizards?) and that this method is based on the rigorous use of apomorphy-based comparisons with known extant taxa (interesting…and a bit disappointing that no attempt was made to compare to other fossil specimens from other fossil faunas). As such I was expecting an equally robust demonstration of the anatomy through figures and labelling of features. Instead, I was frustrated by the regular lack of alternative views of elements to support described features (noted often in my notes in the text). Additionally, as good as Figures 1–3 are as reference figures with comprehensive labeling of features, there are some disappointing omissions of regularly cited features (nuchal fossae, pterygoid lappet) and alternate views of elements with labeled features such as any ventral features of the frontal or parietal, lateral views of the dentary and maxilla. Additionally, the figures of fossils and representative comparative taxa (more on these below) should be labeled whenever a feature not in the Figs 1–3 reference figures are used (e.g., the “splenial spine of the dentary”). The figures of specimens represent the core data that we publish as paleontologists and if we argue for our hypotheses based on our data, then we must properly and completely illustrate that data. In the age of electronic publications, we should be able to accommodate robust and complete figures. 3. Reference/comparative anatomy images—At the risk of having egg on my face regarding the previous sentence I want to discuss what at times felt like the overuse of comparative figures. While useful and supportive of the apomorphic comparative identifications (what we used to just call comparative anatomy although here without—understandably—the differential aspect of a differential diagnosis), the comparative images greatly lengthen the manuscript. If the addition of these figures is considered essential to the methodology (and I would agree that they are) I wonder if there is a better balance? Fewer elements (though I appreciate the comprehensive nature of the images and I do believe they add to the overall value of the manuscript as an osteological resource)? Move them to the SI (though that brings back the concern of the flow of images relative to the references in the text)? In short, I bring this up based on my editorial concerns, but I do feel that these images are important and add value to the manuscript beyond the methodology and updating of the fauna. 4. Anatomy errors—Thankfully these are few and the authors have done a very good job in managing the descriptions of complex anatomy. However, the superior alveolar foramen of the maxilla CANNOT be medial to the palatine process as that is the most medial feature of the maxilla. The foramen is lateral to the palatine process and the palatine is medial to the palatine process. The maxilla (derivative 1a of arch 1) conducts the maxillary neurvascular bundle consisting of the V2 nerve, maxillary artery, and maxillary vein(s). This system of passages and contents is knows as the superior alveolar system and all reference to openings (posterior superior alveolar foramen lateral to the palatine process, anterior superior alveolar foramen typically just posterior the premaxillary process, nutrient foramina along the lateral surface) all must be identified specifically and accurately. The same is true for the distribution in the dentary/mandible. The V3 nerve and mandibular/inferior alveolar AV are the equivalent distribution systems of derivative 1b of arch 1. As such all identification must be specific and accurate as part of the inferior alveolar system. 5. Anatomical absences—I am curious as to why no vertebrae or limb elements were described or figured. Is that to be another project? Additionally, as mentioned above, there must have been substantial numbers of snake vertebrae and at least some snake cranial elements. Where are they in a paper on squamates? 6. Citations at end of manuscript—In the interest of time, I did not fully check all the references, but I did note that the authors did not use a single formatting strategy for all citations at the end of the manuscript and I encourage them to follow the PlosOne formatting directions for citations. This manuscript clearly represents an admirable, if not herculean, amount of work and I very much hope to see it come to publication as I believe that—when properly revised—it will represent a new and much needed standard for managing Pleistocene/Holocene fossils. This return to comparative anatomy reminds us that at the core of our science is the morphology of our specimens and that regardless of whatever statistical models or systematic algorithms come and go, the anatomy of the specimens will always be the data at the foundation of what we learn. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). 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PONE-D-23-35401R1Identification of Late Pleistocene and Holocene fossil lizards from Hall’s Cave (Kerr County, Texas) and a primer on morphological variation in North American lizard skullsPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Ledesma, Thank you for submitting a revised version of your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After being reviewed a second time, we feel this article is nearly ready for publication with the addition of a few very minor revisions. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Both original reviewers agreed to review the revised version of the manuscript and both said it was greatly improved over the original version. Moreover, both reviewers recognised the tremendous amount of work involved in this paper and acknowledged it will be a significant contribution to the field. One reviewer raised a few very minor points they would like to see addressed, please see Reviewer 1's comments below. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jul 26 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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If you have cited papers that have been retracted, please include the rationale for doing so in the manuscript text, or remove these references and replace them with relevant current references. Any changes to the reference list should be mentioned in the rebuttal letter that accompanies your revised manuscript. If you need to cite a retracted article, indicate the article’s retracted status in the References list and also include a citation and full reference for the retraction notice. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: (No Response) Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: N/A Reviewer #2: N/A ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: The authors have significantly improved the readability and flow of the manuscript. It follows a far more logical pattern and is easier to use the figures for comparison to the relevant text. Some previous reviewer comments were circumvented for the sake of time and brevity, but have been addressed given more relative statements that are clearer and easier to conceptualize for the reader (e.g., squamosal horns in phrynosomatids). I see the paper as ready to publish with a few additional additions for clarity and specificity. The authors are using cladistic methods while trying to maintain traditional groupings (i.e., squamate apomorphies with a paraphyletic "lizard" concept, distinct from snakes). I see issues with this method as apomorphies are determined from cladistic groupings, and due to snakes being deeply nested within squamates, the classical definition of "lizards" and snakes becomes problematic. I would like to see further explanation of how this is being addressed. The phylogeny being presented excludes snakes, but is stated to be derived from a study that includes all squamates. The apomorphies thus constructed from the provided phylogeny are somewhat artificial without the consideration of potential character overlap with snakes. This can be further exemplified when assessing apomorphies of closely related clades, such as anguids that may share apomorphic states with snakes. Expansion in the methods of how the authors are accounting for this, or mention of the potential shortcomings of their methods in light of snakes deeply nested position within squamates should be included. Additionally, when features are mentioned in the text that are key to identifying fossils to a living clade, those features should be labelled in one or more of the figures. I noticed several features such as the palatal shelf of the premaxilla, and the pterygoid facet of the quadrate were not labelled in any figure, to name a few. Review of key features and addition of appropriate labels should be done as well. With these suggestions addressed, I think the manuscript will be ready for publication! It is a wonderful addition to squamate literature resources and will no doubt be highly cited. The authors have done a tremendous amount of work! Mark Powers Reviewer #2: While I still feel that the image order is a bit confusing, the manuscript overall is in very good shape and ready for publication. I appreciate the corrections to the anatomical errors. Hopefully this paper will set a new standard for comparative anatomy to be applied rigorously to Pleistocene and sub-fossil faunas. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: Yes: Mark Powers Reviewer #2: Yes: Randall Nydam ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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