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PONE-D-24-08235No evidence for population-level benefits of polyandry in sharks and raysPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Gayford, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. It was extremely difficult to find reviewers for this manuscript. Finally I received very constructive comments. The paper needs major revision but has potential to be accepted after carefuly consideration of the reviewers concerns. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jul 26 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Additional Editor Comments: The authors have compiled an interesting study on the role of polyandry in sharks and rays. I agree with both reviewers that the study is of value but has also significant limitations. Both reviewers make constructive comments and recommendations for revision. I am optimistic that after point-by-point review and appropriate revision of the manuscript, it will be a useful reference and acceptable for publication. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: The authors present an MS where they evaluated the possible benefits of polyandry at the population level in elasmobranchs. In general, it is an interesting article, however, currently, there is a consensus that a mating system is not necessarily better than others and the costs and benefits they offer are circumstantial. I mentioned this because the authors seem to part from this idea. I recommend reading some articles on this matter: Karl 2008 (DOI 10.1111/j.1365-294X.2008.03902.x), Lotterhos 2011 (DOI 10.1111/j.1558-5646.2011.01249.x), and Stephens & Sutherland 2000 (Chapter 9 in the book Vertebrate Mating Systems). I think that the methodology to abord this idea is adequate, in this sense, the article could give more emphasis to the multi-model approach they use to put this idea to test. What I do consider worth exploring in the discussion in more depth is how the benefits of polyandry and monogamy together can positively influence populations. To help the authors, I will try to give comments throughout the document in such a way that it can be useful to improve the MS. Abstract Lines 27-28. In this sentence, authors should specify this in the elasmobranch group, I suppose that’s what they mean. Line 30. This is plural, those are evidence to each effect. Lines 32-35. This sentence is so complex, that it has a justification and objective, this became too confusing for an abstract. I suggest restructuring in two sentences. Lines 37-41. I suggest restructuring this sentence because it sounds contradictory to the objective in the abstract. Also, it sounds a little catastrophic when you said We fail! I recommend this…. Results showed that both genetic monogamy and polyandry have evolved multiple times independently….and in biological conditions. Lines 39-41 and 42-43. I think that this idea has been discussed in some articles. Karl in 2008 debated this idea and he demonstrated that monogamy is not always a maladaptive strategy. For its part, Lotterhos 2011 also refuted this idea with a model, which showed that any adverse effect derived from polyandry is attenuated by long generation times. Kvarnemo's 2018 observations about monogamy suggest that this cannot be a maladaptive strategy since it is present in many groups, even if its benefits are not in sight. Introduction Line 56. “rampant polyandry” how can I interpret it? Line 62. Add in parentheses, revised in 10. Because it is a single cite of information in this sentence and it is controversial. Line 65. I have a conflict with these cites (10-11). Although one of them is proposed for the animal kingdom, in general, it is necessary to think about the peculiarities of the elasmobranch group. My main conflict is in the citation of Simmons 2001 since he bases his arguments on insects. Please, you need to consider this for vertebrates and, particularly in elasmobranchs. Line 85. What do you mean by “unwanted mating attempts”? Lines 91-94. You need to cite this sentence. Lines 101-103. This sentence reflects that there are many mating systems and not just polyandry and monogamy, what would those be? The authors assume that readers understand the limitations of mating system studies in elasmobranchs, it seems to me not necessarily. By this, I mean that polygyny is very feasible in this group, although it is extremely difficult to verify. Methodology Lines 120-121. I agree that there is no best form to get a value of MP frequency for a species, however, it cannot reflect the actual mating system in species that have geographical variations, or seasonal variation. Also, the sample size is an important factor influencing the MP frequency in different studies for the same species, along with the resolution power offered by the different molecular tools employed. I suggest adding this in the limitations section, or better, stating those understandable limitations right after the methods. Lines 123-125. Assuming this, authors need to discuss it in species with geographical variation in the MP. Lines 131-133. I invite to authors to read the articles before mentioned. I consider that it is not reflected in the introduction. Results Table 2. This table is unnecessary. I suggest sending it to supplementary materials and citing it in this part. Lines 187-189. I’m not familiar with the analysis, however, looking at the tree, I think the analyses give a lot of weight to the MP value. I’m concerned that in some cases, such as M. californicus, the sample size is too low to consider real genetic monogamy, since a particularity of this work is possibly collecting small females with a low probability of observing MP. In this case, It can be an effect of the sample size. Discussion Lines 206-209. These ideas should be expressed in the abstract and of course in the introduction. Lines 220-222. I’m not sure if this is correct according to the abstract of Dibattista et al. 2008. In this abstract, they said…” We find that offspring from polyandrous litters did not have a greater genetic diversity or greater survival than did the offspring of monandrous litters”. This sentence is contrary evidence. Lines 225-228. This idea is correct and is the best of all paper. This idea has been discussed. I suggest to the authors redirect the justification of their article considering their methodology. Lines 239-241. Using the average MP in a species cannot reflect the real mating system. Lines 246-248. Please, read to Stephens & Sutherland 2000, they had already discussed it and explained the Allee effect in this context. Lines 248-251. I do not agree. Since the model was not significant, I think the recurrent MP is not necessarily one adaptive peak. In this sense, this sentence is contradictory to the last sentence. Also, we need to consider that there are few studies to evaluate the mating system in the Elasmobranchii clade, thus this apparently adaptive peak can be skewed due to limited publications. Limitations Lines 264-266. Excellent! Authors need to moderate some previous sentences according to this section. Conclusions Lines 282-283. I think this is not demonstrated with your results. Reviewer #2: The potential link between multiple paternity, sexual selection and population viability is an important and general one, and I agree with the authors that this taxonomic group is a potentially useful model system in which to study it. That being said, I found it a little difficult to know what to conclude from this study. In principle I think it is important that negative findings are published, but I do have concerns as to whether the study really had sufficient power to test the hypothesis in question. To be fair to the authors, they are quite open about the limitations of the dataset in their discussion, so on balance I think I would be in favour, but first would like to see several more minor points addressed: Line 117: The data are presented as coming form the existing literature, but ca. 80% come from a single source. For that reason, I think it would be appropriate to present already in the Introduction the potential overlaps and novel aspects relative to this previous study. 143: It’s unclear to me why conservation status was coded quantitatively, rather than adopt a different analysis approach for this variable? Linear regression doesn’t feel like the most appropriate approach here. 173-177: Given all of these “relationships” are non-significant, I don’t think it is very meaningful to discuss which slopes are positive and which are negative; all you can reliably conclude is that none could be distinguished from zero. 200: on the face of it, purging would tend to reduce genetic diversity rather than increasing it - maybe take a bit more space to explain this point? 219: I understand you wished to use these investigated variables as proxies for extinction risk, but given you only look at extant species in this analysis I think this might be slightly overstated here. 244: the argument that both very high and very low polyandry evolves frequently in this group seems to support the approach of Lamarca et al.? I do think there is a real risk that using only one estimate of MP per species gives a falsely precise impression, since this presumably varies a lot from population to population. To be fair, this point is acknowledged later in the discussion, but is there scope to quantify this to give an idea about the scale of the problem? for how many species did you average across multiple populations? Table 3: please provide per analysis sample sizes, rather than just saying these varied. I also saw no sign that you accounted for multiple hypothesis testing here - these are essentially 9 different tests of the same underlying hypothesis, so there ought to be some control of the global false positive rate. Given all 9 are non-significant this doesn’t really matter in practice, but in principle it’s an issue that could at least be acknowledged. A few small typos/errors to correct: 36: through not though 56: for me rampant has potentially negative connotations, consider replacing with something more neutral (widespread?) 88: cost *of* mating 113: consequently 118: reference formatting 130: reference formatting 153: series *of* 259: missing word? ********** 6. 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PONE-D-24-08235R1No evidence for population-level benefits of polyandry in sharks and raysPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Gayford, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. The revision of this paper has been a long journey. At this point the manuscript is almost appropriately revised and will not go back into re-review. However the reviewer mentions a few minor changes which I like to ask the authors to consider and implement. The paper will then be acceptable. Please submit your revised manuscript by Aug 17 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #1: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I consider that the authors aboarded all my comments and questions, especially in the interpretation of results. I agree with almost all editions that they made in the manuscript. However, I have some comments that I would like to see in the paper. In this sense, I suggest another round of revision. Abstract Lines 27-28. Please specify if this idea is for the elasmobranch clade or animal kingdom. Lines 37-40. I feel that the authors handle this idea a lot, but the topic is not delved into in the discussion, they leave everything to the reader's imagination. In this sense, I have a comment on the discussion. Lines 43-44. I insist that this idea is no longer under discussion currently, even in elasmobranchs. Also, it doesn't delve into it, I suggest eliminating it. Discussion Lines 239-242. I suggest exploring this idea a little further in the discussion, I can imagine what they are referring to, but I think it would be better to read it. Since the article is titled "No evidence for population-level benefits of polyandry in sharks and rays" I hope to see some examples in this regard to understand much better how the cancellation of both characteristics (benefits and costs) of the mating system does not necessarily impact the risk of extinction of a species. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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PONE-D-24-08235R2No evidence for population-level benefits of polyandry in sharks and raysPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Gayford, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. I am happy to see that the paper has been appropriately revised. One reviewer expresses minor concerns which I like to see addressed before the paper can be accepted for publication. Please submit your revised manuscript by Aug 23 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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