Peer Review History
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PONE-D-23-43274Prevalence of movement asymmetries in high-performing horses perceived as free from lameness by the owner and riders’ perception of horse sidednessPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Zetterberg, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. You will see that both reviewers have questions about the rider survey and associated delays. Please address these concerns in particular. Please submit your revised manuscript by May 02 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: I Don't Know ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. 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(Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: It was a pleasure to read a well-written manuscript describing a well-designed study. However, I would strongly encourage you to remove the ‘handedness data’ that were not acquired at the time of gait analysis. I ask clients questions on a daily basis about handedness – they struggle to remember left and right, even having ridden the horse the previous day. So even data collected at the time of examination have doubts about accuracy. Data collected at a time remote from the gait assessment cannot be considered to be accurate, particularly for riders who are riding several horses a day. I would also strongly recommend including a statement in the limitations of the study about the potential unreliable nature of contemporaneous rider recall. Title – Are you differentiating between owners and riders – please clarify here & in the manuscript. Line 79 We do not know that lameness is present in high performing equine athletes from a variety of published studies. And we also know that judges miss lameness – also documented previously. Horse inspections are only in hand in straight lines therefore these so-called veterinary inspections, correctly called horse inspections, can miss lameness. Moreover, the decision is made by the Ground Jury, not the attending veterinarian, and the criterion is ‘fit to compete’ not the absence of lameness. The veterinarian merely supplies advise to the Ground Jury when requested to do so. And if you ever watch the horse inspection (‘trot up’) at an international showjumping competition you will realise that is a token inspection, with the majority of horses being presented very badly, making it virtually impossible to make an accurate assessment. Please amend the text accordingly. Ridden exercise - more likely to show lameness – there are several studies that have shown that the absence of lameness in straight lines does not preclude lameness either on the lunge or when ridden. It must also be borne in mind that the absence of measurable asymmetry does not preclude lameness when present bilaterally. If you investigate horses presented for evaluation of the reason for poor performance this is a not uncommon scenario which needs to be recognised. Please amend the text accordingly. Line 110 & elsewhere lungeing (not lunging – this word is commonly not spelt correctly – the ‘g’ is soft in pronunciation because of the ‘e’) Line183 both in straight lines and on the lunge Line 200 '12% within a year and 8% one year after the gait analysis' Those responses should probably not be included – see above. Line 240 as asymmetric Tables 2 & 3 I suggest it would make more biological sense if all results were presented to no more than 1 decimal place Table 5 Do not present p-values to more than 2 decimal places Stride duration p-value - no more than 2 decimal places Please mention * in legend Lines 343- 345 – I would suggest that you include mention of the fact that a full clinical examination should include ridden exercise and should also include the use of a pain-analysis tool, such as the Ridden Horse Pain Ethogram. As a clinician you can only determine the influence of a gait variant on overall performance if you evaluate the horse doing what it is supposed to do. For example, a Prix St George dressage horse may be completely comfortable in working trot, but may struggle to perform tempi changes because of underlying discomfort associated with the measured gait asymmetry. On the other hand if the asymmetry is not associated with pain the horse may be able to perform all movements easily. The observations in your study are really important to be aware of in pre-purchase examinations – another reason why it is important to discuss the importance of ridden exercise and evaluation of behaviour potentially reflecting discomfort. Line 346 ‘High-performing horses are regularly assessed for lameness by veterinarians at competitions’ – see previous comments about the role of veterinarians in the disciplines of dressage, showjumping and eventing. It is only in endurance riding that the veterinarians make decisions. Please amend the text accordingly. Line 352 please make sure that this refers to experimentally induced lameness Line 368 '…….indicating that the vertical asymmetries recorded did not impair their performance' - You cannot conclude that - if the horses did have pain-induced asymmetry their performance may be improved by removal of this. Diagnosis and appropriate treatment usually results in better performance - I see this regularly! It has also been demonstrated that horses with higher Ridden Horse Pain Ethogram scores perform less well at a variety of levels and in a variety of disciplines than horses with no detectable lameness and low ethogram scores. Line 372 A good rider may conceal lameness by continuously making subtle adjustments or accentuate lameness by asking a horse to work harder A limitation of the study is that horses were not assessed ridden. Line 405 among riders (between 2, among >2) Line 422 Please see previous comments about ridden assessment and the use of pain recognition tools, e.g., the RHpE Reviewer #2: I think this is a valuable and really interesting line of enquiry. I have only minor comments and a suggestion re the discussion as follows: Line 51: Please consider referring to a previous definition of lameness within the introduction. If the reader interprets 'lameness' as 'movement asymmetry' for example, line 51 where you say "it is difficult to exclude lameness as a cause of movement asymmetries in these horses" would not make sense. As I read the introduction, I had to assume your definition of lameness, was some movement abnormality resulting from pain (?). Or replace the word 'lameness' with 'pathology?' in line 51? Line 81: should therefore 'be more likely to be noticed' Line 91: 3 star post the classification change in 2019? Line 97: Could the questionnaire on horse history be provided? Line 110: Re the lunge condition - 10 m diameter? Was this standardised? Line 134: Consider stating here that the aim was 25 or 20 strides following removal of strides that couldn't be used. Later, when we read how the data were 'cleaned' it led me to wonder how many useable strides were left, until I realised that 25/20 was the aim POST removal of outliers and anomalous strides. Line 166 - 170: Why is HDmin and HDmax/2 but not PDmin and max? Line 180: should it not read 'Ime4' not Imer? Line 221: I think having 20% of riders not complete the questionnaire on day of testing is a limitation that should be pointed out. I would be interested to know if removing these riders changed the outcome of the stats. Table 2: Minor detail but several results are reported to 1 decimal place rather than 2 (the majority). In fact I would query whether you can report to 1/100th of a mm? Line 342: why are the 6 and 12 in square brackets? Line 360: should read 'highlights' not highlight. Discussion - Whilst I appreciate you must present the data and provide impartial discussion, I was not clear whether you were suggesting that a large number of competition horses are actually lame, or that we need to rethink these thresholds, or that we don't yet know? If it is that we don't yet know, perhaps a more explicit statement could be added that addresses how this current work fits in to the current debate about what is a normal level of asymmetry? I think what should also be acknowledged is that the horses were not tested in a ridden situation and therefore you don't know if the asymmetry seen in the unloaded condition has any relationship to asymmetries that might occur in the ridden (and warmed up) condition. Perhaps a question too far for the questionnaire (!) but it would have been interesting to know if riders perceive sidedness pre AND post warm up - perhaps part of warm up for the individual is to achieve symmetry. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. 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PONE-D-23-43274R1Prevalence of movement asymmetries in high-performing riding horses perceived as free from lameness and riders’ perception of horse sidednessPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Zetterberg, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jul 14 2024 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: The revised version of this paper presents a more balanced picture of the study results and limitations of the study. I would suggest that it needs to be put into a broader perspective of what has been reported from other countries. I still think that there are some additional points which need addressing. I also think that the authors need to be rather more transparent. This is a worrying situation with such a high percentage of potentially lame horses. The group, along with other groups, have rightfully been championing the use of objective gait evaluation. But this study highlights that either our so-called cut off points for differentiating lameness and non-lame horses are highly inaccurate, or that there is a high percentage of actively competing sports horses that are lame. This needs to be addressed in a straightforward manner in my opinion. In saying that in my clinical experience there is a subset of competition horses that have low grade lameness (for which we have a diagnosis) and with careful management stay the same year in year out. There is another subset with a similar low-grade lameness (for which we have a diagnosis) in which unquestionably the horse’s performance is compromised (we know from analysis of competition results and, when they have been educated, the riders become aware of changes in ‘rideability’ – responsiveness to cues, which they might have previously ignored [ignorance is bliss]); then there is a third subset that if you evaluate them on one day they will be mildly lame but if you follow them over time the lameness gets slowly worse. Additional specific points to be addressed: Line 33 No clear association was found between rider-perceived sidedness and the vertical movement asymmetry values, indicating that laterality is so far not a determinant for vertical movement asymmetry. How can you conclude laterality is not a is not a determinant of vertical movement asymmetry based on no clear association between rider perceived sidedness and movement asymmetry measurements? And the mixture of the terms laterality and sidededness creates confusion. Line 35 - diagnostic anaesthesia is the way with reasonable certainty to determine if there is pain causing asymmetrical movement. Line 83-86 This sentence is not grammatically correct. Please rephrase. Moreover it has been shown that trainers are rather poor at recognising lameness, even with training – as you cite in ref 5. Line 95 There are 2 publications which have used objective gait analysis in addition to those in which subjective observations have been made. It is therefore not reasonable to say 'unknown'. Contino, E.; Daglish, J.; Kawcak, C. The prevalence of lameness in FEI athletes and its correlation to performance. Proc. Am. Assoc. Eq. Pract. 2023, 69, 369-370. Scheidegger, M.D.; Gerber, V.; Dolf, G.; Burger, D.; Flammer, A.; Ramseyer, A. Quantitative Gait Analysis before and after a Cross-country Test in a Population of Elite Eventing Horses. J. Equine Vet. Sci. 2022, 117, 104077 Line 123 presumably this is 10m diameter. Please add Line 137 I realise that this may standard practice, but it (the outliers) could be a genuine biological observation reflecting varying discomfort - in my clinical experience it is not uncommon to see horses that very in the severity of lameness shown from stride to stride - which is why it is important to watch a horse for long enough so that you are aware of any spontaneous fluctuations in gait. I think this merits mention in the Discussion. Line 138- 140 This is obviously required! Line 229 varied among horses Line 232 soft surface Line 238 Total population dressage n=47, 38.2%; SJ n=61, 49.6%; E n=15, 12.2% Responders (n=71) - much higher % of event (n=15) riders (100%), & possibly dressage (n=26) riders versus SJ (n=30) - how might that have influenced the overall results? I still question the whole value of inclusion of data regarding sidedness – which relies on rider memory – accurate description by a rider competing the questionnaire for > 1 horse - reliance on rider perceptions – the fact that so-called sidedness could be related to a variety of factors – the presence of primary equine pain, the effect of the tack fit (on both horse & rider), the effect of rider position and force distribution, variability in rider skill level (yes even at these levels of competition), the variance in ability of rider’s to describe what they have just felt (I question riders on a daily basis), and what riders assume is normal (which may not be normal)! Line 365 While recognising that there are variations among people's ability to detect and grade lameness to put your results into more perspective I think that you should also cite other studies that have evaluated horses subjectively that were considered by riders to be working comfortably. Line 384 veterinarians Line 397 measurements Line 453 VERY common in my experience! One of very many myths perpetuated in the equestrian world. Line 449- 451 good point Line 452 - particularly for those riders who filled in a questionnaire for > 1 horse It might have been helpful to have had additional questions in the questionnaire - e.g., do you have symmetrical rein (or does the horse lean on one rein); does the horse feel similar in rising trot on the left and right diagonals; does the horse put you on one diagonal preferentially; if you ride on the correct diagonal in rising trot, does the horse feel different on the left and right reins? Line 475 please be consistent in the use of terminology - if you mean sidedness then say that rather than introducing laterality which creates confusion. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). 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