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In this paper, the authors deal with a timely question in functional ecology related to the choice of functional traits to calculate functional diversity indices. Indeed, given the development of trait measurements in ecology, trait-based approaches are more and more common to go behind taxonomic diversity. A key aspect of these approaches is the sensitivity of functional diversity indices to the choice of functional traits (e.g. number and correlation). In this paper, the authors propose to test the sensitivity of 8 functional diversity indices on real community of plants. Thus, they test the behavior of functional diversity indices to the number of functional traits used to describe the community. In addition they also test how the traits correlation influence the FD indices. They found that some indices decrease when the number of traits increased, while other increase and some are not changing. They also found that the trait-trait correlation have no significant influence of the functional indices. The more I read the paper the more I had some problems to understand the real aim of this paper. When the authors claim L. 75 "Therefore, functional diversity could differ among replicate plots or sites simply because of the number or types of traits used to calculate the metric without any underlying ecological basis." and L. 407: "Some metrics may be unreliable measures for comparing functional diversity among communities since comparisons are dependent upon the number of traits used to calculate them." OK, I agree, but does people really compared FD of communities calculated on different number of traits ? I would not do it in any case, whatever the metrics give similar or different values. It is just like comparing apple and pear. As a general comment, I would say that the authors pointed out a real question in their introduction, but the analyses and interpretations are not sufficient to answer the question. The main problem here is the lack of analyses on the type of traits, only the number is taking into consideration. L.104 "The field lacks clear guidelines for researchers to follow when choosing the number and types of traits to include when calculating functional diversity metrics." Although this statement is not completely true, this study do not help to solve it. There is no conclusion on which traits and how many traits is required. So far, this study gives hint about sensitivity of indices on trait number. Moreover, there is no clear explanation about ecological processes behind, since analyses performed here pointed out mathematical properties of the different indices to trait number. About the sensitivity of FD to trait number: This is a very exiting question ! However, I am not sure I found a satisfying answer in this paper, or at least given the analyses the authors performed here. The fact that FD indices varies with the number of traits is not surprising but more importantly, I do not know how to interpret it! The authors seem to interpret it as a weak point of the method since they focus on FDis (1st paragraph of discussion), which do not vary with the number of traits. They justify it by the fact that : "This suggests that FDis provides reliable values across different communities and sets of traits, making it a potentially valuable tool for assessing patterns of functional diversity across communities and ecosystems." This is not true. For me, what is important is the ranking of communities across trait number. The question of community ranking is the key aspect here. Indeed, more than the values itself, most of the study in community ecology are based of the relationship of FD indices between communities. I would like to see this part more developed. Moreover, FD indices, at least some of them, are highly influenced by the species richness. Most of community ecologist working of FD used null models where they compared the observed values to expected values. This would be more interesting to analysis and interpret, because SES will be comparable between community irrespective of their species richness, but also between number of traits with clear null hypothesis that a useful SES values of a FD index should be stable. From a methodological point of view, I am not sure whether the FD indices are calculated directly using traits or after PC(o)A. L. 280, the authors claim that they "used dimensionally reduction where necessary". but later in the paragraph, they said L.291 they "calculated each metric using all possible combination of two traits up to all possible combinations of the maximum number of traits". There is also no information on whether traits are center/scale before calculated FD indices. I got a bit lost here, or try to explain better what you want to do. This might have strong implications, since if not scaled, traits might have different weight. If the authors used traits to calculate indices; I disagree with their discussion. L. 407, they said that some FD indices are not suitable because the ranking changes given the number of traits. and later, L.415: "This is particularly concerning given the often arbitrary nature of selecting the number of traits used in a study.". This is not surprising but instead, it can be useful, meaning that some traits (or combination) add some information. Otherwise why not using only body size... Moreover there is no explanation why such differences happened. Does some specific type of traits bring new information and change the patterns ? Here, and more generally in the discussion, there is a lack of ecological explanations of the results. A great advantage of working on real community would be to correlate outputs of indices (mathematics) to ecological process or at least to the different type of traits/species. In addition, when we have several traits, a common strategy is to make a PCA/PCoA, then it would have been wise to test if the number of traits changes the results, not on the raw data but on the FD indices calculated after using a PCoA. FD indices would be calculated on a PCoA with same number of dimension. Such approach would be more relevant. About the trait-trait analysis, the effect of traits correlation was calculated only with 4 traits (L.295), but I am a bit surprising of this choice. Please justify it. All this lack of details (including my previous remarks) make that the trait-trait analyses have weak support so far. Finally, there is no mention of the trait selection. The choice of the traits and its selection seems to be randomized (e.g., L; 294: "10 different traits so there are 45 2-trait calculations, 120 3-trait calculations[...]). Do it mean that only the number but not the identity matter? And should we expect similar results if the type of traits is different ? For instance the authors L. 402 explain differences with other studies by the number of traits, but in any case we have information of the type of traits used. # Minor comments L. 46. Do you have example of such studies ? This is quite dangerous approach L. 75. reference is needed L. 75. "Therefore, functional diversity could differ among replicate plots or sites simply because of the number or types of traits used to calculate the metric without any underlying ecological basis." But if the trait differs, its means that the ecological processes also differ. here the problem is not about metrics, but more about what we mean by "functional diversity". In another way, it is NOT because we got similar result with different set of traits, that the metric is better (or true). L. 81. "it is important to determine the conditions under which they reflect ecological processes as opposed to mathematical patterns." I agree, but this aspect is not solve in this paper. for that a analysis on the trait type and relevance with ecological processes is needed not on the metrics. Metrics is just a way to calculate but it will in any case represent ecological processes. L. 80. "As use of multi-trait functional diversity increases, it is important to determine the conditions under which they reflect ecological processes as opposed to mathematical patterns." OK, but this is not what the authors are doing here. L. 122. replace value by metrics L. 137: To refine objective of the paper I suggest to clarify the objective 1 (L. 137) the term "vary" need to be better explained. Moreover, I do not understand well this objective since the expectations are mathematical properties of the indices. Maybe can be wise to adapt them to the specific trait/species of the grassland? L. 228/ Are the traits scaled/centered? L. 280/ What means "where necessary"? L. 318: "Adequate" avoid such vague vocabulary. L. 328: How many communities have only one species ? L. 331: this sentence is not clear L. 332: "some": which? L. 336: "relationships of communities to each other" rephrase it L. 332: The reference to null model is not clear here. Do you mean that the relationship is not significantly different that expected under null model? L. 362: I did not understand the goal of this analysis here. it has not been mention in introduction, and barely in method. L. 376. The authors focused on 1 index, but it is not explain why here. L. 402. Here a discussion about the type of trait is also needed. L. 407. I do not agree. Here some analyses of SES are required to conclude L. 412. Can you provide some explanation why such discrepancies of FEve? Does it come from mathematical issues or ecological process? L. 450: I do not agree about this distinction between continuous/categorical data. Continuous are more common and available on a larger range of species. Moreover filling gap procedure are also well-know and work quite well ! Instead I would expect a real discussion on why indices are working on both type of distance. Fig: in some cases, not all communities are visible, maybe you can use thinner lines and/or transparency Please check your references, some are in different style. Sincerely, Reviewer #2: I reviewed the manuscript ‘The impact of trait number and correlation on functional diversity metrics in real-world ecosystems’ submitted for publication in PLOS One. The authors use vegetation data from natural and experimental communities to explore how trait number and correlation impact on various functional diversity metrics. The Introduction is extremely well written and clearly explains the importance of this study. The Discussion is also great and provides useful guidelines for researchers analysing functional diversity. Since the paper is rather methodological I found that the Methods and Results part could benefit with some further explanations and clarifications to further enhance the clarity and readability of the study. Please see my suggestions below: Methods: Line 161 – it’s a little difficult to follow how many sites and grasslands there were (e.g. in line 163 could be understood that each grassland had a site with natural and a site with planted community), maybe start the site description with the fact that there were two sampling sites and then mention how many communities and whether natural or planted were sampled in each site Lines 165, 173 – add approximate coordinates for the sites Line 182 – add which year Line 185 –unclear if the 48 plots were in total for four communities, or were there 48x4 plots? explain somewhere how the two communities were located and how they differed from each other Line 205 – the text in line 202 gives impression that data was collected only in 2018, so it reads a little strange here that the 2018 was selected Line 249 – remove one ‘then’ from the sentence Line 258 – missing part of the formula Line 266 – this is also mentioned in lines 276-277, maybe not needed here Line 305 – unclear here how the models were run for each community if the min/max/mean trait correlations were also calculated for each community (so there’s a single value of explanatory variable) Results Lines 317-329 – this would fit better in the methods, some of this information is already mentioned earlier in the text Line 332 – if i understand correctly then only null model shows no relationship? if that’s the case then use ‘i.e.’ instead of ‘e.g.’ Line 335 – are these results shown somewhere? add reference to figure Line 336 – the part ‘relationships of communities to each other’ is unclear, maybe just use the phrasing that is currently in the parentheses (and maybe use ‘from low to high functional diversity metric values’ for clarity) Line 344 – is this correct ‘depending upon the number of traits used to calculate them’? isn’t this the relationship that is being tested? maybe rephrase to clarify, consider also adding an explanation to the Methods what rankings were compared Table 3 Unclear what is ‘functional form’. Add some further explanations in the table header as to how to read the table, it’s not very intuitive that the models that are compared are per each metric, distance matrix and predictor combination (within a row, but considering the same distance matrix, right?), and not clear that the 6 (for each distance measure) models are for different communities. Explain also what mean, maximum and minimum correlations mean, so the table would be understandable without necessarily reading the text. Line 352 – add a reference to a table or figure LIne 354 – use ‘an Euclidean’ Line 360 – unclear what is the percentage from, models? Discussion: Line 381 – the part ‘though their magnitude was affected by input trait number’ could be removed since this is said also at the end of the sentence and currently makes the sentence difficult to read Line 412 – use ‘community CDR4’ to remind the reader again what these acronyms stand for Line 428 – what is ‘and unresponsive relationship’, do you mean ‘or no relationships’ Line 444 – could this be better as ‘Gower or Euclidean dissimilarity’? Fig. 1 Are some of the communities not shown, e.g. in J, or are they covered up by each other? Maybe with a bit thinner lines and smaller points they could be visible? Supplementary materials The data collection protocols include Konza, but since this data was not used in the current study, maybe not needed to include here to avoid confusion ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. 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