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| Original SubmissionMay 14, 2023 |
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PONE-D-23-14687Assessing the predictive value of morphological traits on primary lifestyle of birds through the extreme gradient boosting algorithmPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Madrigal-Roca, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Oct 14 2023 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: I Don't Know Reviewer #2: I Don't Know ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Throughout I think the objective of this research is not emphasised strongly but particularly in the abstract and the opening introduction paragraph. The abstract states that "This paper aims to evaluate the predictive potential of morphological data to determine the primary lifestyle of birds through a machine learning algorithm." but not why you would want to do that, or how it will help solve various ecological questions. Is the aim just to show that you can? It isn't very surprising that you can predict at some level primary lifestyle from morphology. Or are you trying to show a good method for doing so? What is the measure of being able to determine lifestyle from morphology? With modern machine learning you can build some level of prediction for most things given enough data. The abstract goes into too much methodology. "The best model generated, for which all 11 morphological traits were used, had an accuracy of 83%.": I don't feel that this is a very good prediction level for something as basic as primary lifestyle given everything has been included. What does a model such as just wing span and beak length/width give you? Of these 11 traits, many are going to be highly correlated, for example body mass has continually been shown to be correlated to wing-span and beak size. Is this model over-fitted? It would be good to see some analysis of number of traits to prediction accuracy - possibly plotted as (x number of traits, y prediction power) for both the test and training set. It would also be good to see some analysis for tuning nrounds/eta and depth (possibly also colsample_bytree,subsample and min_child_weight - from stackoverflow articiles on reducing overfitting). The introduction needs rework to include the motivation behind this work. Also a better focus on the aim, for prediction what would be an acceptable prediction accuracy (based on what previous work?). What are the trade offs for including more traits vs a simpler model? In the methods it is not clear to me modelling approach has been chosen. What other approaches were considered? Why were they discarded? It is a very step by step procedure of what was done, but I don't really understand why those decisions were made, what trade offs were involved, or the reasoning for the steps. I find it rather technical and difficult to follow, and don't reach the end understanding why choices have been made. Particularly, why only 3 models with these parameters? In the results I am not sure that comparing each morphological trait to primary lifestyle is particular interesting or related to the aims of this paper? I think a better stated aim would improve the results. For figure 2 it would be good to include all PCA axis, and possibly also transform the PCA (e.g. log) to make the plot clearer. Table 2 and figure 4 do not add anything. I do not understand the significance of figure 5. In the conclusion it would be good to know how this paper will allow us to better answer ecology questions about birds. "Overall, the results of this research provide valuable insights into the relationship between morphological traits and primary lifestyle in birds and demonstrate the potential for using machine learning models to accurately predict avian lifestyles based on their physical characteristics." - what were the valuable insights? In general, the paper is very technical with a lot of technical jargin that I found hard to follow and seems to go very deep into how these 3 models were built. But I don't think I really understanding the reasoning for building these three models. I do think there are some interesting questions to answer here and a good paper can be achieved with some better framing, more hand-holding through the methods, and tying the whole paper together with a stronger aim. Reviewer #2: Please see attached file. I copy below only the general comments but all details are in the attached pdf. I found the topic of your research very interesting but also encountered important structural problems. I did not comment on the entirety of the manuscript as I think that most of my comments apply to all the sections in the text. In general I would identify the main weakness of this work in the structure of the text, which is often convoluted and hides the main messages/results of the study. A lot of methodological details are presented outside of the methods section and with very specific terms which confuse the reader of what is the main point of each section. Each section of a manuscript has a specific role in telling the story and by respecting these roles we ensure that the reader can follow the story and look for the sections he is mostly interested in. I tried to suggest some general rules that I hope can guide the author in future versions of the manuscript. 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Assessing the predictive value of morphological traits on primary lifestyle of birds through the extreme gradient boosting algorithm PONE-D-23-14687R1 Dear Dr. Madrigal-Roca, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. 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Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #3: Yes Reviewer #4: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #3: Yes Reviewer #4: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #3: Comments and suggestions were both considered by the authors in detail. I recommend to accept it in the current form. Reviewer #4: This paper combines bird morphological trait data with a classification of avian lifestyles to ask whether traits can predict lifestyles. It’s a reasonable hypothesis and seems timely in relation to recent interest in trait-based metrics of biodiversity and associated ecological functions. While the result is interesting I think more needs to be done to place it in context and introduce the appropriate caution around the methods. My first main point is that there should be a clearer statement that previous work (Pigot et al. 2020) used the same dataset and similar machine learning models to test whether the traits predicted diet. The point should be made that machine-learning evidence of trait-based predictions of diet makes the current contribution a relatively minor advance. Of more concern is that the authors do not seem to consider the limitations of using a machine learning model that could be massively overfitting the data. The way the methods work, the models may be fitting a very convoluted relationship between membership of particular lifestyle categories and a particular trait axis. This risk of over-fitting should be mentioned as a potential risk of machine-learning methods, and ideally the authors should show the relationship between traits and lifestyles described by the models. I suspect that the risk of over-fitting is greater for the lifestyle data than it was for the dietary data (Pigot et al. 2020) because there are even fewer lifestyle categories. I also don’t think the authors account for the contribution of phylogeny to predictability when they build their training and testing datasets. Previous studies (e.g. Pigot et al. 2020) accounted for this by comparing predictive ability to a null model where traits evolved across the phylogeny. I am not necessarily suggesting that the authors of the current study should take this step, but they should at least carefully acknowledge that their model may overfit the data and overlook the predictive role of phylogeny, pointing to previous methods that have accounted for that criticism and suggesting that further studies are needed to explore these issues. Minor points: Why are there two titles? I prefer the shorter second one. Abstract: “However, there does not exist a previous exploration of the relationship between morphological traits and the primary lifestyle of birds” – change to: “However, the relationship between morphological traits and the primary lifestyle of birds has not previously been explored” “avian organisms” sounds like bullshitty jargon. Try just “birds” or “bird species” “Supplementary dataset 1 of the AVONET project was used” – I would change this to “I asued a global dataset of avian functional traits (AVONET)…” I would not use terms like “xgboost” in the abstract. The abstract is not the place for off-putting technical jargon. State plainly and explicitly what the models were trying to do, how they differ from other models (and in the methods you can explain that they are called xgboost models). “for the first time” – don’t use claims of primacy so bluntly in the abstract (or anywhere). Delete this phrase. Let the reader decide. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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