Peer Review History
| Original SubmissionJanuary 27, 2023 |
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PONE-D-23-02374No evidence for transitive inference in cleaner wrasse Labroides dimidiatusPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Bonin, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. In particular, please carefully address the issues raised by Reviewer 2, including the overall framing and motivation of the manuscript, and Reviewer 1's point regarding the need for increased emphasis on the possibility that the fish failure reflects that of training, rather than inference. Please submit your revised manuscript by Apr 07 2023 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I believe this is a very good paper, well-written, clear, with properly analyzed results. It seems to me that the authors should stress more perhaps that fish showed a failure of training more than a failure of transfer (inference), i.e. that the latter is mostly the outcome of the former. At any event, I believe this paper can be published as it stands. Reviewer #2: The authors set out to test transitive inference (TI) in cleaner wrasse which are known for their social cognitive complexity. They reason the task is not ecologically relevant, so even though the fish are smart in other contexts, this particular task is irrelevant to them. The reasoning is sound with the exception of a previous paper on the same species and methodology which not only found evidence of TI but also justified why they expect this species to be capable of doing it on ecological grounds. So which expectation is true?? Moreover, TI is typically examined in a social context (agonistic interactions) but here the methodology is a foraging task. It is not immediately apparent if it is appropriate to expect that TI is transferable across contexts. At least some of the introduction needs to address “the cleaner fish in the closet”. Lastly, the test seems to be set up in a discrete way, whereas my intuition says that TI would best work with continuous variables. The authors seem to be claiming that they found no evidence for TI, but this is not really a true picture of the results. In fact, the fish basically failed the pre-training prerequisites and should never have been tested in the TI test at all. In other words, they were destined to fail. This is particularly problematic because the middle training pairs which are essential to the ultimate TI test were simply not learned above random. The authors mention this in the discussion, but ultimately it’s a fatal problem. Having said that, I commend the authors for so thoroughly investigating their results, because it clearly highlights potential issues with how these tests are conducted. For me this is a major strength of the paper (lessons on what not to do). Both anchoring and recency effects were present in the training data sets. I did not find the motivation for this study to be terribly convincing. It is just not clean. One paper says TI is to be expected given the fish’s ecology. Here the authors say its not. Would it not be simpler to just revisit Hotta and say you’ve greatly increased the sample size? That sounds like a better justification to me. So overall my feeling is the motivation for the study needs to change, as does the take-home message: They failed because we failed… lessons learned. Specific comments: Abstract: It is a bit odd that the opening statement suggest that you do no expect to find that cleaner wrasse are capable of AI given their ecology but your last sentence says there is already evidence of TI in this species. This is a little confusing. L60: evidence of TI has been L67: I guess the question here is, does it make sense to test TI outside of social hierarchies? The other cleaner fish paper did as I recall but the other fish ones used agonistic interactions. L70: This is fine, but 2 of the 3 studies done on fish support the ecological explanation. The other doesn’t, although the introduction of Hotta et al 2020 claims their task is ecologically relevant. Here you claim it isn’t. So who to believe?? L86: growth through the threat of aggression L87: So here you are suggesting they don’t need TI because size is a true predictor of hierarchy position. Do you know if the hierarchy in your model is truly linear? How do you then explain the previous result which used pretty much the same approach? Moreover, im not sure you can transpose TI from a social context to a feeding context. This is an interesting question in its own right. L135: I have niggling doubts about this task. In my mind TI would be particularly useful for determining where things lie on a sliding scale, A is bigger than B which is bigger than C. But here the procedure is a little bit abstract. In some cases B has a reward (B+C1), in others it doesn’t (A+B-). It’s quite complicated. L137: in previous iterations of this test the “non preferred” plate would have flake food. Why no reward as apposed to a non-preferred award? L204: between the number of times that L228L sooo the fish failed to learn the middle associations? Is there any point in testing for TI given this result? Especially since your test involved contrasts with D L235: Again this is a problem since the outcome of the TI will be dependent on what came before it. L262: earned BC last L281: Yeah im not sure you can sell this idea too hard given Hora et al’s results. What you could say is you have repeated that test with greater sample size. I think this would be a more convincing motivation for the study. L282: organize information in their L287: My feeling is that your training regime failed, so the test for TI was not valid. You must seriously consider this as the main reason for your negative finding. L296: (45) and unsuccessful L356 & L381: see my earlier comments about this being a discreet test as opposed to a continuous test. L389: except they don’t because your training failed. This is likely a false negative. L409: I also think expectations of failure are valuable in the literature, but beware false negatives. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. 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PONE-D-23-02374R1In the absence of extensive initial training, cleaner wrasse Labroides dimidiatus fail a transitive inference task.PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Bonin, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. ============================== ACADEMIC EDITOR: Thank you for revising the original manuscript. The reviewer (who kindly agreed to do a second review following their suggested changes in round 1) and I feel you have now adequately addressed all major comments. We both recommend minor revisions - to do a further proof-read paying specific attention to grammar corrections (some of which have been highlighted by the reviewer), particularly of the new revised text. ============================== Please submit your revised manuscript by Jun 03 2023 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #2: The authors have done a great job addressing my earlier comments. The MS could still use a proof read by a native English speaker to improve the grammar. I found multiple grammatical errors (see below) but there are others. L38: I suggest rephrasing the final sentence of the abstract: Indeed, a parallel study on cleaner wrasse provided positive evidence for TI but was achieved following extensive training on the non-adjacent pairs which may have over-ridden the ecological relevance of the task. L46: “stores”, not “stocks” L57: insert bracket after “mice” L57 & 311: brook trout (trout is singular and plural) L82: 3.5 Ll314-5: delete “in their brain” 335: replace “who” with “that”. Delete “the” ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #2: Yes: Culum Brown ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". If this link does not appear, there are no attachment files.] While revising your submission, please upload your figure files to the Preflight Analysis and Conversion Engine (PACE) digital diagnostic tool, https://pacev2.apexcovantage.com/. 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In the absence of extensive initial training, cleaner wrasse Labroides dimidiatus fail a transitive inference task. PONE-D-23-02374R2 Dear Dr. Bonin, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Rachael Miller (Harrison) Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): No further comments Reviewers' comments: None |
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PONE-D-23-02374R2 In the absence of extensive initial training, cleaner wrasse Labroides dimidiatus fail a transitive inference task. Dear Dr. Bonin: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Rachael Miller (Harrison) Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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