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PONE-D-22-33138The psychophysics of bouncing: perceptual constraints, physical constraints, animacy, and phenomenal causalityPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Parovel, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. As you will read, reviewer 1 suggested a minor revision, and made a few conceptual or methodological comments. Please answer these comments to solve the issues which were raised. The reviewer 2 however suggested a major revision, mainly focused on the statistical analysis. The reviewer made an extensive description of his concerns and re-analyzed part of your data to strengthen his claim. He eventually made suggestions on what analysis should be performed given all the issues raised. It seems to me that given the analysis suggestion, all the issues can be answered, with a strong statistical re-analysis. Please submit your revised manuscript by Mar 02 2023 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Review of “The psychophysics of bouncing: perceptual constraints, physical constraints, animacy, and phenomenal causality” The authors report four experiments that investigate the perceptual impressions of simulated bouncing events, which were manipulated to be consistent or inconsistent with Newton’s laws. A circular shape moved downwards on a computer screen and then back upwards for different distances and at different acceleration/deceleration patterns. It turned out that impossibly high restitution coefficients of the animated circle produced impressions of animacy, whereas coefficients in the possible range produced judgments of a ball bouncing. The latter responses were collected in terms of 3AFC counts. A particularly interesting side finding is that it matters little whether or not the floor upon which the ball bounces is visually present or absent. The intuitive physics questions at the outset of the study are well presented and well motivated. The manuscript is well written, the methods are sound and the interpretation of the data is fair. The manuscript amounts to a nice addition to the field. I recommend that the substantial and well crafted paper be published. However, there are a few points that should be addressed. Major points: The duration of the simulated event may be critical. Given the paucity of the stimulus display, there is no independent information about size and distance of the moving object. For real-world objects, the acceleration could in principle be used to infer this information, however, in the context of the present doctored events, this is no longer possible. This is important because Newton’s laws neglect air resistance. They latter is ubiquitous on our planet, and massively affects very light objects, and can often be neglected for heavy objects. Given the unadorned stimulus, air effects (be they assumed, anticipated, or perceived) may well have played an important role in the current experiment. The restitution above 1 is of course impossible in all cases, but the average speed may or may not be considered impossible depending on air resistance. Thus, it is important to put the effects, in particular that of constant velocity, into perspective. The potential role of air should be discussed. This leads up to a second point: The choice of the 3AFC paradigm should be better motivated. One could get more quantitative information out of naturalness ratings. The rationale for choosing 3AFC should be better laid out in the introduction and discussed at the end. Would a 2AFC paradigm been possible? Picking the “better” event when showing two bounces side-by-side could also have been an option. Note, I am not suggesting to redo things with a different paradigm, but the pros and cons of the one used here should become a bit more transparent. Minor points: Methods: In Exp. 1, it should be stated clearly if there was a time delay between the moment the front edge of the circle touched the floor and the begin of its rebound. In Exp. 2 the authors used uniform acceleration at ¼ g. Why was this clearly unnatural gravitational constant used? This slow-motion of a dropping event may not only fail to be representative of real bounces, it may also allow viewers to use visual cues that may not be accessible at normal g. As a note, maybe to the journal more than to the author, I found it quite annoying to have to scroll all the way down to see the figures. Why not integrate them into the text? In this day and age there are not disadvantages, only usability advantages. Figure 2, 3, and 4, also 8 and 9, are messy and they do not summarize the results In any intuitive visual way. I would relegate them into an appendix. Lines 471ff: The time it takes a tennis ball to deform and rebound (5 ms) may not be a convincing argument that the delay times of 30 ms and above are impossible. Take a large ball that is not inflated to its maximum. I bet that rebound times around 30 ms are possible. This aside, the visual system integrates sudden onset movement over even larger time windows (see e. g. Runeson, S. 1974, Constant velocity—not perceived as such. Psychological Research, 37(1), 3-23). Would the authors argue that this is what happens as well in the case of bouncing events? The sentence starting on line 871 “We speculate …” is awful and flawed. “Cue of the physical plausibility” makes no sense. Line 887: The sentence starting with “From a physical viewpoint bouncing is a unitary event …” is misleading. A falling object is a lot simpler to describe than a bouncing object. I guess what is meant here is that a truncated event, i. e. one bounce only, may look odd although it simpler than the complete event. Line 909: The statement that acceleration changes as a function of distance to the event is incorrect. Just because the visual angle (and retinal size) of an object changes with distance, the acceleration does not. A Martian g would be very strange for a terrestrial environment, no matter how far away the observer is from the falling object. Signed review Heiko Hecht Reviewer #2: This study reports 4 experiments investigating which visual parameters (kinematics, presence or not of a bouncing surface) produce physical or animacy (or neither) interpretations of a bouncing motion. Although I found most of the experimental manipulations relevant and I may agree with the theoretical framing used for interpreting the findings, I think as it stands, the statistical analyses do not do the readers any favors or do the data justice in order to help draw out the essence of the data. That is why the bulk of my report will focus on these analyses, and I recommend a major revision. See details in the attached pdf file ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. 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The psychophysics of bouncing: perceptual constraints, physical constraints, animacy, and phenomenal causality PONE-D-22-33138R1 Dear Dr. Parovel, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. 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Best, Robin Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Review of revised manuscript “The psychophysics of bouncing: perceptual constraints, physical constraints, animacy, and phenomenal causality” The authors have done a commendable job replying to the reviewers’ comments and addressing the issues in their revision. I can generally follow the arguments and get the impression that the manuscript has greatly improved. All the points I raised in my initial review have been adequately dealt with. The paper will make a valuable addition to our knowledge about the intuitive physics of bouncing balls. I merely have a few minor remaining points I would like to raise: Line 11 (numbers refer to the pdf) in the Abstract: “of” is missing -> coefficient of restitution Line 1035: The fact that observers underestimate acceleration does not necessarily imply that they generally prefer accelerations smaller than g. It could just as well mean that they cannot handle fast retinal velocities and prefer retinal velocities that are moderate, not too fast and not too slow. When a far-away sky-scraper falls, it looks ridiculously slow and does not seem to accelerate properly. It is my guess that observers, when they watch moving objects, attach labels to them that are based first and foremost on velocity impressions, not on acceleration impressions. And these are calibrated relative to our normal action space and not to the far away vista space. Thus, the impression of “unnaturally fast” or “unnaturally slow may reflect velocity preferences rather than acceleration preferences, as the authors suggest. Here it may be appropriate to flag their preference as such. The results seem to be compatible with both views. As an aside, to support may interpretation, we asked subjects in a paper-and-pencil task which of several broom-sticks would fall faster when toppled over and would thus be harder to balance, sticks with a weight mounted at the top or sticks with the weight at the bottom. They performed very poorly, suggesting that even for objects at close range, our intuitions about acceleration are quite erroneous (see Hecht, H. (2015). Beyond illusions: On the limitations of perceiving relational properties. https://openscience.ub.uni-mainz.de/bitstream/20.500.12030/663/1/55023.pdf). Signed review Heiko Hecht Reviewer #2: I very much appreciate the manuscript as it stands in its revised form, and I highly recommend its publication. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes: Michel-Ange Amorim ********** |
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PONE-D-22-33138R1 The psychophysics of bouncing: perceptual constraints, physical constraints, animacy, and phenomenal causality Dear Dr. Parovel: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Robin Baurès Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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