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PONE-D-21-37101Mutual Information: Measuring Nonlinear Dependence in Longitudinal Epidemiological DataPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Young, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. The problem of using mutual information to discover nonlinearities is well addressed in the literature. The so called 'maximal information coefficient,' or MIC, is introduced in Kinney, J.B. and Gurinder S. A. (2014) Equitability, mutual information, and the maximal information coefficient, PNAS 111:119 More discussion can be found in David N. Reshef, Yakir A. Reshef, Hilary K. Finucane, Sharon R. Grossman, Gilean McVean, Peter J. Turnbaugh, Eric S. Lander, Michael Mitzenmacher, Pardis C. Sabeti (2011). Detecting Novel Associations in Large Data Sets, Science 334. Moreover, there is an R package that allows computation of MIC, minerva. The authors miss these critical references. The paper is poorly written. For example, the Appendix is full of? Please submit your revised manuscript by Mar 06 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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PONE-D-21-37101R1Mutual information: measuring nonlinear dependence in longitudinal epidemiological dataPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Alexander Young, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Although your work looks impressive two major concerns have to be addressed before I initiate the review process.1. You did not address my concern on the existing method of estimation of mutual information via MIC. It is not sufficient to cite the MIC research papers. More discussion and comparison must be provided. What if your estimator is equivalent to or even worse than MIC?2. The way to compare via simulations is to pick a distribution, say a multivariate normal distribution, and show how the MSE of both estimators converge to the theoretical (closed form) counterpart as a function of the number of observations. I believe that these additions will significantly increase the value of your work, albeit require more work. Please submit your revised manuscript by Aug 29 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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PONE-D-21-37101R2Mutual information: measuring nonlinear dependence in longitudinal epidemiological dataPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Young, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. The two reviewers, especially the second reviewer, have important comments to be addressed. Please respond to every point raised. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 17 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Kind regards, Eugene Demidenko, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: (No Response) Reviewer #2: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. 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Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: The authors present a study that motivates the use of mutual information (MI), as a statistical summary of data interdependence and claims to be a suitable alternative or addition to correlation for identifying relationships in data. As a case study, the use of MI in the analyses of epidemiologic data is considered, while providing a general introduction to estimation and interpretation. The utility is illustrated through a retrospective study relating intraoperative heart rate (HR) and mean arterial pressure (MAP). The findings show that postoperative mortality is associated with decreased MI between HR and MAP and improve existing postoperative mortality risk assessment by including MI and additional hemodynamic statistics. On a positive note, this revised study received in its current form has a few merits: Good articulation with a fair introduction section and explanatory diagrams. However, the document in its current form is quite limited and seems to baffle the readers of the critical care research community. To be precise the article needs to relook and dive more into the non-linear associations of MI among the vital signs of the data for mortality risk assessment in comparison to other statistical measures. The perplexities (and few suggestions) of the reviewer regarding the whole range of quality dimensions to judge a research paper on mortality risk assessment worthy of being published in PLOS ONE are as follows. 1. The authors should justify their need to resort to the logistic regression technique as a baseline model for data analysis and why not other models, especially gradient-boosting decision trees and/or neural networks. A comparative analysis with at least decision trees is much appreciated. 2. Comparative experimental results among Pearson correlation and other robust correlation measures such as distance correlation, mutual information, and maximal information coefficient should be depicted to support the hypothesis. 3. Can the ratios and higher-order statistic relations (square, cubic, etc) in terms of the vital signs among the data be useful to be considered? What are the advantages and disadvantages? 4. The discussion section can highlight the related studies used to explore the statistical dependencies among the vital signs for mortality risk assessment. The reviewer recommends the authors consult and cite the below-mentioned references. The most important must also be discussed, not just mentioned in a list of references. 5. Authors must enhance their experiments and try to present results based on evidence. Reporting AUROC, and MSE as performance metrics for mortality risk prediction is not fully correct. Reporting AUPRC, and PPV might add clinical significance. Even, further analysis of the variation of β on Fβ measure can serve the purpose to some extent in terms of robustness and significance. References to be cited: 1. W. Lin, J. Ji, Y. Zhu, M. Li, J. Zhao, F. Xue, Z. Yuan, PMINR: pointwise mutual information-based network regression–with application to studies of lung cancer and Alzheimer's disease, Front. Genet. 11 (2020) 1043. 2. L. Lu, X. Ren, C. Cui, Y. Luo, M. Huang, Tensor Mutual Information and its Applications, Concurrency and Computation: Practice and Experience, 2020 e5686. 3. Cook NR. Use and misuse of the receiver operating characteristic curve in risk prediction. Circulation 2007;115:928–35. 4. Cook NR. Statistical evaluation of prognostic versus diagnostic models: beyond the ROC curve. Clin Chem 2008;54:17–23. 5. N. Nesaragi, S. Patidar, V. Aggarwal, Tensor learning of pointwise mutual information from EHR data for early prediction of sepsis, Computers in Biology and Medicine, vol. 134, pp.104430, 2021. 6. N. Nesaragi, S. Patidar, T. Veerakumar, A Correlation Matrix-based Tensor Decomposition Method for Early Prediction of Sepsis from Clinical Data, Biocybernetics and Biomedical Engineering, vol. 41(3):10131024, 2021. 7. N. Nesaragi and S. Patidar, Early prediction of sepsis from clinical data using ratio and power-based features," Critical Care Medicine, vol. 48, no. 12, pp. e1343-e1349, 2020. 8. R. Krishnan, G. Sivakumar, P. Bhattacharya, Extracting decision trees from trained neural networks, 1999. Pattern recognition 32. Reviewer #2: The authors explain the concept of mutual information (MI) and propose to use it as a measure of association between variables. They apply it to a data set on postoperative mortality. On MI: I agree that R^2 is not a good measure if relationships are highly nonlinear. As long as the relation is monotone, a rank-correlation can be used instead. It is certainly useful to look for better and more general measures. The authors propose to use MI, which quantifies association more rubustly. They give an example with the gapminder data. For the relation between SBP and cholesterol, MI is clearly better than R^2. However, I find it difficult to believe that MI is larger than for BMI and cholesterol, which show a much stronger association in the scatterplot. This suggests that R^2 is a better measure in case the association is fairly linear. I would like to see some discussion on this by the authors. In the supplementary material, three statistics are compared using MSE. I am not convinced that MI is better. MI, MIC and cCor are different quantities. Even if they are standardized, a value of say 0.1 can have a different meaning for each of them. There is no standardized way to compare them. This is also seen in Figure 2, where data with correlation is compared. Estimates agree fairly well with true values, except maybe for N=100. KSG has smaller values, but that doesn't mean it gives a better reflection of correlation. I don't see a justification for the claim "one expects KSG to have lower MSE when compared to MIC and dCor in this setting as well". The lower variance for KSG is to be expected given the lower average value. The data set: 1) Do the authors expect that the relation between hemodynamic variables and outcome remains the same if HR and MAP are modified via an intervention? 2) The authors consider a Cox (CPH) model and a logistic regression (LR). For the LR, the model including hemodynamic variables improves with respect to AUC (Table 4). Figure 5 shows two individuals; for the second one, MI is clearly better than R^2. However, the authors do not report to what extent MI improve upon HR and MAP itself with respect to AUC. Also, I would liek to see the AUC for the CPH model included. 3) Several selections were made. Why were those with ASA score 5 excluded? In Table 2 I see that the number with ASA 1 or 2 is even smaller, while these individuals were not excluded. Excluding those with fewer than 240 HR/MAP values gives a risk of selection bias. It may be that these individuals have shorter follow-up due to death. The authors include the number of measurements as additional variable (in CPH only), but I don't see these results reported. 4) Were there any right censored individuals within 30 days? 5) Correlation does show strong relation with mortality in Fig 6D, but the authors write " does not display a strong association with mortality" 6) What is the biological reason to include MI in the model? Why would MI relate to mortality? 7) If two variables have a clear trend in individuals over time, it may be better first to remove that trend. It will give a strong correlation, which may have little biological relevance. It may be better to quantify the correlation after removal of the trend. Supplementary material: 0 log 0 is zero mathematically, it is not a convention I don't understand why the entropies for continuous distributions do not carry the same amount of information and why " an infinite number of entries after the decimal" is a problem. They are integrals that can be approximated as accurately as on wishes (e.g. via Riemann sums). How is k chosen? Several typos in text and formulas (also in the main text). Two examples: "d" in supplement form (2) and log2(3)-2/3 ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes: R.B. Geskus ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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Mutual information: measuring nonlinear dependence in longitudinal epidemiological data PONE-D-21-37101R3 Dear Dr. Young, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Eugene Demidenko, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): The authors fully addressed the comments -- the paper can be published now. Reviewers' comments: |
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PONE-D-21-37101R3 Mutual information: measuring nonlinear dependence in longitudinal epidemiological data Dear Dr. Young: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Eugene Demidenko Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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