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PONE-D-22-19232Identifying multivariate disease trajectories and potential phenotypes of early knee osteoarthritis in the CHECK cohortPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Jansen, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. ============================== ACADEMIC EDITOR: Revisions are required for this manuscript to improve clarity and details on the analysis and methods. ============================== Please submit your revised manuscript by Jan 29 2023 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Additional Editor Comments (if provided): Revisions are required for this manuscript to improve clarity and details on the analysis and methods. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: I Don't Know Reviewer #2: I Don't Know ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is an interesting and complex manuscript about describing the longitudinal progression of people with knee OA. My understanding of trajectories and clusters analyses are that they are descriptive analyses, retrospectively classifying people into groups. My main comment is that I am unable to provide any meaningful review of the statistical analysis and the decision-making process. My knowledge of these techniques is too limited. I am also not certain that others could replicate the analysis process of this paper. I think there were multiple, iterative analyses which lead to results-driven decisions about the next stage. I believe that these investigator decisions are likely to be valid, but that possible limitations of this approach should be discussed. Is this liable to something similar to "over-fitting", or the usual limitations of post-hoc analysis? I believe that all data from all time points were used in this paper. However, I didn't find it easy to confirm this opinion when I read the methods. Maybe make this clearer? Surely the data collection method will have a strong influence on the final analyses? So the unusual decision to measure different "severities" at different rates needs a discussion. The authors mention that there was a lack of discordant findings in their clusterings. Could this have been influenced by the data collection frequencies? I tried to check the trajectories and I think they look ok. I couldn't see any issues with their names/descriptions. I think figures 4 and 5 could benefit from detailed long legends. I am not certain what the PFi, Pain iv etc x-axis labels describe. In the supplements, the authors report different clusters based upon WOMAC severity, and they often have similar radiographic findings. This might be evidence of the discordance that the authors were looking for in their clusters? Is it surprising how often KL grade was similar across many clusters (supplement tables)? In general I found the Discussion to be conservative. The impact of this paper will probably be due to classification of people into different outcomes in their future. Do the clusters/trajectories yield something that appears to be clinically-meaningful? Which groups of people seem most likely to be destined for joint replacement etc? One major finding was the separation of males from pre- and post-menapase females; did the final clinical outcomes of these groups differ in a meaningful way? Also, if the authors choose to increase their sex-based discussion, then a greater discussion of possible sex/gender-related confounding should be included. Multiple clusters had relative small percentages of people in them. Is the failure to identify a lateral OA cluster a serious limitation? Reviewer #2: Major comments: As this is a study in a supposedly “early” OA cohort, it is a great pity that the characterization at a structural level was limited to radiography, as using several MRI features (cartilage and meniscus damage, meniscal extrusion, bone marrow lesions, synovitis) would have been much more informative, with radiography missing all these tissue specific pathologies Even JSW (and JSN) in radiography has been shown to not be specific to cartilage thickness, but is confounded by meniscus extrusion. The authors should specify this as a major limitation of the study. This being said, the current analysis is of course still very useful, since MRI is not currently used in the clinical routine of managing knee OA. Yet, I think the authors need to provide more evidence that they are examining really phenotypes, and not just different stages of the disease. There appear to be patients with and without radiographic signs of TF and PF disease, and exhibiting different grades. How can the authors ensure that entering these variables, they are not just differentiating stages of the same disease (same path of progression), rather than different phenotypes (different paths). Similar considerations apply to the WOMAC scores. Minor comments: ABSTRACT Design: Please give a short hint (maybe in brackets) how early OA is defined. Results: How is the sentence: Combining….and radiographic (PF) parameters…. It is unclear from my perspective whether the six clusters are only based on PF radiographic OA, and why TF radiographic parameters are not included. When you say “gender”, I think this should be termed “sex”, since you are talking about biological and not social attributes. This comment also applies to the main text. When including baseline parameters, does none of the radiographic features contributes to any of the clusters ? Conclusions: Although several…., they were shown…. Why are the first and second part of the sentence contradictions. The sentence is pretty general and could be a bit more specific. Are really “gender” and “menopausal status” the main components making up 6-8 clusters (including men?), when phenotyping knee OA patients. From this sentence it appears that functional and radiographic (PF and TF) make not contribution. If this is so, please state this in the conclusion. Again, the conclusion should, in my view, be more concrete and more specific. INTRODUCTION P9, line 50: Please omit “already” P9, line 56: What is meant by “biochemical joint changes”. Please name the tissue you are referring to. P9, line 59/60: … treatment….are available: Either “treatments” or “is available” P9, line 61: I suggest to say: disease “that consists of different phenotypes” P9, line 64: suggest to add: “coalesce over time to a final common pathway. (delete “in patients”) P10, line76: Please state in the introduction how you define “early” OA, as this term is very fashionable and it appears every researcher understands something different when using this term. P 10, line 78: Please omit “for the first time” METHODS P10, line 84. As this study appears to focus on knee OA, but some patients also have hip OA, did you consider to include hip OA in your analysis and phenotypic characterization, as lower limb function may be impacted by the presence / absence of hip OA as well as knee OA. P10, lines 90/91: How can the patients have “severe complaints at baseline (most patients”, if this is a cohort of “early” disease? P11, lines 95/96: Did you use WOMAC scores from one knee only (which one), or from both knees, as did the OAI. How did you account for contralateral knee (and hip) functional status in your analyses? P 11, line 98: Why did you use an absolute measure of JSW that varies substantially between patients of different sex and/or different body height, instead of using the common JSN grading (comparing the JSW with the less affected compartment and/or contralateral knee), as a real measure of pathology. P 11, line 98: Why did you use osteophyte “area” rather than the common semi-quantitative grading system? P 11, line 99/100: Why did you use a quantitative system for the TF joint, and a semi-quantitative one for the PF joint? As you appear to find a greater contribution of the PF than TF joint to the clusters, may this be due to PF radiographic grades being used semi-quantitatively (as a sign of pathology), whereas the TF joint is evaluated quantitatively, where absolute measures are not really a sign of radiographic pathology, but are strongly confounded by inter-subject variation. P 11, line 106: Thereafter…. Is this then referring only to the group included. This is a bit confusing. P 11, line 111: domain “experts”. Is this word used correctly here. May be due to my unfamiliarity with this particular method. P 12, lines 115-117: Can you give the non-specialist reader a sense why the non-functional data is possibly relevant to define phenotypes (and not the functional analysis)? P12, lines 120-123: It appears that the PF and TP radiographic features were not included at this level; why not? P12, lines 115 ff: Could you try to give the reader a sense of what these various methods do conceptionally, as not every reader may be familiar with theses statistical methods. RESULTS P13, lines 138-141: Why do you think specifically the TF JSW and PF JSN differ between included and excluded participants, but none of the other parameters? P13, lines 141 ff: it was decided…. based on which criteria P13, lines 149 ff: Why was the WOMAC score not determined at the knee level (as was done in OAI). Which knee was selected for the analysis regarding WOMAC in each patient? How do the authors expect the contralateral knee to confound the scores? P13, lines 160 ff: How did you define medial knee OA in the absence of radiographic JSN scores? P14, line 184: Adding WOMAC…. Adding to what ? P15, lines 190 ff: I wonder whether the lack of relevance of TF OA is due to the lack of use of JSN scores, as JSW is not a measure of pathology in a cross sectional context? Can you provide results on what the JSW change was over 10 years in the medial and in the lateral compartment, respectively? P15, line 198 : Please do not say “unfortunate”, the presentation of results should be neural P15, lines 200 ff: When sex and menopause were added (how did you classify men in this context), did really all the WOMAC and radiographic PF OA data became irrelevant (Therefore we decided to remove the other characteristics……) P15, lines 206ff: In my view, these phenotypes appear to represent different stages of the disease. P 15/16: The listing of the different clusters in the text is a bit difficult to follow. Maybe these could be put into Tables, cross-tabling the different features. This will also display visually which combinations were not in the set of selected phenotypes. DISCUSSION: P 16, lines 238 ff.: It would be beneficial if the structure of presentation of results could differ more clearly between cross sectional and longitudinal (change) distributions of the various features. P 17: When talking about TF and PF OA here, please add “radiographic” to the description. P 18, lines 268/269: How many of your participants had medial vs. lateral TF radiographic OA? P 19, line 291: Why do the authors think the results are so discordant between studies, given that they have examined a relatively large cohort. P 19, line 293: Instead or “some missing data was present”, please say “ some data was missing”. P 19, lines 308 ff: Shouldn’t the Osteoarthritis Initiative (OAI) data be used for validation? P 20, conclusions: There is more text about what was done than about what was found. Please focus more on concrete and specific findings in the conclusion section (also in the abstract) P 20, conclusions: Please do not state “for the first time”, since the study is one in line of such analyses, and of course every study has its peculiarities, but these to not necessarily qualify for stating “for the first time”, if similar approaches have been taken before. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. 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