Peer Review History
| Original SubmissionMay 2, 2022 |
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PONE-D-22-12621Infertile men with normal semen parameters at first assessment may deserve a second semen analysis: challenging the guidelines in the real-life scenarioPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Salonia, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jul 24 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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We will update your Data Availability statement to reflect the information you provide in your cover letter. 3. Please include your tables as part of your main manuscript and remove the individual files. Please note that supplementary tables (should remain/ be uploaded) as separate "supporting information" files Additional Editor Comments: This study aims to describe differences between a primary and secondary semen analysis for evlautaion of infertility. The authors assess a second sample from subjects who had shown normal values in accordance to current guidelines. Depending on the likelihood of an abnormal second semen analyses the authors propose a new predictive model to better identify subjects with high risk of pathological changes despite a normal first ejaculate score. The authors describe limitations of their work and the paper can add to discussions on improvement of guidelines and recommendations. The referee made several important comments which affect the validity of the findings. The authors need to address these comments and should revise thier manuscript accordingly. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: There is no comprehensive description of how the basic semen analysis was performed. Data on variability and compliance with e.g. demand for comparison of replicate assessments, use of equipment able to provide realiable results, interntal and external quality control is essential for this study. Furthermore, although it is true that there is definition of infertility based on TTP=< 12 months, but this has been challenged not the least based on older comprehensive studies (Tietze 1968 e.g.) and recent studied showing huge differences between short time to pregnancy and WHO "reference limits" - and those "reference limits" have also been challenged in the most recent WHO manual (2022). Authors claim semen assessments were done "within two hours". This is clearly NOT in compliance with WHO 2010: page 21, 2.5 Sperm Motility second paragraph: "Sperm motility within semen should be assessed as soon as possible after liquefaction of the sample, preferably at 30 minutes, but in any case within 1 hour, following ejaculation, to limit the deleterious effects of dehydration, pH or changes in temperature on motily." This calls in question to what extent reliable laboratory methods have been used. Lack of compliance with WHO recommendations can indicate that the assessments are influenced by significant technical variability - and that the reported change from "normal" to "abnormal" to a significant degree depend on technical /laboratory/ errors. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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PONE-D-22-12621R1Infertile men with normal semen parameters at first assessment may deserve a second semen analysis: challenging the guidelines in the real-life scenarioPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Salonia, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Oct 14 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
If applicable, we recommend that you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io to enhance the reproducibility of your results. Protocols.io assigns your protocol its own identifier (DOI) so that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols. Additionally, PLOS ONE offers an option for publishing peer-reviewed Lab Protocol articles, which describe protocols hosted on protocols.io. Read more information on sharing protocols at https://plos.org/protocols?utm_medium=editorial-email&utm_source=authorletters&utm_campaign=protocols. We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Stefan Schlatt Academic Editor PLOS ONE Journal Requirements: Please review your reference list to ensure that it is complete and correct. If you have cited papers that have been retracted, please include the rationale for doing so in the manuscript text, or remove these references and replace them with relevant current references. Any changes to the reference list should be mentioned in the rebuttal letter that accompanies your revised manuscript. If you need to cite a retracted article, indicate the article’s retracted status in the References list and also include a citation and full reference for the retraction notice. Additional Editor Comments: The reviewer requests raises a few concerns primarily in regard to the interpretation of the data. The authors may address these concerns in a revised version of the manuscript. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: I Don't Know ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I thank the authors for clarifying a number of matters. Still I think there are unclear items to work with. 1. Authors only work with sperm concentration, but declares sperm numbers were calculated. It was clear already 2010 that the WHO manual recommends sperm number rather than concentration that depends on both sperm number and dilution by fluid from other sources. 2. Variation in ejaculatory abstinence time can be an important source for variation. There is not even a discussion about this and no data available, only in M&M that abstinence time was 2-7 days. Could there be individual variability due to variation in abstinence time (or even ejaculatory frequency) before the two semen analyses? 3. Have the authors considered that limits above the lower 5th percentile "limit" byt the WHO 2010 and 2021 could be better to distinguish between men with semen abnormalities and men without? Looking at e.g. Keihani et al 2021 indicating that men in couples with short time to initiation of pregnancy have much higher semen analysis results compared to men in couples with 5-12 months. Thus, I do agree with the authors that the so called WHO limits (which should not be mistaken for limits between fertile and subfertile men) do mean that there is a risk to miss men with fertility problems. What I miss (or have missed) is a discussion whether higher DECISION LIMITS could be an alternative solution to repeating semen analysis ********** 7. 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PONE-D-22-12621R2Infertile men with normal semen parameters at first assessment may deserve a second semen analysis: challenging the guidelines in the real-life scenarioPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Salonia, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 17 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
If applicable, we recommend that you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io to enhance the reproducibility of your results. Protocols.io assigns your protocol its own identifier (DOI) so that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: https://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols. Additionally, PLOS ONE offers an option for publishing peer-reviewed Lab Protocol articles, which describe protocols hosted on protocols.io. Read more information on sharing protocols at https://plos.org/protocols?utm_medium=editorial-email&utm_source=authorletters&utm_campaign=protocols. We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Stefan Schlatt Academic Editor PLOS ONE Journal Requirements: Please review your reference list to ensure that it is complete and correct. If you have cited papers that have been retracted, please include the rationale for doing so in the manuscript text, or remove these references and replace them with relevant current references. Any changes to the reference list should be mentioned in the rebuttal letter that accompanies your revised manuscript. If you need to cite a retracted article, indicate the article’s retracted status in the References list and also include a citation and full reference for the retraction notice. Additional Editor Comments: The reviewer and I are positive about the content of the paper and considered the revisions useful. However, the refree still raises a few minor concerns which in my view are relevant and indeed improve the papers validity. The data need to be presented in a format that can easily be readable and contains all labels. I ask the authors to once more go through the suggestions and fix the errors listed by the reviewer. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: No ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: No ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I do believe this study merits to be published but there are still a number of aspects that if considered could make this a landmark publication. There are also flaws that need to be corrected. 1. The supporting information is not sufficiently transparent. a. Many labels and contents are in Italian - must be in English b. Many cells have only an Error indication c. A complete lack of explanations of column labels, how the reader should be able to analyse the data (e.g. compare first and second sample 2. The systematic use of terms like "normal semen" and "abnormal semen" although even WHO has pointed out that data should not be interpreted in that way: reference limits in WHO 2010 and 2021 are NOT limits between fertility and infertility. It would be better to refer to "men with semen results below/above WHO reference limts" WHO 2021 even points to the fact that male factor infertility have different causes, and therefore it is not very likely that there exists ONE true limit concerning semen analysis results for all causes - decision limits are more likely to support the clinical work with male reproductive disorders. 3. In table one, authors show the range of a number semen analysis parameters. It is strange that among men with "normal" first and second sample, low sperm numbers, concentrations, volumes etc are found! 4. Concerning the abstinence time - there are only results on group level available. What would be of interest is the comparison of each individuals abstinence time for the two samples (average difference and variability). 5. A very interesting aspect that has not been approached (as I can see it) is that the WHO reference limits 2010 and 2021 are too low! Againg thinking about e.g. Keihani 2021 this is not unlikely at all. The data the authors have could carry important information about this: could it be that using higher cut-offs would make a majority of men with first "normal" result to be above the WHO 2010/2021 level but under a tentative, higher cut-off? A graph showing the results of "normal-abnormal" men's first results in relation to cut-off level and compared to "normal-normal" men's Of course, this would mean that the heavily promoted need to for a second semen analysis based on the often misunderstood WHO 2010/2021 reference limits becomes of less interest. But the matter deserves serious scientific attention not the least since the WHO 2021 points to the weaknesses of the presented reference limits. 6. Authors repeatevly use the term"infertile men", but the definition is not sufficiently described. How where female factors ruled out? ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. 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Infertile men with semen parameters above WHO reference limits at first assessment may deserve a second semen analysis: challenging the guidelines in the real-life scenario PONE-D-22-12621R3 Dear Dr. Salonia, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Stefan Schlatt Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): The authors have responsed adequately and the paper is now acceptable for publication. Reviewers' comments: |
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PONE-D-22-12621R3 Infertile men with semen parameters above WHO reference limits at first assessment may deserve a second semen analysis: challenging the guidelines in the real-life scenario Dear Dr. Salonia: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Stefan Schlatt Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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