Peer Review History
| Original SubmissionApril 6, 2022 |
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PONE-D-22-10241Evaluation of the added value of Brain Natriuretic Peptide to a validated mortality risk-prediction model in older people using a standardised international clinical assessment toolPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Pickering, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jul 24 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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We will update your Data Availability statement to reflect the information you provide in your cover letter. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: I Don't Know ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Evaluation of the added value of Brain Natriuretic Peptide to a validated mortality risk prediction model in older people using a standardised international clinical assessment tool The authors explore the question if addition of the cardiac biomarker BNP adds prognostic value to a established mortality prediction score in elderly adults in NZ. This is a well-designed study with a well-phenotyped cohort and fair sample size. Improving risk prediction in the elderly (mean age >80 in this cohort) is of crucial clinical importance for the patient, patient’s family and physician. The main findings of this study are (1) adding BNP to the RiskOP model significantly improved the accuracy of one-year mortality prediction, (2) especially in patients without a diagnosis of CHF. The study utilizes advanced statistical models. Major BNP or NT-proBNP is a valuable prognostic biomarker in a wide range of cardio-vascular diseases. BNP is influenced by age, BMI, inflammation, gender, atrial fibrillation and kidney function. The authors should adjust for those metrics before performing survival analyses. The authors should explain how BNP levels were incorporated in the RiskOP Model. Were age appropriate thresholds used? It would be helpful for the reader to report the actual BNP values of the cohorts. The authors should explain why they chose BNP as a biomarker, why not serum sodium, albumin or CRP? The mean age was >80 years old, individuals at this age have a very high change for diastolic dysfunction. Do the authors have access to echocardiograms in the CHF cohort? Is there a way to report the prevalence of Afib in both cohorts? The authors should clarify when how the RiskOP model was derived, is this part of the interRAI assessment? Are the authors suggesting that BNP should be part of a routine assessment in the elderly? Could they estimate a benefit-cost ratio? Image quality of the figures needs to be improved Minor page 9, 69, sentence needs improved syntax page 11, 102, doe the authors mean “informed” instead of “inform”? page 12, 146, what do the authors mean by “cost effective”? page 17, 236, this is confusing. So how many BNP measurements were included in the analysis? Page 17, table 1 the column Died should have the figure 1 deleted Page 19, 258 should read “died” not “die” Page 19, 268, Fig2, should read “died” not “dies” Page 20, 283 and 284, should read congestive heart failure Page 20, 290, sentence needs improved syntax ********** 6. 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PONE-D-22-10241R1Evaluation of the added value of Brain Natriuretic Peptide to a validated mortality risk-prediction model in older people using a standardised international clinical assessment toolPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Pickering, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. The article is very interesting and certainly adds to scientific knowledge. It is a well-designed study regarding the addition of a biomarker to existing prediction tool. Methods and results are very well written. However, the discussion does not address appropriately the limitations of the modified tool and the explanation for the lack of utility in those with CHF. Although the improvement is statistically significant, it seems not to be very relevant from a clinical point of view. The conclusions are a bit misleading overeating the value of the modified tool and should be modified stating that the improvement in performance is just marginal. It should be discussed that the addition of a laboratory examination would be a major change in a score that is intended to be solely based on clinical data. Although the authors mentioned that is an inexpensive marker, this is not the same for most countries. In fact, BNP is unavailable even in reference hospitals in less developed countries. As mentioned, there is no explanation about the reason why to perform a subgroup analysis on those patients with and without CHF. Moreover, there is a lack of discussion of the possible reason of the poor performance of the modified tool in the CHF subgroup. I think that BNP probably does not add prognostic information if the patient has already a diagnosis of CHF. In patients without CHF, BNP probably identify some undiagnosed or subclinical cases. This or other possible explanations should be included in a separate paragraph in the discussion. Please submit your revised manuscript by Oct 19 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Kind regards, Alonso Soto, PhD Academic Editor PLOS ONE [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed Reviewer #2: (No Response) Reviewer #3: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Excellent paper! Very interesting for the readership. The authors did an excellent job in answering the reviewers questions. Reviewer #2: 1) If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review … I had the opportunity to read the questions of the first reviewer and the answers of the authors. To my knowledge, they answered correctly to the remarks. The manuscript was adapted correctly. 2) Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? Absolutely. 3) Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Appropriately: this article might be interesting for clinicians. But no single clinician understands more than 10% of the statistics applied. The question is, if so many analyses are necessary for this relatively simple question. "μηδέν άγαν" (meden agan)! Never too much, said Socrates. So why all these analyses, while a simple ROC says enough in this case. Moreover, the promised basic ROC curve (graph) is missing. Rigorously: decision curve analysis: crucial is here the balance between giving erroneously a bad message, or erroneously a good message. The authors boldly put this balance at 1/1, which is against the philosophy of medical decision making. The key task in decision analysis is always the estimation of this balance. Without a thorough even qualitative research concerning this balance, decision curve analysis makes no sense. 4) Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? This question has been answered in the first review. 5) Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English The English is perfect. But I think even some statisticians will have difficulty understanding all analyses done. I had to go back to the difficult decision curve analysis, to understand fully what the authors mean. As the authors state that this article might be interesting for clinicians, I propose to show the basic ROC curves with AUC statistics. And to state clearly the difference between significance and effect size. The latter is very small in this research, even in non-cardiac patients. The authors use the word ‘marginally’ in the first paragraph of the discussion, but go further with ‘clear added value’. 6) Abstract Methods: the authors state: “Incremental value was assessed by change in Area Under the Receiver Operating Characteristic Curve (AUC)” In the results section we (clinicians) miss a classical ROC curve. Instead, we see graphs that take time to understand. Conclusions: I did not understand immediately the conclusions. The authors conclude that the BNP improves the prediction for non-cardiac patients. I think I’m not the only reader to expect BNP to influence prediction especially in cardiac patients. I would state this as an unexpected paradox: BNP has an added value only in non-CHF. Suggestion: After revision by the first reviewer, I should state this is an excellent article, but not for clinicians or Plos One. In the present writing, I would submit it to Medical Decision Making, given the thorough statistical analyses (except for the decision curve analysis, which should be revised). If it is intended for Plos One, I would revise it along the suggestions I made hereabove. Reviewer #3: In this manuscript, Pickering et al. performed a proof-of-concept study to evaluate the potential of adding BNP to the one-year mortality prediction model. The study included >1500 individuals with completed interrail-HC assessment and BNP measurement. It was found that the addition of BNP would increase AUC by 0.015 (95% CI 0.004-0.028). The improvement mostly came from individuals without CHF. Overall, the manuscript is well-written. Following are some minor comments. 1. In the abstract, please define CHF. Given that more than half of individuals had CHF, such information could be also included in the abstract. 2. Please also include the number of mortalities in the abstract 3. The sample size used for the calculation is unclear. In Table 2, it is 1537, but in the Results section, it is indicated that 1572 individuals had all the required data. The total number of individuals with CHF (n=785) and without CHF (n=752) would be 1537. This number should be also used in the abstract, but not 1690 individuals. 4. It would be useful to comment on why the addition of BNP only improved the prediction performance for individuals without CHF but not for those with CHF. 5. Is there any sex-specific difference in the prediction performance? ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: Yes: Nils Patrick Nickel Reviewer #2: Yes: Jef Van den Ende Reviewer #3: No ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". If this link does not appear, there are no attachment files.] While revising your submission, please upload your figure files to the Preflight Analysis and Conversion Engine (PACE) digital diagnostic tool, https://pacev2.apexcovantage.com/. PACE helps ensure that figures meet PLOS requirements. To use PACE, you must first register as a user. Registration is free. Then, login and navigate to the UPLOAD tab, where you will find detailed instructions on how to use the tool. If you encounter any issues or have any questions when using PACE, please email PLOS at figures@plos.org. Please note that Supporting Information files do not need this step. |
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Evaluation of the added value of Brain Natriuretic Peptide to a validated mortality risk-prediction model in older people using a standardised international clinical assessment tool PONE-D-22-10241R2 Dear Dr. Pickering, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Alonso Soto, PhD Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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PONE-D-22-10241R2 Evaluation of the added value of Brain Natriuretic Peptide to a validated mortality risk-prediction model in older people using a standardised international clinical assessment tool. Dear Dr. Pickering: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Alonso Soto Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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