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PONE-D-22-07922Impact of dominance rank specification in dyadic interaction modelsPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Mielke, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. As you can see both reviewers and favourably impressed by your manuscript. However, they ask for more clarity about the rationale at the basis of your choice. R1 suggests presenting clearer practical information on when using the different methods and making them easier to a broad range of scholars. R2 strongly suggests discussing the empirical data into a more general framework by reviewing the literature available on the topic. I think that the reviewers' requests are not difficult to address. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jul 23 2022 11:59PM If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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(Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: ABSTRACT INTRODUCTION LINE 48: Spending few more words on this concept could be useful to the reader, maybe also mentioning a research example for the issue LINE 57-58: In which way could a pre-analytical assumption introduce a bias in the results obtained on the social system? Do you refer, for instance, to cases when you apply a specific tool/method to obtain NDS values or indices for the linearity of hierarchies even when the system is not suitable for applying them? Please specify better. LINE 73: I think ‘of’ is a typo here. LINE 110: when you refer to ‘different model specifications of rank differences’ are you referring to the three options ‘raw index values, proportional ranks, ordinal ranks’? If so, I suggest specifying it and to anticipate here what the three options properly mean and what they differ from each other. LINE 123: please specify how (in terms of statistical tool / h or transitivity index or others) the authors found female hierarchies to be ‘clearly linear’, since, as you discuss in the current manuscript, results are susceptible to changes according to the statistical methods used and assumptions made. METHODS LINE 195: I think it could be useful for the reader to have a clearer description of what the response variable consisted of. For instance, was the ‘aggression events’ response variable a numerical variable for all the possible dyads of your n female individuals (with a-b dyad different from b-a) with the number of aggressive interactions done from a to b (or vice versa) for each dyad? LINE 210: Why you chose to use as random effects sender identity and receiver identity separated and not as the interaction between these two? RESULTS/DISCUSSION What do you think could be the theoretical reasoning for proportional and ordinal values to be better than the raw ones, since the first two require the assumption of equidistance between ranks? I may think this results is appliable only to highly linear as well as highly steep hierarchies in which the distance between the ranks are discrete and evident? The strong determinant of the study is the way you assessed the ‘quality’ of the different models (as you discuss there are no universal objective ways of predicting model quality), but how can you say the one you used is at least the best one)? Please, if possible, contextualize your results in the framework of the method used to discriminate ‘better’ and ‘worse’ models. As you introduce at LINE 30-32 (Introduction), hierarchical ranks (obtained as NDS or Elo ratings) are highly used in ethology to, for instance, study how the distribution of behaviours is influenced by the position of the individuals along the hierarchy (e.g., when using GLMMs the NDS is often inserted as a fixed effect). What I do not precisely get from your work is whether and how your conclusions on the suitability of using NDS vs Elo rating or raw vs proportional vs ordinal indices could also apply to studies that use indices of hierarchical rank (i.e., NDS) to analyse the distribution of some behaviours. Are you suggesting Elo ratings over NDS and ordinal/proportional values over raw ones to be used in general in models (e.g., when using hierarchical ranks as fixed effect in GLMMs) or only when applying models set such as those you used to study the different interactions (e.g., aggressive) in the present study? I think this should be important to be specified in order to broaden even more the usefulness of this work. Reviewer #2: In this study, the author tackles an important, methodological aspect of behavioral ecology related to quantitative approaches to evaluate and use dominance ranks and ranking-differences among individuals in a group in statistical analyses. The work no doubt has its merits, and the questions asked are novel in spite of the now broad, ever growing literature on methodological considerations while evaluating hierarchies. Beyond just comparing ranking methods as extensive studies have now done, the author (somewhat exploratorily, in my opinion) attempts to evaluate how researchers’ choices pertaining to evaluating measures of dominance might impact the performance of linear mixed effects models when one or the other of these measures are used. In doing so, the goal is to highlight discrepancies in dominance-related findings across studies that arise merely as a consequence of pre-processing decisions of how best to evaluate ranks. While I agree that such an effort would doubtless be useful to animal behavioral studies, I nevertheless have some concerns regarding the authors decisions, choices, and rationale as explained in the Introduction and Methods sections. I have summarized these concerns below. Should the author address these in a revised manuscript, I would be happy to review the revisions to these sections as well as provide a more in-depth review of the Results and Discussion section at the time. First, I agree in principle that researchers have made different choices – e.g. absolute ranks, rank index, standardized rank-differences etc. – across studies. That said, I am left wondering about the extent to which differences in these choices across studies stem more so from hypotheses-driven (rather than random, as seems to be the author’s primary argument here) decision-making. For instance, one might think that researchers would be more prone to using percentile (rather than absolute or ordinal) ranks in a comparative study involving multiple groups and species, as opposed to a study that's conducted in a one-off group for example. To validate this or not, perhaps a more interesting endeavor that I think should probably precede these analyses would be to write a review article. This could potentially focus on studies (say over the past 5-10 years) on nonhuman primates, but also other group-living animals in which dominance hierarchies have been evaluated, and summarize pertinent information from these studies – e.g. (i) computed dominance ranks, (ii) the method they have used, (iii) the rank-related measures they have used in their data analyses (GLMMs, correlations etc.), and most importantly (iv) the rationale they offer for these decisions, if any. This would establish a clearer premise. In terms of how often these choices are random versus question- or hypothesis-driven, for conducting this analysis. Without such a review of the literature, as a researcher I would have a limited understanding of the depth of the problem that the author tackles empirically here. Without a review, I’d give credit to researchers insofar as simply expecting each of them to think about their question, hypotheses and predictions, and come up a suitable "simplest" level of analysis to address these hypothesis (e.g. individual, dyad), and finally the measures that would be most well suited given the above. Moreover, I am somewhat concerned that this study has been restricted to just female-female interactions for a single, Cercopithecine primate taxon in which females are expected to show linear (if not steep) dominance hierarchies. I think evaluating robustness (or lack thereof) to hierarchical variation are key to “drive home” methodological assessments of dominance, but such variation is clearly not accounted for by the reductionist or restrictive approach taken here. Most methodological discrepancies in estimations of dominance (whether ranking methods, or the use of different quantitative aspects of dominance success as has been done here) arise from noninteracting dyads, changes in group composition, or among animals that interact consistently but infrequently. Given this, wouldn’t the inclusion of males, at the very least, be necessary to validate your findings? Third, I see that you have only conducted these assessments for dyadic differences. This in itself would entail, to the best of my knowledge, using matrix-regression approaches in the place of, or at least in addition to, your approach of using linear regression in which you include the attribute (rank) of one animal and various computations of differences in rank between that animal (giver/sender) and the other member of the dyad. Why not use matrix regressions, as several previous studies have done? Explain more clearly as to why your approach would be better than, say, a matrix-based approach like Mantel tests and/or an MR-QAP regression. A second, closely related point - in addition to, or instead of, dyadic rank-differences, why not conduct similar assessments for absolute ranks at the individual level, to minimize dyadic inter-dependency issues? For instance, as you say earlier, compare results of analyses in which you include ordinal ranks, rank indices (ranging between 0 -> 1), and cardinal scores (e.g. DS), to examine the effects of each of these on individual animals' (i) aggression given, (ii) aggression received, (iii) grooming given, (iv) grooming received etc.? Finally, a potentially minor point. I see that you included observation effort as an offset term in your models. I take it that observation effort was not equal across both members of dyads, so did you then use the value for just one member of the dyad? This seems a bit unclear. ********** 6. 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PONE-D-22-07922R1Impact of dominance rank specification in dyadic interaction modelsPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Mielke, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Nov 06 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed Reviewer #3: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Thanks for clarifying the parts that were pointed out in the previous Review. The manuscript can now be useful for researchers dealing with social hierarchies in primates as well as other social mammals. Reviewer #3: This paper investigates different dominance indices, dominance rank standardization and model specification by studying the effect of dyadic rank relationships on the distribution and patterns of interactions within a group. The aim of this paper is to show how different choices made by researchers (referred to as “researcher degrees of freedom”) can impact the interpretation of results even when analyses are based on the same data. To prove this point, this work uses data of behavioural interactions in sooty mangabeys, and specifically female-female interactions, excluding intersexual and male-male interactions. The author justifies the choice to restrict the analyses to this subset of data based on the species’ characteristics (linearity of female of female hierarchies and high rates of interactions among females). The author fits multiple generalized linear mixed models within a Bayesian framework using different model specifications and variables. Then, he uses leave-one-out cross-validation information criterion (LOO-IC) and Bayesian R^2 to identify the model that explains the most variance in the data, which is then considered the “best” model. Thus, the closer each model performs to the “best” model (comparing LOO-IC and Bayesian R^2) the better that model is assumed to be in correctly identifying the processes present in the data. This allows to compare the validity of each result and its interpretation. However, models that performed close to, but were not the “best” model were still considered to provide insightful information on the dynamics of social interactions analysed if they highlighted alternative patterns that were not possible to be captured by simpler, “better” models. This can come across as a by-product of the fact that the outcomes of the analyses are contingent on the choices of analyses, for example you cannot find a pattern that your model is not built to capture. The author addresses this point in the discussion in lines 411-418. Thus, it is an integral part of the argument proposed by the manuscript, where researcher degrees of freedom impact interpretation of results. At its very core, I feel the argument is conceptual and it would be valid even if argued only theoretically, but the use of empirical data underlines it. For each result obtained from different model specifications and rank standardizations the author carefully highlights the differences in interpretation and how some results could paint only a partial picture of the dynamics occurring in the data, which would have led to different conclusions on the social organization of the species. Thus, this work succeeds in showing the impact that researcher degrees of freedom have on the interpretation of results obtained from the same data, using an example study species. As a solution, the author proposes a ‘multiverse analyses’ approach for future studies, where researchers are suggested to conduct analyses using a different combination of pre-processing and modelling choices to validate their results outside specific methodological choices and to increase repeatability. In conclusion, I think that this work is a valuable contribution to studies evaluating methodological validation within the field of animal behaviour. Secondarily, it provides information on the patterns of interactions that female sooty mangabeys have with other females in relation to their dominance rank, using the same ‘multiverse analyses’ approach suggested by the author. However, I mention this only as a secondary point as the inclusion of intersexual and male-male interactions could have resulted in more complete set of results in that sense, but I understand that was not the target aim of this manuscript. I only have one minor comment: It is shown that assuming equidistance among dominance ranks is a better predictor than calculating raw differences in the values of the dominance indices, and I find it very interesting. The author argues that “there is no indication that the numeric distances produce [sic] by some human-made algorithms are meaningful for how animals structure their dominance hierarchies, and raw values will be influenced to a larger degree by measurement error” (lines 423-424), which is argued to be supported by the results and discussed in great detail. However, the discussion would benefit from warranting some space to elaborate on the possible implications if such finding proved to be correct also for other species and systems, and thus potentially a general characteristic of social systems. For example, there are multiple cases in which such numerical distances are assumed to be meaningful in the literature, with implications on interpretation of results (which is a relevant topic for this paper). For example, the methodology proposed by de Vries and colleagues (2006) uses the difference in David’s score values among individuals as a basis to calculate hierarchical steepness, and it’s a widely used metrics with over 300 citations. In addition, this result may be dependent on the characteristics of this study species and of female-female interactions specifically (e.g., high linearity, possibly high steepness), although the author correctly restricts the statement to these analyses: “equidistance is the assumption that minimises error in this case,” lines 425-426. If this result were consistently replicated in multiple species with different characteristics, it would have interesting implications. I suggest the author expand the discussion on this point to allow also non specialist readers to understand the possible implications of this finding alongside future avenues of research. Also, as a small typo I think the author intended to use “produced” and not “produce” in the sentence (line 423). References de Vries, H., Stevens, J. M. G., & Vervaecke, H. (2006). Measuring and testing the steepness of dominance hierarchies. Animal Behaviour, 71(3), 585–592. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.anbehav.2005.05.015 ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: Yes: Luca Pedruzzi Reviewer #3: Yes: Tommaso Saccà ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. 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