We would like to thank the Editor and the two Reviewers for their constructive and
useful comments on our manuscript. We are glad that they all considered the paper
and the dataset to be an interesting and valuable contribution. We have tried to address
all of the comments provided by the Editor and the two Reviewers, and we believe that
we have now significantly improved the manuscript as a result. Our point-by-point
responses in each case can be found below.
N.B. Where we refer to Line and Page numbers in our responses, these reference the
previously submitted version of the manuscript and are the same as originally quoted
by the Reviewers.
Editor
The archaeological record of the excavated sites is lengthy reported in the SI, but
I urge the authors to provide some figures of the excavated graves and/or excavation
plans. Unfortunately, almost all the archaeological reports are in Belarus language
and difficult for the common reader to understand the differences between the funerary
customs (e.g. kurgan vs other grave types) and the archaeological settings. Moreover
more details should be provided about how the site chronology were determined.
We thank the Editor for this suggestion for improvement. To address this comment as
well as the request by Reviewer 1 to better describe the various sites’ funerary contexts,
we have added:
-the number of excavated individuals to Table 1 and the description of how this number
was counted for the purposes of this article to the Supplementary Note 3 (new section
“Number of graves and individuals”)
-expanded the Supplementary Note 3 with one more section “Burial custom: kurgan (mound)
and ground (earth/pit burials)”, describing the funerary custom and its evolution
and how the chronology of the sites was established
-figures with examples of kurgan and ‘stone’ grave plans, and several more cemetery
excavation plans of the mentioned sites. Adding plans for all of the sites is not
deemed possible, as most of them are available only in bad quality. Furthermore, almost
all cover not the whole cemetery, but every layer and trench excavated in a certain
year while, in the case of kurgans, there are very high-level "situational plans"
and detailed plans of each excavated kurgan available. This would mean that close
to a hundred images would need to be inserted.
We have therefore rather sought to provide some good case study examples. We hope
now with this additional information that the archaeological context of the sites
is clearer.
Bioarchaeology of the human remains, sex and age at death methods should be described
and justified better. It is hard to believe to sex estimates made on the cranium only
of age at death based on cranial sutures analysis. Moreover, the authors write “In
the cases where sex and age estimation based on the study of the cranium contradicted
those stated in the available publication or archaeological report, the latter assessments
were used based on the assumption that it could have been estimated with more certainty
at the time of analysis when postcranial elements were also available”. So, why did
the authors a new anthropological analysis of the human remains?
We agree entirely with the Editor on this point, and have now tried to better address
the concern with the credibility of bioarchaeological assessment. Unfortunately, a
lack of postcranial elements in the case of the human specimens from one of the collections
(National Academy of Sciences of Belarus) makes it impossible to assess the sex with
greater precision. These, however, represent 35 out of 143 individuals. The decision
to favour the sex and age estimation from the available publication or archaeological
report was made specifically for this reason, as from the photos or the description
of the remains (extended position of the skeleton, positions of hands and legs) in
some reports it was clear that almost a full skeleton was preserved at the time of
excavation, while the history of the collection includes an unfortunate loss of many
elements and the preferential preservation of skulls by the anthropologists who curated
it. However, the sex or age were not always reported for the remains, therefore a
new anthropological analysis of the sample was deemed necessary, alongside the contradiction
between the assessment that arose from this analysis compared to previous observations
in some cases (3 with male/female estimated differently based on skull versus publication;
7 more cases where sex was estimated as “indeterminate” based on skull, but more specific
assessment from the publication was adopted).
To make these reasons clearer, we have changed the corresponding text to:
“Sex assessment was based on cranial morphology [85]. In the cases where sex determination
based on the study of the cranium contradicted that stated in the available publication
or archaeological report, the latter assessments were used as the sex could have been
estimated with more certainty at the time of excavation when postcranial elements
were also available. Given that sex assessment based on cranium is less relaible,
we conduct an additional check before interpreting the results of male to female comparisons.”
To further address the concern with the reliability of sex assessment based on cranium,
we have conducted additional statistical tests and have added the following lines
to the methodology (above) and results and discussion (below):
“Males (n = 67) and females (n = 61) present mean δ13C values of −22.1‰ ± 1.1 and
−22.0 ± 1.0‰ and mean δ15N values of 10.3‰ ± 1.4 and 10.2‰ ± 1.6, respectively (Table
4 and Fig. 4). The t-tests comparing sexes showed no evidence for statistically significant
differences for either δ15N (t = 1.046; df = 126; p = 0.297) or δ13C (t = 0.799; df
= 126; p = 0.426); this result remains true if individuals with postcranial elements
(male n = 53; female n = 40) are tested separately (δ13C: t = 1.212; df = 91; p =
0.229; δ15N: t = 0.439; df = 91; p = 0.662). Likewise, no differences are found between
males and females buried in urban or rural cemeteries, or between sexes compared in
each period separately.“
“Given that no differences were observed between the isotope values in the bone and
dentin collagen samples, and the results of male to female comparison stay the same
for both the entire sample and for individuals with postcranial elements when they
are tested separately, we assume that neither the heterogeneity of samples nor the
variability of methods applied for sexing (based on cranium or postcranial elements)
have substantially affected the interpretation of the results.”
We also completely agree that the narrowly-reported age-at-death based on cranial
sutures analysis may be misleading and unjustified. In this case where such a method
was applied (the collection of Polack State University) a new anthropological analysis
was impossible due to time constraints and the agreements with curators. Therefore
we could only rely on the estimates provided by the local anthropologists and the
methods they use. Recognizing the low reliability of the aging method based on cranial
sutures, we have not attempted any age-related comparisons or analysis in the study,
using the age estimation solely to establish that the individuals in the sample were
predominantly adults. To address the rightful concern of the Editor and Reviewer 1,
we have replaced the narrow age ranges in the “age” column of the Supplementary Table
1 with the age categories “adult” and “adolescent” to avoid providing unjustified
information. We have also added a few further cautionary lines to the main text as
follows:
“Also due to the necessity to rely on the prior anthropological analysis in the case
of individuals from Polack State University osteological collection and recognizing
the low reliability of the aging method based on cranial sutures, we report the age-at-death
only at the level of age categories “adult” and “adolescent” in Table S1 and do not
undertake any age-related analysis in the study, using the age estimation solely to
establish that the individuals in the sample were predominantly adults.”
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Reviewer 1
The paper “Medieval and Early Modern diets in the Polack region of Belarus: A stable
isotope perspective” explores patterns of paleodiet of inhabitants of the Polack region
– Belarus – across time (11th-18th centuries), between sex, settlement type (rural
vs urban) and burial context (elite vs military) through carbon (δ13C) and nitrogen
(δ15N) isotope analysis of human and faunal bone and dentine collagen. With its significant
set of data of human (n=143) and faunal (n=105) remains from 15 rural graveyards and
the town of Polack, the paper constitutes a valuable contribution to reconstructing
dietary habits across significant historical periods in Belarus - an under-investigated
region compared to other parts of Europe for the reconstruction of past human diets.
I find particularly noteworthy the extensive archaeological and historical background
given in the Supplementary Information and the integration of various archaeological,
literary, and historical sources with δ13C and δ15N outcomes in the discussion. The
paper also compares the data with δ13C and δ15N values from neighbouring territories,
showing the main differences. The data are exhaustively reported in the Supplementary
Tables (Supplementary Tables 1 and 2) and summarised for chronological periods, type
of site and type of burials (Tables 3 and 4). Quality control is in place and reported
in the Supplementary Tables. The statistical analysis performed is adequate for the
study. The large chronological span and diverse type of site (rural vs city) provide
the dateset for answering the research questions the authors outline.
We thank Reviewer 1 for this positive assessment of the significance of our dataset
and our thoroughness of our analysis. We are also glad that they found the attempt
made to e document the local sources related to the past diet and nutrition to the
English-speaking audience to be important.
However, the manuscript needs some revisions. As a general comment, there are some
typos and problems with consistency in how the results are reported. The authors might
want to consider making some changes to the Figures.
Thank you for noting this, we address such issues below under the corresponding detailed
comments.
All historical and archaeological bibliography is in Belarusian or Polish language,
and it would be useful to have more general references in English.
Indeed, this is a trade-off between providing adequate coverage of the local context
and the importance of accessibility for a wider audience. As Reviewer 2 notes, the
literature from the region is not easily accessible to many researchers, therefore
one of the aims and focuses of our manuscript was to make the local publications and
archaeological reports available for the wider audience, who cannot otherwise access
them due to language barrier, lack of digitised copies, and local regulations related
to issuing reports, which require obtaining written permissions from the Academy and
the living authors. In fact, beyond the isotopic dataset, this is a major contribution
of our manuscript to the field. Furthermore, information related to the paleodiet
in Belarus has not been found by the authors to be widely discussed in more internationally
available resources or in English, therefore we relate to the studies from Poland
and Lithuania published in English where possible (e.g. Dembińska and Weaver, 1999;
Reitsema et al., 2010; Reitsema et al., 2017; Piličiauskienė and Blaževičius, 2019;
Whitmore et al., 2019; Skipitytė et al., 2020). We have made another attempt to review
the English literature related to palaeodiet in Belarus, but have not found more h
sources that are easily available.
The various sites’ funerary contexts should be better described. The authors might
want to clarify how reliable the given chronology is and explain how this latter was
defined (e.g., based on archaeology/typology).
We thank Reviewer 1 for this helpful and important observation. We have made the changes
as described above in the reply to the first comment of the Editor and hope they also
satisfy the propositions of Reviewer 1 now.
A major concern is related to the age-at-death determination of adult individuals,
which shows very narrow ranges compared to the methodology used.
This is indeed a very true observation and, as noted in the reply to the 2nd comment
from the Editor above, we found it most appropriate to replace those narrow estimations
with broad age categories, leaving the age-at-death assessment at the level “adult”
to “adolescent”.
Additionally, in the methods, the authors rightly highlight the difficulties of comparing
bones with tooth roots as they reflect different years of life, but then this aspect
is never taken into account in the discussion of results.
We have now added the following lines to the Human results section and Discussion:
“No differences were observed between the bone and dentin collagen samples for either
δ15N (Mann-Whitney U test, U = 1778; p = 0,102) or δ13C (Student’s two-sample t-test,
t = 0.153; df = 141; p = 0.879).”
“Given that no differences were observed between the isotope values in the bone and
dentin collagen samples, and the results of male to female comparison stay the same
for both the entire sample and for individuals with postcranial elements when they
are tested separately, we assume that neither the heterogeneity of samples nor the
variability of methods applied for sexing (based on cranium or postcranial elements)
have substantially affected the interpretation of the results.”
Finally, some parts of the text in the discussion are slightly hard to follow and
forced when integrating δ13C and δ15N analysis and historical data.
Assuming that those difficulties are listed in the detailed comments below, we hope
they are now addressed in full as can be seen from the replies to follow. We have
also taken another go through the Discussion more generally and tried to make the
statements and comparisons clearer and more straightforward.
It follows some minor and major points that I suggest the authors amend:
MAIN TEXT:
MINOR:
- Indentation does not seem consistent across the main text and Supplementary Information
[e.g., Lines 103, 251, 299, 314]. The authors might want to consider this aspect throughout
the text.
Thank you for pointing this out, we have gone through the main text and the Supplementary
Information and fixed the indentation.
- The spacing when reporting results and samples’ numbers does not appear to be consistent
across the text. For example: (n = 49) [Line 401], (n=10) [Line 421], (n=51) [Line
439], (n = 142) [Line 463]; (t=1.894; df=141; p=0.06) [Line 472], (F = 6.381; df =
2; p =0.003) [Lines 438-439], (2.255; df = 2; p = 0.324) [Line 444]. The authors might
want to consider this aspect throughout the text.
Thank you for pointing this out, we have now added spaces before and after the mathematical
symbols (=, <, >, ±) in all cases for the sake of consistency.
- E.g. is reported sometimes with a comma, other times without a comma. For example:
(e.g., maize and millet) [Line 188] vs (e.g. meat, aquatic) [Lines 195-196].
Thank you for pointing this out, we have now removed the comma after “e.g.” so the
reporting is consistent in all cases.
- Lines 89-91 = The authors might want to give a range for the diverse chronology
– “Ancient Rus principalities (9th century AD), the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (13th
century ASD) and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (16th century AD)”.
Added ranges as suggested by both Reviewers, so the text now is:
“The time span of the sites covers the period from the 11th till the 18th centuries
AD, and is subdivided into three roughly equal periods corresponding to periods of
major state formation within the territory - Ancient Rus principalities (9-12th century
AD), the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (13-16th century AD) and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
(16-18th century AD).”
- Line 90 = Typo – “Lithuania (13th century ASD)”.
Thank you for pointing this out, we have fixed it now.
- Line 93 = Commoners vs elite – The definition appears a bit simplistic since nothing
prohibits that there were individuals with greater status or wealthier among the commoners
and vice versa.
This is a fair comment, and indeed there are a variety of ways one can define elites.
In essence we compare groups in our sample which were presumed to possess a certain
status (nobility) or occupation (military) by the archaeologists based on their context
of burial to the individuals from rural graveyards whose burial context was not singled
out as pointing to their status being different as a group. We find it to be an interesting
outcome that no differences in stable isotope values were observed between the presumed
elites while expected differences existed in the military subsample, and this information
might add further value to the interpretation of the position of this group in its
turn. To better reflect the above nuances, and because we do statistically compare
the ‘elite’ and ‘military’ subsamples only to contemporary rural samples, we have
made several changes to the text where it refers to ‘commoners’, and changed this
particular line to: “Our goal is to determine whether there were temporal dietary
changes brought by the associated political, economic, and social transition, both
in urban and rural settings, in male and female individuals, and between the groups
defined by archaeologists as nobility and military based on their burial context versus
the rural individuals. We note that this division is fairly simplistic and may not
always accurately reflect lived experience or status but, nevertheless, we believe
that some broad insights into social and political elements of diet in past Belarus
can be developed in this regard.”
- Lines 112-116 = Add reference or refer to SI – “Over the course of the period between
the 11th and 18th centuries, these formations included Ancient Rus, the Grand Duchy
of Lithuania (GDL), and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (PLC). The latter state
ceased to exist at end of the 18th century and the Polack region, as well as other
Belarusian lands, was gradually annexed by the Russian Empire”.
To address the comment of Reviewer 2 we have added more details about the state formations
from the SI now, including the corresponding references, which hopefully addresses
the comment of Reviewer 1 as well. The updated text now reads:
“The Polack Principality was the most prominent of the proto-states on the Belarusian
lands, having its own ruling dynasty and maintaining certain independence even when
it became part of larger territorial formations in this part of Eurasia [9,20]. Over
the course of the period between the 11th and 18th centuries, these formations included
Ancient Rus, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (GDL), and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
(PLC). Being one of the multiple states that together comprised Ancient Rus, the Polack
Principality was involved both in prospering trade and numerous military campaigns
and territorial changes [13,21]. Against the backdrop of battles with Tatar Mongols
and the Teutonic Order a new state formed in Eastern Europe in the middle of the 13th
century - the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and from the 14th century AD, the lands of
Polack became part of it. In the 15-16th centuries the culture of GDL was impacted
by the European Renaissance; cities, craft and education flourished [22]. In 1569
the GDL and Poland united into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the following
centuries were marked by devastating wars, depopulation and decline of the role of
Polack as a political and socio-economic centre [9]. The PLC ceased to exist at the
end of the 18th century when it was partitioned by Austria, Russia and Prussia, and
the Polack region, as well as other Belarusian lands, was gradually annexed by the
Russian Empire (refer to Supplementary Note 1 for more details on the historical background).”
- Lines 114-115 = “at end of the 18th century” – at the end.
Thank you for pointing this out, we have fixed it now.
- Lines 116-118 = Add reference – “As social identity is believed to be deeply embedded
in diet and consumption behaviours, these events might have been paralleled by dietary
changes”.
Added.
- Line 181 = “Stable isotope analysis and palaeodiet in Medieval eastern Europe” but
Poland dataset includes “2nd century AD to 10-18th centuries”.
We agree that this reference was inappropriate for the stated topic of the section,
and have now changed the line to: “For example, a series of isotope studies published
by Reitsema, Kozłowski and others [2,3] investigated palaeodiet in Poland for the
period ranging from Medieval Poland of the 10-14th centuries’ to the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth of the 16-18th centuries.”
- Line 232 = “Kurgan” – the authors might want to define the term.
Following the remarks of both Reviewers we have changed this line to “The human remains
analysed in this study originate from burial sites that include kurgan (burial mound)
and ground (pit burial) cemeteries in rural and urban environments.”
- Line 316 = The authors might want to add what types of other bone tissues were sampled
as reported in Supplementary Table 1.
Added: “Human bone collagen was sampled primarily from rib bones (92/100), and, in
several cases where ribs were lacking, from femur, fibula, ulna, and radius bones.“
- Line 397 = “Abandoned” – The authors might want to find another word.
We have changed the line to: “The animal sample which had a yield below 1% (Bir13-N2.01)
was excluded from the analysis even though its C:N ratio was within the acceptable
range of 2.9-3.6.”
- Line 435 = “Insignificant” – The authors might want to find another word.
We have changed to “not significant”.
- Line 448 = “Human bone collagen” – Human bone and dentine collagen.
Thank you for pointing this out, we have fixed the line as suggested.
- Line 463 = Typo – “Human (n = 142) mean δ13C values” – (n = 143).
Thank you for pointing this out, we have changed to “(n = 143)”.
- Line 531 = Add reference.
We have now added references to the ethnographic sources mentioned earlier in the
text.
- Line 550 = Add reference.
We have now added references to the studies discussing the fasting and fish consumption
mentioned earlier in the text.
- Lines 592-593 = “Polack inhabitants have δ15N values on average 0.5‰ higher than
villagers”– should be 0.4‰ (rural δ15N Mean: 10.0‰; urban δ15N Mean: 10.4‰).
Thank you for pointing this out, we have fixed the mistake.
- Lines 661-662 = “As can be seen from Figure 3” – maybe Figure 5.
Thank you for pointing this out, we have changed to “Figure 5”.
- Line 759 = “As is also seen” – As it is also seen.
Thank you for pointing this out, we have fixed the line as suggested.
MAJOR:
- Lines 339-340 = In Supplementary Table I, age-at-death is reported with very narrow
ranges (e.g., 55-60 or 45-50) mainly if this was estimated based on the cranial suture
closure observation only – “The age-at-death was assessed observing cranial suture
closure following Piontek [71]”.
We agree with that issue raised by Reviewer 1 and the Editor and address it in the
comment to the Editor above.
- Lines 344-345 = When estimating age-at-death based on dental wear patterns, the
authors might want to use (Lovejoy 1985) instead of (Brothwell 1981).
We would prefer to stick to Brothwell (1981) as the decision in favour of this method
was based on the fact that Brothwell's sample consisted of prehistoric to medieval
English skeletons while the Lovejoy method is based on a North American population
with hunter-gatherer diets. Therefore, the former is more population specific for
the medieval and early modern European material we are dealing with in this study.
At this present stage it is also not easily possible to return to the sampled remains
to re-do the analysis. We do however now note that more than one method is available
for this:
“In the collection of the Institute of History of the National Academy of Sciences,
postcranial skeletal elements were not available. Age was estimated using dental wear
patterns [88] coupled with analysis of the sphenooccipital synchondrosis fusion [89].
Our decision in favour of the age-at-death estimation method by Brothwell [88] was
based on the fact that Brothwell's sample consisted of prehistoric to Medieval English
skeletons while the later Lovejoy [90] method is based on a North American population
with hunter-gatherer diets. Therefore, the former is more population specific for
the Medieval and Early Modern European material we are dealing with in this study.”
- Lines 531-534 = The authors might want to reconsider this sentence. I am not entirely
sure we can relate 19th-20th century ethnographic sources with what happened in the
11th-13th and 13th-16th century.
We are not sure what the Reviewer means in this case. The sentence in question is
“Given that the picture of meat appearing on the peasants’ table on festive occasions
was drawn primarily from ethnographic sources [21,26,27], which relate to the 19-20th
centuries, this might suggest that animal protein before that time was actually more
common in the diet of commoners“. Therefore, it is meant to contrast the 19-20th century
available data to the earlier situation, not to use one to prove or disprove the other.
We have now added a few further clarifications here:
“Given that the classic picture of meat appearing on the peasants’ table on festive
occasions was drawn primarily from ethnographic sources [26,31,32], which only relate
to the 19-20th centuries, our isotopic data might suggest that animal protein before
that time was actually more common in the diet of commoners“
- Lines 502-507 = The sentence is slightly unclear and imprecise. Additionally, the
authors might want to explain better what type of omnivores were considered.
We are grateful to the Reviewer for raising this concern. For greater clarity and
precision we have changed the sentence to ‘A comparison of domestic omnivore (pig)
δ13C and δ15N between sites and chronological periods indicates no statistically significant
differences, while the domestic herbivore sub-sample showed a slight, statistically
significant increase in δ13C between the groups of sites dated to the 11-13th centuries
AD and the other two periods.”
- Lines 590-614 = The interpretation is slightly unclear – maybe the authors want
to consider reframing this part and contextualising it more clearly. I also think
that the sentence “Considering that this is a more expensive source of energy, it
might mirror the important economic role of Polack in reflecting the generally higher
living standards and food security of its inhabitants” might be an overstatement since
0.4‰ (general urban vs rural) or 0.5‰ (13th-16th century) is a too little shift.
Text: “In terms of the comparison between city and village populations, we can see
that urban or rural settings did not have too much of a major role in determining
diet, at least at the resolution of isotopic analysis. Polack inhabitants have δ15N
values on average 0.5‰ higher than villagers. This small difference is significant
only in the 13-16th centuries; however it is notable that at least the urban herbivores
at this time have lower δ15N values. A possible explanation is a slightly higher proportion
of animal or freshwater fish protein in the urban diet, which could have been more
available in such an important economic centre as Polack. The reason why the difference
is visible only between the 13th and 16th centuries may be due to the fact that prior
to this point the differentiation between the town and countryside was yet emerging,
with the majority of city dwellers engaged in agriculture and husbandry [9]. The lack
of significant difference between rural and urban samples in the 16th - 18th centuries
may reflect the econimic decline of Polack due to constant military conflicts and
raids on northern Belarus by Russian troops that became regular since the 1510s, and
in particular the Livonian War of the second half of the 16th century - all of which
resulted in the influx of rural population [9], potentially contributing to the observed
similarity between the diests of the inhabitants of Polack and the surrounding countryside.
Despite the initial proposition that urban diets could be more heterogeneous due to
obtaining food from markets where not only strictly local but more distant and even
foreign foods could be available, urban dwellers seem to, overall, cluster rather
tightly, in a similar manner to the rural communities.”
- Lines 623-647 = When discussing “what factors could have caused this shift” in δ13C
and δ15N values after the 16th century, there is a bit of overreaching when explaining
the possible increase in millet consumption. The authors might want to reconsider
this aspect.
We agree and have now reduced this portion of the discussion to leave it more equivocal
as follows:
“However, as the change seen following the 16th century cannot be explained by other
parameters such as the environmental baseline (it showed a different pattern) or the
variable nature of the samples dated to various periods (a similar pattern is preserved
if rural and urban or male and female groups of individuals are compared separately
by period), it is important to discuss what factors could have caused this shift.
If the δ15N values are simplistically interpreted as greater access to a higher trophic
or aquatic protein source, then the slight increase of them in the time of the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth would be in line with the picture of the “Golden Age”, not only for the
highest strata of the society but also more broadly across the population. The simultaneous
increase in δ13C values in the period following the formation of the Polish-Lithuanian
Commonwealth may also reflect the adoption of 13C-enriched fish into the diet by part
of the population, which would be consistent both with the reported adoption of some
marine imports into the menu of the nobility and with the striking reliance on such
fish reported by Reitsema et al. [2] among Polish nobility of the same time period.
Finally, the increase in human δ13C values could indicate higher millet consumption
in this period. This would perhaps fit with increased reliance on millet during the
adverse weather events of 1600-1603 and the influence of the Little Ice Age, and the
aforementioned constant military conflicts starting from the early 16th century, which
destroyed harvests among other things and undermined the economic contributions of
the territory [34,100]. That said, the corresponding change in δ15N would perhaps
imply that aquatic resources are the more likely contributors. Overall, human diets
remain remarkably consistent between social groups and between time periods from an
isotopic perspective.”
FIGURES:
- Fig. 1 Legend – The authors might want to consider adding in the legend the dates
in the format reported in the text (e.g., 11-13th AD). The authors might want to consider
spacing the legend animal-period from human-period a bit more.
We have applied the recommended changes reporting dates as “11-13th c. AD” and increasing
the spacing in the legend.
- Fig. 3 Caption – The authors might want to consider inserting δ13C and δ15N (e.g.,
Plot of δ13C and δ15N values of human and animal samples compared by period).
Thank you for the proposition, we have changed the caption to the line suggested by
the Reviewer.
- Fig. 3 Legend – The figure appears slightly hard to read – the authors might want
to consider giving the same colour for each period and the same shape for each species.
For example:
GREEN 11th-13th
YELLOW 13th -16th
RED 16th -18th
TRIANGLES: HUMAN
CIRCLE: HERBIVORES etc.
According to the comments by both reviewers we have now significantly simplified this
figure by changing individual data points for animals to mean values and splitting
them by period only where it would make a meaningful comparison (where the sample
dated to each period would be >=5). We have also given the same colour to each period
and shape to each species as recommended by Reviewer 1.
- Fig. 5 Caption – The authors might want to consider inserting δ13C and δ15N (e.g.,
Plots of δ13C and δ15N values of herbivores, omnivores, carnivores, birds, and fish
from the three countries (Belarus, Lithuania, Poland).
Thank you for the proposition, we have changed the caption to the line suggested by
the Reviewer.
- Fig. 5 Legend – The authors might want to consider inserting different colours for
different countries.
We have now inserted different colours for different countries.
- Fig. 6 Caption – The authors might want to consider inserting δ13C and δ15N (e.g.,
Plot of δ13C and δ15N of human samples from sites in Belarus, Lithuania and Poland).
Thank you for the proposition, we have changed the caption to the line suggested by
the Reviewer.
- Fig. 6 Legend – The authors might want to consider inserting the same colour and
different shapes for different sites from the same country. Also, the authors may
want to specify in what country are the specific sites in the legend to make it more
clear to the readers: e.g., Kałdus (Poland), Alytus (Lithuania).
We have now given the same colour to each country and different shapes to different
sites within it, and added the countries to the legend.
- As much as possible, the authors should consider using an aspect ratio close to
1 for graphs. In the authors’ version there is an apparent overestimate of the δ13C
variability.
This is indeed a fair comment and we thank Reviewer 1 for pointing out this problem.
We have now changed the aspect ratio in all figures to 1.
TABLES:
- Supplementary Table 1 – Number of adolescents is unclear.
We have now changed the column with age ranges in this table to contain only the broad
definitions “adult” or “adolescent” following the remarks regarding the unjustifiably
narrow age ranges. This should hopefully also make the number of adolescents clear
in this table.
REFERENCES
- Line 1051 = Brothwell DR. Digging up bones : the excavation, treatment and study
of human skeletal remains. 3rd ed.. British Museum; 1981.
We are not sure what the Reviewer meant by this comment, unless it referred to the
double dot after “3rd ed”, which we now deleted.
- Reference n. 84 is repeated twice [Line 1083 main text – Line 757 SI].
Thank you for pointing it out, we have fixed the numbering in Supplementary Information.
Now it starts from 106 due to the overall changes to the text and addition of some
references.
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Reviewer 2
I welcome this paper which is concerned with medieval Belarus, a region of Europe
which, as is rightfully made the point by the authors, has not just been understudied
but has also been (albeit unconsciously) somewhat dismissed by bioarchaeological research.
The article makes a valuable contribution, not just on account of the large new C&N
isotope dataset it offers but also because the study is well contextualised with literature
from the region which is otherwise not easily accessible to many researchers.
We would like to thank Reviewer 2 for their highly positive comments on our manuscript.
We are glad they find our data to be valuable and also that they find the compilation
of the literature from the region to be important.
I am therefore very much in favour of the paper being published and believe methods
and data interpretation are overall sound, although in several points, this is not
easy for me to validate, because of the confusing way that the paper (and data) is
presented. Some of this appears to be simply “lost in translation” and should be easily
rectified by a thorough edit by one of the native English speakers among the authors.
Other issues require a little more work. In general, I would encourage a bold restructuring
of this paper, with much greater focus on clarity and brevity and moving much more
of the overly detailed information into the SI.
For ease of reference, I have made a large number of comments and suggestions directly
in the pdf. I believe most of the Discussion is sound but findings should be revalidated
once data analysis (including Figures) have been revised.
As a general point, most of the Figures/data-plots are far too full and confusing
at this moment – and this is before they have been reduced in size to fit on an A4
page. I have several suggestions in the pdf, but figures need attention in general.
We thank the Reviewer for all of these comments. In what follows, we hope to show
that we have acted on all of their suggestions and greatly appreciate them.
Suggestions from pdf:
- Line 49-50 = Meanwhile?
We are not sure what the Reviewer meant by this comment, but we assume that the choice
of the word “meanwhile” was considered inappropriate, so we have now changed it to
“in particular”.
"The Medieval period of Europe witnessed a series of major economic, political, and
social changes, including the rise of Christian states, the expansion of urban networks
together with facilitated disease transmission, the intensification of hierarchies
and wealth inequality, and increased access to non-local resources [1–4]. While these
broader processes are well-documented historically and archaeologically, their impacts
on local populations in different parts of Europe are often more obscure, particularly
given that archival records are often biased towards elite communities [1,4,5]. In
particular, eastern Europe, located beyond the geographic scope of Roman Christianization,
has also received less attention and is often considered to be poorer, less developed,
and less “European” [5]."
- Line 59 = ethnicities
Changed “ethnoses” to “ethnicities” as suggested
- Line 59-61 = clarify: do you mean in relation to bioarchaeology or are you suggesting
that noone, medieval historians included have ever looked at any of these issues?
Thank you for pointing this out, we have changed the text to clarify as follows:
“Being part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, at its height the largest state in Medieval
Europe, and described in the literature as a melting pot of ethnicities, religions
and cultures [11], the region thus remains a yet untapped opportunity to explore issues
pertaining to identity, equality, human agency, resilience and adaptation to socio-political
transitions in the Medieval world through the use of the state-of-the-art methods
offered by bioarchaeology.”
- Line 67 = define in terms of centuries for your area. I would not have thought you
cover the early medieval period, but boundaries may well be different in your region
We have added the explanation of the periodization we use as follows:
“The time span of the sites covers the period from the 11th till the 18th centuries
AD, and is subdivided into three roughly equal periods corresponding to periods of
major state formation within the territory - Ancient Rus principalities (9-12th century
AD), the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (13-16th century AD) and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
(16-18th century AD). We refer to them as High, Late Medieval and Early Modern periods
following the general division accepted in European history here, though we admit
the local variation of this periodization. ”
However in this case “Early Medieval” was taken from the reference (where it referred
to the 9-10th centuries). Admitting that the periodization may vary not only within
Eastern Europe, but within one country (e.g. in Belarus there is a debate how to define
the local periodization of the Middle Ages and the propositions vary greatly in terms
of centuries to which they refer), we have decided to avoid engaging in this discussion
and following this comment we have changed the line in question as follows:
“While yielding high levels of detail on cuisine and foodstuffs consumed, written
records are still virtually nonexistent for the first centuries of the 1st millennium
in certain parts of eastern Europe [9,12,13] and, where available, historical documentation
revolves around social and religious elite groups [5].”
- Line 70 = Revise: this depends entirely on the time it took to accumulate the context
in question, doesn't it? More often, archaeological contexts relate to extended periods
rather than 'moments'
We agree with the reviewer that this phrasing is misleading. To better reflect the
nature of zooarchaeological and archaeobotanical limitations as pointed out by Reviewer
2, we have changed the text according to this and the next comment:
“Zooarchaeological and archaeobotanical data speak to the specific foodstuffs available
for a given, context-based window of time but do not necessarily provide insights
into the long-term dietary reliance of an individual [12]. They are also limited by
taphonomic biases [14] and retrieval techniques, and are not always capable of showing
how available resources were distributed within the population through time [3].“
- Line 72-73 = again, I disagree. You can contrast assemblages from different contexts
(e.g. high and low status sites, urban vs rural). A lot can be done there.
Assemblages certainly provide information down to community (i.e. site) level
We agree with Reviewer 2 that such possibilities exist, in this case we rather meant
to give an example where the authors of a study found such a challenge, rather than
to say that it is impossible to study how resources were distributed within the population
through archaeological context, at least indirectly. Therefore, we have changed the
wording as shown in the reply to the previous comment.
- Line 84 = is everyone buried in a rural graveyard a 'peasant' - perhaps define the
term / explain in more detail in your methods section and use a more neutral term
here.
Even if they are all peasants, this is a large and heterogeneous group in the Middle
Ages
We thank the reviewer for this criticism and have now changed the term to more neutral
“individuals from rural graveyards“, “rural dwellers/commoners/sample”, or “village
population” throughout the text to address it.
- Line 86 = contemporaneous
Changed “contemporary” to “contemporaneous” as suggested
- Line 89-91 = clarify: This suggests that your 'periods' only cover one century each
= and the first one even a century you do not have samples from.
I assume you mean 9th-12th, 13th to 15th and 16-18th centuries, but this needs to
be clear
You need to provide some context to explain these terms (see below)
Added periods as suggested by both Reviewers, so the text now is:
“The time span of the sites covers the period from the 11th till the 18th centuries
AD, and is subdivided into three roughly equal periods, corresponding to periods of
major state formation within the territory - Ancient Rus principalities (9-12th century
AD), the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (13-16th century AD) and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
(16-18th century AD).”
Further details about the context were added as suggested and replied in the below
comments.
- Line 105-106 = explain what this phrase relates to and where it derives from
Changed the text to: Formed on the trans-European trade route “from the Varangians
to the Greeks”, described in the Russian Primary Chronicle as connecting Scandinavia
(Varangians) with Byzantium [18,19], the city of Polack (also Polatsk, Polotsk; official
transliteration from the Belarusian language is used here for Belarusian toponyms
and names, spelled with Belarusian Latin alphabet) was the major trade, political
and cultural centre of the region [7,9].
- Line 109 =
Added “The Polack Principality”
- Line 113-114 = Details on these are needed. I can see that you have a lot in the
SI but this is not referred to here and also you need to give at least a very short
overview of the main themes and socio-economic changes here. The article has to make
sense for readers without referring to the SI.
Changed the text as follows:
“The Polack Principality was the most prominent of the proto-states on the Belarusian
lands, having its own ruling dynasty and maintaining certain independence even when
it became part of larger territorial formations in this part of Eurasia [9,20]. Over
the course of the period between the 11th and 18th centuries, these formations included
Ancient Rus, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania (GDL), and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
(PLC). Being one of the multiple states that together comprised Ancient Rus, the Polack
Principality was involved both in prospering trade and numerous military campaigns
and territorial changes [13,21]. Against the backdrop of battles with Tatar Mongols
and the Teutonic Order a new state formed in Eastern Europe in the middle of the 13th
century - the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and from the 14th century AD, the lands of
Polack became part of it. In the 15-16th centuries the culture of GDL was impacted
by the European Renaissance; cities, craft and education flourished [22]. In 1569
the GDL and Poland united into the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, and the following
centuries were marked by devastating wars, depopulation and decline of the role of
Polack as a political and socio-economic centre [9]. The PLC ceased to exist at the
end of the 18th century when it was partitioned by Austria, Russia and Prussia, and
the Polack region, as well as other Belarusian lands, was gradually annexed by the
Russian Empire (refer to Supplementary Note 1 for more details on the historical background).”
- Line 126-127 = Unnecessarily complicated. Better?: Rye, followed by wheat, barley
and oats were the most common cereals
Thank you for the suggestion, we have now changed the text from “Wheat, barley and
oats followed rye in popularity [10,24,25,28], along with garden crops like cabbage
and turnip [7,20,28-30].” to “Rye, followed by wheat, barley and oats were the most
popular cereals [10,29,30,33], while garden crops like cabbage and turnip were also
common [7,25,33–35].”
- Line 128-129 = Consider taphonomic reasons for this (millet tends to be underrepresented
in charred assemblages), see Roesch M, Jacomet, S, Karg, S (1992) Veget Hist Archaeobot
1: 193 -231
Make point that this makes it even more important to investigate through isotope analysis.
Thank you for this idea for improvement, we have now added the consideration of taphonomic
bias, the new reference, and the note on importance of isotope analysis. Now the text
is as follows:
“By contrast, millets appear in rather negligible quantities among charred grain finds
and continue to decrease in number over the period of our focus [29], though some
authors name millets as a widely grown crop and even one of the main foods in Ancient
Rus [7,33]. As millet was found to be underrepresented in charred grain assemblages
[36], this may also be due to taphonomic reasons. In such a light, isotope analysis
can provide a means to directly validate the extent of consumption of millets.”
- Line 166-167 = what do you mean by "marginal"? Something that isotope analysis would
not pick up? Rephrase
As before: would avoid the term peasant
We have rephrased the sentence as follows: “Therefore, if differences based on access
to rare foreign foods existed between rural and urban dwellers, they were likely rather
negligible and more applicable to wealthy citizens than commoners.”
- Line 168-169 = Again, rephrase (no such thing as "abundant nutrition")
Also: nutrition is not the same as diet.
Changed “nutrition” to “diet”.
- Line 179 = End with an assessment of which distinctions you might be able to pick
up in the isotope record
We have now added the following text at the end of this paragraph:
“Stable carbon and nitrogen isotope anlaysis may shed light on some aspects of the
diet described above, such as the dominance of plant-based diets and the differing
access to animal protein among various groups like elites, rural and urban dwellers.
It has also proven useful in detecting the consumption of millets and fish, while
potential enrichment in 15N of domestic species may support the use of manure on crops
that they would then subsequently feed. Other changes in diet, such as increased incorporation
of imported foods may be only observed if these foods were isotopically distinguishable
- for example, marine products.”
- Line 224 = better: little evidence for
Thank you for the proposition, we have changed “low fish consumption” to “little evidence
for fish consumption”.
- Line 232 = I expect this one is common knowledge,but still clarify what a kurgan
is in brackets after the term.
Not a term I am familiar with. flat graves? simple earth graves?
Following the remarks of both Reviewers we have changed this line to “The human remains
analysed in this study originate from burial sites that include kurgan (burial mound)
and ground (pit burial) cemeteries in rural and urban environments.”
- Line 241 = ?? in what form?
Here we meant the crosses that Christians wear on the neck, and which are also rarely
found in Christian burials along with the lack of other goods. Since the Reviewer
found this line confusing, we have removed the mention of crosses as this information
was not important for the study. The updated line sounds as follows:
“During most of the period of our focus, in the 14-18th centuries AD, the deceased
were interred without any grave goods [52,54].“
- Line 241-246 = Give detail on the nature of the rural settlements that belong to
the cemeteries. Refer to Table 1 here.
To address this and the below comment referring to Line 251-264, we have added a paragraph
with clarification to the new “Burial custom: kurgan (mound) and ground (earth/pit
burials)” section in the Supplementary Information:
“Unfortunately, only in the case of Polack can the described cemeteries be directly
related to the settlement, while in case of the other sites no such data is available
in publications. They are therefore defined as rural based on the lack of any known
urban settlements in their vicinity, contrary to sites like Polack where the city
still exists or is known to have previously existed based on archival or archaeological
data (for example the ground cemetery near the village of Pašavičy, which is referred
to as urban due to the archaeologically-documented early medieval city nearby [70].
Therefore, we describe only the rural cemetery sites without reference to rural settlements
below.”
We have added a reference to Table 1, now the text is as follows:
“Rural cemeteries that provide the sample of village population in this study include
Biruli, Domžarycy, Doŭhaje, Dubraŭka, Dzmitraŭščyna, Ivieś, Kazloŭcy, Klieščyno, Michalinava,
Padsvillie, Pieravoz-4, Sielišča, Skrabianiec, Vaŭča and Ziabki (Table 1). Fig 1 shows
a map of the sampled sites grouped into the three periods (11-13th, 13-16th, 16-18th
centuries AD) of major state formation mentioned above (Ancient Rus, the GDL, the
PLC).”
- Line 248-250 = Figure 1: I don’t expect this figure is good enough quality to be
reproduced and would encourage for it to be redrawn, rather than just using a Google
Maps screenshot with overlays.
As a minimum, however, use an English-language map and add some major landmarks for
orientation (e.g. Minsk).
Revise legend to English (cc for ‘centuries AD’ is not any form I recognise). Use
lines to connect labels with points on the map. Very difficult to understand what
belongs where.
Change colours, so that the same colour indicate the same time scales – human and
faunal samples are still indicated by different symbols.
We have applied the recommended changes using a contour map, adding some landmarks,
revising the legend, adding lines to connect labels with points on the map, and changing
colours to be the same for the same period.
- Line 251-264 = Move detail into a 'site gazetteer' in the SI and report the most
important info in Table 1.
More important here to give some general information about the nature and economy
of the settlements in general and any change over time (or clarification that we lack
this kind of information)
Since these details are present in the Supplementary Information and Table 1 contains
the dating and type of cemetery, we have changed the paragraph in question to a single
line as suggested: “The dating and cemetery types of each site along with the number
of individuals excavated and sampled from them can be found in Table 1”.
Regarding the nature of the settlements see the previous reply to Line 241-246.
- Line 276 = add a column for site type: urban/rural, possibly high or low status?
cc AD is not an abbreviation I recognise.
We have now added a column with site type (urban/rural) and burial context (rather
than status to accommodate the military sub-sample in it) to Table 1.
We have replaced the abbreviation “cc” for centuries with “c. AD" or "c." in all places.
Report individuals sampled next to how many individuals were identified in each cemetery
in total, to give an idea of how representative your sampling is
We have now added such information to Table 1 (see reply to the first comment of the
Editor).
- Line 289-290 = I don't know what this means. Rephrase to clarify
For clarity we have changed the line to: “The Township was the ancient centre of Polack,
which was turned into a cemetery in the 17-18th centuries AD. This cemetery was excavated
in 2007 and 2009 and is interpreted as being Catholic from the scarce inventory of
burial goods uncovered.”
- Line 298 = Clarify that many of the faunal remains are not actually from the same
sites as the human remains
To clarify this we have changed the paragraph as follows:
“Due to the fact that the exact isotopic ratios at the base of the food chain can
vary across space and time as a product of various environmental and economic parameters
it is necessary to sample contemporaneous fauna to fully understand and interpret
the human results [15]. Part of the animal sample in this study originates from the
same sites as human remains - the city of Polack (Lower Castle and Upper Castle) and
the settlement site and one of the kurgans of Biruli. The rest of the animal remains
come from other sites associated with the Polack Principality territory - Lučna (15-17th
centuries AD) and Čarscviady (11-12th centuries AD), rural sites that hosted nobility
residences, and the Mienka township (10-11th centuries AD) (Table 2). Fauna was identified
by Dr. Urszula Iwaszczuk and Vera Haponava using the reference collection at the Institute
of Mediterranean and Oriental Cultures of the Polish Academy of Sciences and a standard
zoological reference work [81,82].”
- Line 310 = Give detail on species sampled or at least trophic category (e.g. wild/domesticated
herbivores, omnivores, freshwater fish).
Species can then be in SI, if needed (I believe they are) - although would prefer
them here for ease of reference.
We have now added a column with a list of species to this table.
- Line 313 = Clarify: What proportion of individuals from the sites were sampled?
Following the related comments from both Reviewers and the Editor we have now added
the information about the number of individuals excavated in each site where it was
available to Table 1, therefore we hope this comment is now also covered. We have
also added the proportion of individuals sampled to this line:
“A total of 100 human bones and 43 human teeth were sampled in this study, representing
5-100%, on average 44%, of the (known) excavated individuals at each site (refer to
Table 1 for the numbers and to Supplementary Note 3 for the explanation of how the
numbers were counted).”
- Line 374-375 = one or two s.d.? (Here and for data above). You state below that
you used 2 sd throughout but that seems unlikely here?
Thank you for this observation, indeed we report 1 standard deviation here, therefore
now we have clarified it in the paragraph (and separately in other places where we
use different std.dev.):
“Samples were combusted in a Thermo Scientific Flash 2000 Elemental Analyser coupled
to a Thermo Delta V Advantage Mass Spectrometer at the Isotope Laboratory, Max Planck
Institute for the Science of Human History (Jena, Germany). All isotopic measurements
refer to the ratio between heavy and light isotope (13C/12C or 15N/14N) measured as
δ values in parts per mil (‰) calibrated using a two-point calibration between a series
of International Standards (IAEA-N-2 Ammonium Sulfate: δ15N = +20.3 ± 0.2‰, USGS40
L-Glutamic Acid: δ13C = −26.389 ± 0.042‰, δ15N = −4.5 ± 0.1‰, IAEA-CH-6 Sucrose: δ13C
= −10.449 ± 0.03‰) and in-house laboratory standards (fish gelatin: δ13C = −15.7 ±
0.1‰, δ15N = −14.3 ± 0.1‰; Urea: δ13C = −41.30 ± 0.04‰, δ15N = −0.32 ± 0.2‰; ± 1 standard
deviation is reported here). All samples were measured in duplicate. Analytical error
was studied through the repeated measurement of an in-house fish gelatin standard
(-15.7 ± 0.3‰ for δ13C and 14.3 ± 0.2‰ for δ15N; ± 1 std. dev.).”
- Line 377-381 = I would consider using non-parametric tests as a standard. There
is no reason to expect isotope data to be normally distributed
We have considered this approach and though we agree that there is no reason to expect
the isotope data to be normally distributed, however, we expect that not using non-parametric
tests as a standard should not have had any negative effects on the quality of the
analysis, especially given that they are generally considered less powerful than their
parametric counterparts and are often used as a standard approach in similar studies
based on stable isotopes (e.g. Riccomi et al., 2020; Hofman-Kamińska et al., 2018
PLOS ONE publication; Lightfoot et al., 2012; Reitsema et al., 2010). We have made
no assumptions regarding the normal or not normal distribution, but checked if the
distribution of data is close to normal in every sample group and applied the appropriate
test accordingly.
- Line 388 = Perhaps in the text but not in the tables, as far as I can see? Better
clarify each time you quote s.d.s
Indeed, as Reviewer 2 rightly noticed, the columns “SD” in the Tables 3 and 4 report
1 SD, while 2 SDs are reported throughout the text. To make it clearer we have changed
the columns’ titles to “1 SD” and changed the line in question to “Means are reported
± 2 standard deviations in the below text, unless indicated otherwise (e.g. in figures
and tables)“.
- Line 394 = Clarify presumably, you excluded below 1%?.
This information was included further in the same paragraph, but we have tried to
make it clearer by changing it as follows:
“Collagen yields in the whole sample ranged from 0.002 to 26.36%. The animal sample
which had a yield below 1% (Bir13-N2.01) was excluded from the analysis though its
C:N ratio was within the acceptable range of 2.9-3.6. Three more animal samples were
excluded from the analysis as their C:N ratio was outside of the acceptable range
of 2.9-3.6 (Bir13-N5-6.02, Bir14-N1A.01, and PUC16-NV2.3.03). Therefore, the final
number of samples used in the analyses was 244 out of 248 (Table S2).”
I would move the detailed discussion of what you excluded and why into SI and only
report broad principles and numbers here.
Unless the Editor objects, we would prefer to keep this paragraph as it is rather
short (9 lines) and it is not worth creating a new Supplementary Information section
out of it, while including the information about the preservation parameters applied
to samples and the criteria for exclusion is rather standard for similar papers.
- Line 394 = ?? This is more collagen than present in fresh bone?
Such collagen yield could be a preservation factor, such as increased demineralisation
and preferential loss of inorganic component in some burial environments (e.g. Turner-Walker
et al. 2006 experimentally showed that in humid and cold conditions collagen yield
increases in bone) or a basic laboratory error when weighing the collagen (e.g. a
bit of parafilm stuck on the tube when it was weighed). Given that collagen yield
is dependent on such factors and all the other quality criteria, particularly C/N
ratio are in range, we have not excluded such samples.
- Line 400 = No need to repeat all the statistics that are already summarised in Table
3. Can make better use of your words here.
I am concerned that you at least appear to simply pool groups of animals without prior
testing whether there are differences between species or testing for differences between
sites and regions. This is even though we might expect differences based on soil type
and you told us earlier, that there are suggestions that manuring was more important
in the south than the north, so you might expect differences.
Testing for regional variation is arguably more important than just testing for differences
between pooled urban and rural groups, especially since animals found in urban deposits
were more often than not raised in the countryside.
You can move some of these comparisons into the SI but need to make them.
P.S. Having read on, I see that you do make site comparisons below. I would move this
up to not confuse readers and make sure that the summary statistics are included in
Tables and that data from different sites are compared in a figure (Can be SI)
Thank you for bringing out this point - as a cumulative response to several comments
from Reviewer 2 we have restructured this section, removing the descriptive statistics
from the text and leaving them in the tables, adding the descriptive statistics by
site to the Table 3 and description of how several of the sites were grouped to the
table’s title. Now the initial description is limited to:
“The descriptive statistics (range, mean, standard deviation and median) for animal
groups by feeding category (i.e. herbivore, omnivore), time period, species and site
can be found in Table 3, while the plot of the animal δ13C and δ15N values is shown
in Fig 2. Wild species in our sample included beaver, hare, bison, elk, red deer and
wild bird. All excluding the unidentified wild bird are herbivorous animals (n = 8).
Birds (n = 10) are mostly represented by chicken, but also geese and birds only defined
to the level of ‘galliformes’ or wild bird. The fish (two pikes and one unidentified
species) bone samples provide approximate δ13C and δ15N for available freshwater resources.
Freshwater, anadromous and marine species from studies conducted in Poland and Lithuania
serve to complete the picture of potential food sources in this study.”
This is followed by Table 3 and by the results of the statistical tests: inter-site
and by period comparisons, and comparison between wild and domestic herbivores.
We have also added a new Figure S1 to the Supplementary Information, comparing animal
samples from different sites and humans from rural and urban sites, with the following
caption:
“Supplementary Fig 1. Plot of δ13C and δ15N values of human and animal samples (mean
± 1 std. dev.; individual values for groups where n < 6) grouped by sites. Due to
the low number of animal samples from some sites, samples from Čarscviady were considered
in the statistical tests and are shown here in a group with Lučna, and Polack Upper
Castle together with Lower Castle. Human samples are shown in the two groups which
are discussed in the text (all rural sites versus all urban/Polack sites).”
- Line 401 = Clarify: are there differences between species (cattle and sheep/goat?)
or between different regions/sites?
Also per the comment above we have brought forward the information regarding inter-site
comparisons, followed by comparison across time periods and wild/domestic species.
We hope this is now all clearer.
We have also added a remark about the differences between species in results and discussion:
“As for the inter-species comparison, while a Kruskal–Wallis test again shows no differences
between cattle, sheep/goat and horse/pony in δ15N values (H = 5.271; df = 2; p = 0.072;
Table S8), the horse/pony group is 1‰ lower in δ13C than cattle and this difference
is significant based on a Kruskal–Wallis test (H = 9.301; df = 2; p = 0.010; Table
S7 for post-hoc tests).”
“As for the 1‰ difference in δ13C between horse/pony and cattle, similar lower δ13C
values in horses in comparison to cattle and sheep/goats were found in other studies
and interpreted as related to differences in pasturing strategies between species
or as potentially caused by metabolic processes [94–96]. This difference may contribute
to the higher δ13C values observed among domestic fauna in the 11-13th centuries,
as the proportion of fauna represented by cattle is the biggest for this period (n
= 18 compared to 8 in 13-16th centuries and 2 in the 16-18th centuries), while both
horse and cattle samples are rather evenly distributed among sites.”
- Line 403 = it is important to tell us the species here, as they will all have different
ecologies that may explain the isotope values
We have now added the list of species to the text: “Wild species in our sample included
beaver, hare, bison, elk, red deer and wild bird. All excluding the unidentified wild
bird are herbivorous animals (n = 8).”
- Line 408 = Preface statistics with which test you used here (and for other tests,
too). I suggest you round t to a reasonable number of digits
Thank you for pointing out, we have rounded the t value in this line to 3 decimal
points as everywhere else.
We have also satisfied the request regarding prefacing statistics with the name of
the test in addition to quoting the test statistic in each case.
- Line 410 = leave interpretation to discussion
Deleted the interpretative part of the sentence “perhaps linked to the consumption
of manured crops.”
- Line 414-415 = I expect this will be properly formated for the final submission?
Adding gridlines would help.
Table should detail summary statistics by species, then, if you want, a pooled value.
Should also give statistics for different sites. Can move into SI, if needed.
We have fixed the format of the table (both Tables 3 and 4 and the Supplementary Tables
1 and 2) by adding gridlines and bold headers where they were lacking. We have also
added the statistics for different sites in a way similar to periods and for species
where n>=5 to Table 3.
- Line 417-424 = Move information into table
Done.
- Line 431-432 = which herbivores? Be clear what you are comparing
Added “domestic herbivores” everywhere in the paragraph.
- Line 432-433 = where are results of post-hoc tests?
We have now added these details to the paragraph as follows:
“When faunal δ13C and δ15N across sites are compared, only differences in δ13C among
domestic herbivores appear to be significant based on one-way ANOVA (F = 7.102; df
= 3; p < 0.001). However, the differences appear to be ‘site-based’ and do not simply
fall along a rural and urban division: in particular, post-hoc Bonferroni tests (Table
S3) show that the Polack sites and rural sites with nobility residences Lučna and
Čarscviady exhibit lower δ13C values than the rural site Biruli and the township Mienka
(Table 3, Fig S6).”
We have also added post-hoc tests’ results to the Supplementary Information.
- Line 433-434 = indeed (see my comment above) - refer your reader to where they can
see the descriptive statistics and graph for these differences.
We have now added the descriptive statistics by site to Table 3, a reference to it
and to the plot with comparisons among sites in this line.
Also, again, be clear what you actually compared: presumably domestic herbivores only
from the different sites?
We now refer to “domestic herbivores” across the whole paragraph, so this should hopefully
be clear. E.g. the next line looks like:
“At the same time, differences in the domestic herbivore δ15N values, not significant
when compared with Kruskal–Wallis test between the groups of sites mentioned above
(H = 6.052; df = 3; p = 0.109; Table S4), are significant at the level of the rural
to urban sites comparison based on a two-sample t-test (t = 2.342; df = 33.568; p
= 0.025). The δ15N of rural domestic herbivores is on average 0.8‰ higher than that
of urban fauna; the effect size of this difference in nitrogen isotope values was
moderate to large (Hedges' g = 0.7).”
- Line 435 = ??? I don't know what that means.
We have changed the line to:
“At the same time, differences in the domestic herbivore δ15N values, not significant
when compared with Kruskal–Wallis test between the groups of sites mentioned above
(H = 6.052; df = 3; p = 0.109; Table S4), are significant at the level of the rural
to urban sites comparison based on a two-sample t-test (t = 2.342; df = 33.568; p
= 0.025). The δ15N of rural domestic herbivores is on average 0.8‰ higher than that
of urban fauna; the effect size of this difference in nitrogen isotope values was
moderate to large (Hedges' g = 0.7).“, which should hopefully be clearer.
- Line 437 = on average
Added “on average”.
I would test for effect size here, as t-tests are very susceptible to large sample
sizes when it comes to isotope data and a difference of <1 permil is not a lot of
for d15N values..
This may be a lot more convincing in a plot of the data, of course.
We have now added the effect size measures to the t-test results and changed the line
accordingly:
“At the same time, differences in the domestic herbivore δ15N values, not significant
when compared with Kruskal–Wallis test between the groups of sites mentioned above
(H = 6.052; df = 3; p = 0.109; Table S4), are significant at the level of the rural
to urban sites comparison based on a two-sample t-test (t = 2.342; df = 33.568; p
= 0.025). The δ15N of rural domestic herbivores is on average 0.8‰ higher than that
of urban fauna; the effect size of this difference in nitrogen isotope values was
moderate to large (Hedges' g = 0.7). “
We have also added the description of this calculation to the “Statistical analysis”
section of the “”Materials and methods”:
“To assess the magnitude of differences in the mean values for the independent samples
t-test with varying sample sizes and standard deviations, we calculated the effect
size index Hedges' g with the online software Social Science Statistics [92].”
The comparisons between sites are now plotted in Figure S1.
- Line 437-441 = Once again clear what you compare: presumably these are still domestic
herbivores, as you would not just pool all domestic animals from one period regardless
of species.
Thank you for pointing out this discrepancy; as we have checked, we indeed compared
the pooled sample of domestic animals in this instead of the domestic herbivor sample
as everywhere else. We have recalculated the statistics and changed the corresponding
results and discussion as follows:
Results: “Comparing the set of domestic herbivore samples by period with a Kruskal–Wallis
test shows that there are differences (H = 15.319; df = 2; p = 0.001) in δ13C values
between the 11-13th centuries (n = 26) and both the 13-16th centuries (n = 17) and
the 16-18th centuries (n = 6), with the mean of the High Medieval fauna being 1‰ higher
than that of the Late Medieval period and 1.4‰ higher than that of the Early Modern
period (Fig 3, Table S5). A Kruskal-Wallis test indicates no statistically significant
differences in δ15N values between the time periods (H = 1.433; df = 2; p = 0.565;
Table S6).”
Discussion: “A comparison of domestic omnivore (pig) δ13C and δ15N between sites and
chronological periods indicates no differences, while the domestic herbivore sub-sample
showed a slight, statistically significant increase in δ13C between the groups of
sites dated to the 11-13th centuries AD and the other two periods. Variation in environment
or human management practices (e.g. millet foddering) between the geographic locations
of sites (Biruli and especially Mienka are located to the south-west of the cluster
of Polack, Lučna and Čarscviady, and have higher δ13C values) or between the periods
to which they date are among the possible explanations for this difference. “
It has not affected the interpretation much, as it only strengthens the difference
between the 11-13th century sites’ cluster and the fact that the faunal pattern of
the changes in carbon values over time is opposite to that of the human one.
Figure 3 is unintelligible as far too full: Use averages for animals through time
(and delete individual datapoints). Add mean and standard deviation for human groups
but keep individual data points. Remove the fish from this graph (you have it in others)
and adjust the axes to focus on the human data.
We have now applied the recommended changes (see response regarding this figure to
Reviewer 1 above) and have changed the caption accordingly:
“Fig 3. Plot of δ13C and δ15N values of human and animal samples (mean ± 1 std. dev.)
with human and herbivore samples compared by period. Smaller triangles show the individual
values of human samples.”
- Line 444 = Test statistic is H
Thank you, added the name of the statistic to results in all cases.
- Line 451-453 = Can you verify that this sample is, indeed, from a human? If you
cannot, it would be much less confusing to note from the start that it has been excluded
on that ground and not report it as part of the summary stats in the first place
This rib was initially identified as human by two analysts and after this comment
the remains of it were double checked by one more analyst, and all believe it to be
human. If possible we will verify it through DNA analysis when further expanding our
research, but at the current moment it is out of the budget scope.
- Line 471 = again, effect size assessment needed. This is hardly a meaningful difference
We have now added the effect size measures to the t-test results and changed the lines
in the results and the discussion accordingly:
“However, the difference in δ15N only remains significant in the sample dated to the
13-16th centuries AD (Student’s two-sample t-test, t = 2.766; df = 54; p = 0.008;
Hedges' g = 0.8) when urban and rural groups are compared separately within each period.”
“This small difference is significant only in the 13-16th centuries; however, the
effect size of this difference for the 13-16th centuries is large (Hedges' g = 0.8)
and it is notable that at least the urban herbivores at this time have lower δ15N
values.”
- Line 485 = coeval
Changed “contemporary” to “coeval”
- Line 485-490 = where are these data plotted? Readers may want to verify whether
difference looks meaningful (this reader does!)
We have now added a new Figure S2 to the Supplementary Information where the groups
of samples in question (elite, military, rural context) are shown alongside each other
and with a regression line for the elite sub-sample. We have also added a reference
to the new Fig S2 in this line.
- Line 504-510 = yet you said there were site-based differences before (line 433)?
Clarify.
Here we speak of the omnivore sample (added “domestic omnivore” now to also address
the previous concerns of the reviewer), while in line 433 we referred to the differences
between domestic herbivores, which are discussed later within the same line:
“A comparison of domestic omnivore (pig) δ13C and δ15N between sites and chronological
periods indicates no statistically significant differences, while the domestic herbivore
sub-sample showed a slight, statistically significant increase in δ13C between the
groups of sites dated to the 11-13th centuries AD and the other two periods. Variation
in environment or human management practices (e.g. millet foddering) between the geographic
locations of sites (Biruli and especially Mienka are located to the south-west of
the cluster of Polack, Lučna and Čarscviady, and have higher δ13C values) or between
the periods to which they date are among the possible explanations for this difference.”
- Line 512-513 = But: You would expect cattle and ovicaprid remains from towns to
belong to animals reared in the countryside, would you not?
We agree with the Reviewer 2 that most of the animals (and food products in general)
may be expected to come to the town from the countryside, though it is also discussed
that animals were kept in Polack, and its inhabitants had their own gardens, so were
involved in husbandry and agriculture like the rural dwellers, especially at the earlier
centuries’ of the city’s existence. Therefore it makes an interesting comparison to
check for any difference between the rural and the urban animal sample that could
be detectable through isotopes. To acknowledge this aspect, we have added a further
line to this paragraph:
“Rural herbivores also have a higher δ15N, possibly due to obtaining more of their
fodder from manured fields. Though we have previously discussed that city inhabitants
increasingly obtained their food from rural neighbourhoods, agricultural activity
was common in cities in the 10-16th centuries and city inhabitants also kept their
own gardens and domestic animals [7,9,29,30,33,37,41], which may explain why there
are differences between the animals from rural and urban contexts.”
- Line 518-519 = Consider other environmental/ anthropogenic explanations for high
d15N than manuring
We have considered here several common reasons that could have led to nitrogen enrichment,
including “extreme protein stress like starvation, or being fed a specific diet, or
perhaps due to this individual coming from some distance away where local baseline
δ15N values were higher due to manuring”.
We agree that a more detailed consideration of this animal may bring up a broader
variety of reasons, but consider such a discussion beyond the scope of this article’s
topic. We still believe that manuring is one of the possible reasons for this animal’s
enrichment in 15N - given the wet environment of Belarus and the surrounding geographic
region, aridity is less likely.
- Line 539-540 = Verify that this sample is indeed demonstrably from a human
See the reply to the same comment above (Line 451-453).
- Line 568 = dietary variation between males and females were observed…
Thank you for this suggestion for improvement, we have changed the line as proposed:
“No evidence for dietary variation between males and females was observed, either
in the whole sample or within its subgroups based on urban or rural context or time
period.”
- Line 579-581 = Clarify: consistent with forest feeding? You never really discussed
this. Depends on the species in question though (hence importance of giving them)
We had not discussed the canopy effect, as no significant differences in C were observed
between the wild and domestic herbivores, and the wild species (now listed in the
text as per earlier comment) include both those from woodland and near woodland environment
(e.g. red deer, bison, elk) and grassland or wetland (hare, beaver, wild bird). The
wild sample is rather small and diverse thus can’t be directly connected to woodland
or statistically analysed by species. Therefore, we discussed the difference in stable
nitrogen isotope values as related to feeding on manured fields versus any environment
not so affected by humans. To address the concern of the lack of relevant discussion,
we have now added this considerations to the Discussion section:
“Although wild fauna do have lower δ13C values than domesticated fauna, this difference
is not statistically significant. Furthermore, our small sample of wild fauna includes
both species from woodland and near woodland environments (e.g. red deer, bison, elk)
and grassland or wetland (e.g. hare, beaver, wild bird). As a result, there does not
seem to be an obvious impact of the canopy effect in our study, though larger analyses
in the future could explore this further.”
To avoid creating confusion, we have also deleted the “δ13C” from the sentence in
question, as the difference in carbon isotope is not significant, while we primarily
discuss the nitrogen δ15N in this context:
“A possible explanation could be that the nobility were consuming greater amounts
of wild animal protein (which seems to overall have lower δ15N values in our study),
which could offset increased animal protein use among elites and further highlight
the significance of hunting as a sign of status in the region.”
- Line 591 = play
have someone edit this whole paper thoroughly at the end
Thank you, we have changed the line as suggested. Both of the native English speakers
among co-authors reviewed the text, but some mistakes may still have been missed.
- Line 603 = what does that mean?
We have deleted this sentence while applying changes following the Reviewer 1’s comments
to this paragraph.
- Line 669-674 = The apparent size of the effect is nevertheless surprising. I have
never seen humans from this time period with such low carbon isotope values - and
the classical studies on spatial variation (eg. van Klinken et al 1994) do not suggest
that differences are so substantial.
I would include more detail on the environmental differences to explain.
We agree that this phenomenon is interesting and therefore consider it worth a separate
investigation, which some of the authors intend to pursue in the future. At the moment
we consider further study of this phenomenon out of the scope of this article, as
it would indeed require greater environmental knowledge and investigation.
Also: Have any standards been re-calibrated between these datasets being produced?
CH-7
No standards were re-calibrated between data sets.
- Line 1037 = ??? PRovide details
Thank you for pointing this out, we have fixed the reference to “Chesson L, Meier-Augenstein
W, Berg G, Bataille C, Bartelink E, Richards M. Basic principles of stable isotope
analysis in humanitarian forensic science. In: Forensic Science and Humanitarian Action.
2020. pp. 285–310. doi:10.1002/9781119482062.ch20“
- Line 1039-1040 = This should be referenced as a monograph, should it not?
Thank you for pointing this out, we have fixed the reference to “Scheuer L, Black
S. Developmental Juvenile Osteology. London: Academic Press; 2000.“
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