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| Original SubmissionJanuary 25, 2022 |
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PONE-D-22-02490Template Models for Simulation of Surface Manipulation of Musculoskeletal ExtremitiesPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Erdemir, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Apr 24 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: N/A Reviewer #2: N/A ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Characterization of the mechanical properties of soft tissues comprise an important topic, which is of interest in many fields, such as surgical simulation, prosthetic and orthotic simulation and computational design, and more. The manuscript is well written and provides clear and detailed information on the experimental and numerical methods used (for the most part). I greatly appreciate the contribution of free and open-source models, and believe that they may be beneficial to many researchers in the community. However, I have a few questions and concerns, which are detailed below: 1. There is no doubt that simplification of the model (e.g., by lumping tissue layers and using a 1-parameter material model) helps reducing simulation time and parameter identification efforts. However, the second claim in line 69: “Simplified models reduce build and simulation time, while still being sufficient in the prediction of surface stresses (Petre et al. 2013)” is questionable. Petre et al. 2013 stated: “The results indicated that the inclusion of multiple tissue layers affected the deformation and stresses predicted by the model”. Moreover, even if surface stresses can be predicted using a simplifies model in certain situations, I don’t think it can necessarily be generalized to other cases. 2. While it is certainly correct that speeding up the simulations is an advantage, the models in this study still require a lot of time-consuming work (manual segmentation, analysis of the ultrasound images, etc.). Therefore, I am not convinced that simplifying the model makes such a significant difference here. If this simulation time was the difference that made it possible to run in real-time then it would make a lot of sense, but that is not the case. In my opinion, the major advantage of the simplified model is not the simulation time but rather avoiding the issue of identifying multiple parameters, which is problematic due to the non-uniqueness of the parameter set. 3. In the methods, I did not find details on how you extracted data from the ultrasound images. Is it also taken from the previous study? Please clarify. 4. How did you measure the 3D position and orientation of the ultrasound probe if it had only one marker? 5. It is not clear from the text if the prescribed probe displacements in FEA were informed by the measurements of the markers or the displacements measured using the ultrasound images. 6. Why did you choose a Neo-Hookean model? Was it just for simplification and speed (having only one parameter to identify)? It has been shown in the past that higher-order models (e.g, Mooney Rivlin, Ogden) were better suited for modeling soft tissues. I'm concerned that the fact that this model fitted your curves properly, does not guarantee that it characterizes the tissue well in other loading scenarios. 7. I did not understand why using slopes of the linear fit as a criterion for parameter optimization is valid when the curves are obviously nonlinear. I agree with your statement that the K/C1=1000 ratio means that you fit only one parameter, but still, the slope of the force-displacement curve is not constant, so why is a linear slope being used as a fitting criterion? I might have misunderstood what you did, but please clarify. 8. I opened some of your results files (for example 006LL_Quad_run1.xplt) and saw that it had 9 simulation steps, and only 3 of them after contact between the probe and the limb was made (so only 3 loading steps). However, in your plots there are many more experimental points. First, I think that the number of steps in the simulations should be provided in the manuscript, and accordingly, the simulation results should be plotted as points in the figure, and not only as the fitted curve, because the plots (Fig. 5) are misleading the reader to think that all these loading states have been simulated. Second, could you explain how did you determine how many steps to simulate and how did you interpolate the experimental data to obtain the boundary conditions for the model? Does your simulation curve fitting include only 3 points? In addition, It looks like in some of the plots the experimental force-displacement include outlier points (maybe measurement errors?) Did you include these points when prescribing boundary conditions and when fitting the curves? 9. The main advantage of performing ex-vivo experiments (vs. in-vivo), is the ability to validate the results by comparing the parameters identified using non-invasive indentation with the parameters obtained using standardized tests (e.g., uniaxial tension and compression) on excised tissue specimens. Including these additional tests and showing that the same material model and the identified parameters fit the tissue mechanical behavior also for the standardized tests, would have greatly increased the contribution of this paper. Of course, I don’t expect the authors to re-do the entire experiment, but I think it is important to acknowledge that. 10. Alternatively, even using only indentation data (which could have been done in-vivo), improved validation could have been achieved by indenting the same spot several times, and then using one set for parameter calibration and testing the identified parameter on the other sets. I see that in the data, you have multiple runs for each model, but I didn’t find in the text details on these multiple runs. Which ones were used to obtain the results shown in the paper? What is the difference between them? If they represent different experimental data (for example repetition of the indentation in the same spot), you could use these multiple models to cross-validate the parameters. However, if they represent the same experiment, just a different simulation, then what is the difference between them? Reviewer #2: This is an interesting paper on a topic relevant to the Journal. I think it should be published, though it does feel a little marginal to me. The principle of developing a map of indentation force displacement relationships with the human body is of real interest and general applicability. On the other hand, the work presented is rather incomplete and is more of a proof in principle. Some further comments: 1. I think you have applied a rather weak inverse method as only indentation force is used. Could you give some consideration to what would the benefits be of also using a measure of surface deformation? 2. The raw exptl data is valuable, more so in my opinion than the IFEA results, so as much of the expltl infro should be open source as possible. The IFEA results are tied to the choice of material law which is understandably simplistic, but thereby misses the viscoelastic and anisotropic properties of the native tissues 3. What about local stifffness increases near joints ? It would be good to present a measure of soft tissue depth at the locations of stiffness predictions. In some locations where the bony structures are very close to the surface the stiffness will be much greater, and this should be flagged. The Soft tissue covering the lower leg is locally very variable, can you give locally meaningful descriptions? For example, on the anterior shin there is almost no soft tissue apart from skin, whereas on the posterior aspect of the lower leg there is substantial muscle tissue. Some form of reference to this would really help. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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PONE-D-22-02490R1Template Models for Simulation of Surface Manipulation of Musculoskeletal ExtremitiesPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Erdemir, Thank you for the re-submission of your work. It looks like we are very close to accept here. However, since one point raised by reviewer 1 remains, I have labelled this as a minor revision. Note that both reviewers have recommended this work is accepted. So once you address that remaining point I am happy to help process this work for acceptance. Please submit your revised manuscript as soon as possible and by Jul 24 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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If you have cited papers that have been retracted, please include the rationale for doing so in the manuscript text, or remove these references and replace them with relevant current references. Any changes to the reference list should be mentioned in the rebuttal letter that accompanies your revised manuscript. If you need to cite a retracted article, indicate the article’s retracted status in the References list and also include a citation and full reference for the retraction notice. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: N/A Reviewer #2: I Don't Know ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Thank you for addressing my comments. Only the following comments were not fully addressed. I recommend acceptance of the paper once they are addressed: In response to my previous comment #8, you wrote that the simulation files were reduced to 9 points to save on repository space. However, I still don't understand why 6 out of these 9 points are without any contact (and force) so they are completely irrelevant for the parameter fitting. I think it is still not fully clear which of the experimental points (black dots in figure 5) were used as must points in FEBio, and which data was used for computing the objective function for the curve fitting. If the shared data contains only a few must points, can the reader reproduce the simulated results shown in figure 5? Reviewer #2: Thank you for fully addressing my comments. In my opinion, this paper makes a useful contribution to understanding the surface stiffness of the human body which is of interest in a wide range of applications. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. 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Template Models for Simulation of Surface Manipulation of Musculoskeletal Extremities PONE-D-22-02490R2 Dear Dr. Erdemir, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Kevin M. Moerman, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): Reviewers' comments: |
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PONE-D-22-02490R2 Template Models for Simulation of Surface Manipulation of Musculoskeletal Extremities Dear Dr. Erdemir: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Kevin M. Moerman Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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