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PONE-D-21-06060 Sampling errors and variability in video transects for assessment of reef fish assemblage structure and diversity PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Bruneel, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Aug 15 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. 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(Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Overview This paper reports on the accuracy, precision and repeatability of visual transects of shallow water reef fish recorded with underwater video. In particular, the authors aim to address whether there were species-specific observer affects, the importance of observer bias sampling variability, and the importance of transects length number repeats the counting metrics and the way that data was transformed. As an initial comment the authors do not recognise that the level of transformation that you use is largely dependent on the ecological question that you are asking. I also note that they are missing some of the fundamental literature including previous similar work and recommend that they actually read the reference below which is fundamental to this field of study. McCormick, M.I., Choat, J.H. Estimating total abundance of a large temperate-reef fish using visual strip-transects. Mar. Biol. 96, 469–478 (1987). https://doi.org/10.1007/BF00397964 I found the paper extremely long and overly complicated. Also, while I recognise that the statistics used are valid, I am not convinced they are the optimal methods for conveying and supporting the authors interpretation presented in the discussion. I’m also concerned that the authors may have unwittingly introduced another source of bias into their design which may well greatly impact their analysis and data collection. At lines 144 to 145 the authors describe laying out a transact rope and recording 2.5 m either side of the transact. Did they delineate the whole transect by laying out a rectangle or did they lay out a rope down the centre and then the estimated the distance either side of that transect by the image analyst? If they did the latter can the author’s please clearly define how they actually estimated distance. Distance estimates are 1 of the main sources of error that come into fish transects as it can be extremely difficult to consistently estimate distance. As a consequence, an observer may greatly over or underestimate the actual area observed. See Harvey E, Fletcher D, Shortis MR, Kendrick GA. A comparison of underwater visual distance estimates made by scuba divers and a stereo-video system: implications for underwater visual census of reef fish abundance. Marine and Freshwater Research. 2004 Sep 23;55(6):573-80. The authors also talk about a standard operating procedure developed by the aquatic ecology research group of Ghent University. It would be really useful if this could be deposited as an online appendix so that people could refer to that. Also, how does that align with already published standard operating procedures for doing video transects surveys of fish? I also believe there are some real fundamental errors with this paper in that the authors are trying to count mobile fishes that are quite large and also small fishes such as travel fins and Lenny’s which are habitat associated. Most fish ecologists would use transects of different sizes depending on the mobility and size of the species that they are trying to investigate. Trying to sample them all in one survey is probably not realistic or ecologically valid. I certainly would not be trying to survey fish such as the Galapagos triplefin blenny (max size 9cm and highly territorial) in the same transects that I would be targeting the Amarillo snapper (a species up to 71 cm in length and highly mobile). It would be great if the authors can make some comment about why they have lumped the species together when most guidance on surveying reef fish would recommend keeping them separate. Overall I think the paper has the potential to be a valid contribution to science, but it needs to be substantially rewritten so that the text and the data presented a simplified. At the moment it is overly and unnecessarily complex. I recommend simplifying the analysis and the presentation of results so that readers can comprehend it and absorb the main takeaway messages. I have included a number of minor comments below. Abstract Line 6. I recommend that you change should to could given that this work (admittedly not for video sampling) is a repeat of past research. Introduction Line 56. I recommend that you write this as In the literature. Line 62. I recommend that the authors put a reference about underwater visual census and some species being scared away and not been detected. Lines 59-67. I commend the authors for this distinction which is actually really important. Line 78 to 80. This statement is actually incorrect. Because of the bait plume from stationary cameras (and I am assuming you are talking about baited remote underwater video systems given you refer to Mike Cappo’s research above) have been demonstrated to be a more effective tool sampling across broad habitats and depth scales than underwater visual census. They tend to sample more species, with greater statistical power than underwater visual census. However, the bias of baited remote underwater video systems are acknowledged and one of the things that you cannot do is get density or biomass estimates per unit area. They are also not good for getting counts of some of the smaller and less mobile species. I think you probably want to either reword this sentence or alter it to reflect a true statement. Similarly, I think in the introduction you need to talk about the types of information that ecologists and managers want to collect and use. You have not talked all about the use of length data which some ecologists would consider to be more fundamentally useful than count data. This aspect should probably be brought into the discussion as well. Can you provide a reference for line 87 please. Lines 171-174. Can the authors please justify why they have used Max count or min count? One of the great advantages of transects is that you can actually obtain a density estimate. By counting all the fish that you see with in a transact you may increase your variability, but you will also increase data on length frequency. This is a fundamental advantage of doing transects over stationary camera systems. Max count is a term that comes from the baited underwater video literature and is probably inappropriate in this context. Essentially all you are doing is counting all the species and individuals that you see in a transect? I would clarify that and change your figures accordingly. Somewhere in your methods you need to tell the reader how you analysed your video imagery and why used that particular method. At the moment, someone wanting to repeat your work couldn’t do it as that information is not in the main text or the appendices. Line 179 to 181. Please make a comment about what the effect of not being a to identify the exact length of the transects might have on the data. It seems like this is probably going to increase a source of error and variability as you may be greatly increasing or decreasing the area surveyed. Line 190. Do you have an example or a reference supporting your thoughts about instantaneous fish displacement? Has anyone else observed this in the scientific literature? Figure 3. In the methods I think it would be really useful of the authors stated why they have used the similarity values to represent their transects and not looked at the cumulative number of species or individuals and also presented the means. The dissimilarity values are a valid way of presenting this, but an unusual way of presenting this data. I’m not convinced that this the optimal way of presenting it. Lines 429 - 442. Rather than using the components of variation have the authors considered using a distant based linear model which might be easier for the reader to understand? Line 464. Please change the use of species density as if you are using min count or Max count you’re not counting all the individuals of a species. Again, you have used Max count inappropriately. Line 533 - 534. Please note that both the species that you list as pelagic curious species are actually reef associated and benthic. They are not pelagic. Reviewer #2: This study is interesting and could be a valuable contribution in the branch of fish ecology at local and regional scale; however, its contribution is limited in terms of added improvement in the field of methodologies to survey the structure of fish communities, and the manuscript must be written with this in consideration. The study of sources of variation is extensive in fish sampling and most of the elements analyzed here are well known within rules of thumb of sampling design and data capture: 1. Fish communities change in space and time, and this should be considered in sampling designs. 2. Different sampling efforts (number, size, or duration of sampling units) will render different results, the more the better, but the optimum depends on how diverse the community under study is. 3. Different methods of capturing information (video vs visual, static vs transects, camera vs diver) have specific advantages and disadvantages for the capture of abundance and diversity of fish, which need to be considered according to the habitat and question at hand. 4. Divers have an effect on the fish community and different divers will collect different information, and this will depend on their experience in great part, so surveyors need to have an adequate level of knowledge to be surveyors, again, according to the complexity of the system under study. The study focused on a particular method of diver-based roaming video transects in a nested design with repeated-measures and its results confirm most of these rules of thumb. So, what exactly is this study addressing that has not been done before to make this study unique from previous studies? I believe the key point of the study is that previous studies focused on only a few aspects of the sources of variability while the authors of this paper carried out a more complete inclusion of these by carrying a complex sampling design. However, the benefits of doing this should be well explained. For this the study needs to clearly outline the work that has been done previously regarding sources of bias and error in fish communities’ assessments to clearly identify the knowledge gap that will be addressed. Objectives, questions and/or hypothesis of the study need to be clearly outlined in abstract and introduction, including independent variables (elements of sampling and analyses) and dependent variables (elements of community structure). I have also made several comments in the manuscript it self. but here I stress some general things. The language and terms used to refer to sampling variability must be clearly defined within the discipline of ecology. The use of terms such as design errors, detection heterogeneity, observer bias, observer effects, random counting and instantaneous fish displacement sounds all confusing, but I think it all can be explained more simply to avoid confusions. There are some statements in the introduction that are not accurate or sufficiently backed up with other studies regarding the use or adequacy of different survey methods. The study considers abundance and diversity of fish, but did not presented changes in species composition, which is one of the most fundamental factors affected by different survey methods. I suggest including this explicitly. The discussion needs to avoid repeating results and just aiming to interpret the findings and its significance concisely. Similarly, the conclusions should focus on the contributions of your study. I would also suggest that given the extensive nesting design and interacting factors, the interpretation and concluding remarks should be stated clearly in the discussion as a table summarizing a set of recommendations for practitioners framed within the specific context of the study (i.e. ecosystem/habitat surveyed). It would be good for example to have carried out surveys in different habitats (need to specify in the manuscript if all transects were done in the same habitat) so the findings could have a greater applicability. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. 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PONE-D-21-06060R1 Sampling errors and variability in video transects for assessment of reef fish assemblage structure and diversity PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Bruneel, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. The two reviewers concur that the revision does not address (or does not fully address) many of the comments and issues raised by the reviewers of the original manuscript. They have a number of concerns with this revised version, and offer several comments and suggestions to improve it. If you will address these individually and in detail, we look forward to receiving a revised text. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jan 20 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Partly ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #2: No Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #2: The authors have made some improvements in the text (some are not highlighted in the resubmitted document), such as including more references and adjusting word choice and clarifications. Unfortunately, the authors have not addressed other comments, and thus, there are still some inaccuracies that need attention before acceptance for publication. Please see comments below with reference to line numbers of the new submitted version. Abstract (no numbered lines) Conclusions/significance can be improved. "The results confirm the suitability of the technique to study reef fish assemblages," This was not the objective of the study, so this was not proved. Introduction Lines 33-67. Static videos (RUV) are not adequate for extensive sampling areas but baited videos can improve this. These ideas are incorrect. RUV can be designed to cover extensive areas. Western and Eastern Australia is an example of this. The plume-effect of baited videos is actually a problem, since it can attract fish species from Kilometres away that normally would not be in the sampling location, modifying natural fish assemblages and habitat associations. Also, it is well known that fish densities and habitat heterogeneity can be accounted for in video analyses when designed appropriately (e.g. benthobox). Authors need to be careful with these kind of statements. I recommend to modify accordingly. Importantly, there has not been an improvement regarding the background information in the introduction to layout the knowledge gap being addressed by the study (Lines 52-65). Similarly, the explanation of the objectives remained unchanged. Thus, as it currently stands, the novel contribution of the study is not clear. Authors need to make this more explicit. This highlights the importance of the study more and also helps the readership to understand what the study is about easily. Aiming to evaluate “how important” is something, is not scientifically clear. The answer to this kind of questions would be “not important, important, mildly important, very important, etc" but we want quantitative answers. So it must be said exactly what you will test. L 77. “Counting metric, data type and transformation” is referred in the third question/objective but this has not been mentioned at all in the background. If its in the objectives it must be explained why beforehand. Methods Table 1 (glossary) remains without legend or reference in the text. L83. Habitat description is missing (was all the sampling done in the same type of habitat?). L86. I cannot see attachments with supplementary materials (e.g. Fig. B1 map). L98. Why did you choose to survey the transect six consecutive times (why not less or more)? L102. How widely used is this technique (s-transect) around the world? L110. Time between surveys of different observers was 1 minute, which according to other studies is too short to avoid effects between observers, you should account/discuss this (Reef fish communities are spooked by scuba surveys... PeerJ 6, e4886 (2018)). L122. Why split the videos as 0-50, 5-45, 10-40, etc. and not 0-50, 0-40, 0-30m etc.? L125. Provide estimated times-distances (line 125) The suggestion to include explicit analyses of species composition was also disregarded. Although indeed Diversity indices include composition, this does not tell you which taxa accounts for the differences, which is of high interest to practitioners. This is discussed briefly in the discussion for a few species, but its explicit inclusion in the analyses and presentation would add good value to the study. Discussion The concluding statement has not been improved. The current text just says what is already known: “methodological parameters, environmental conditions, and ecological knowledge, e.g. species-specific traits affecting detectability, were found important for video transects and should be accounted for to properly assess the ecological state and the effect of management practices on the environment” but what exactly was discovered in the study that is new? (refer to the hypotheses and objectives). Reviewer #3: Review of revised manuscript Title: Sampling errors and variability in video transects for assessment of reef fish assemblage structure and diversity. Comments to the Author(s): The manuscript was reviewed and I am in agreement with regard to the comments/corrections suggested by the reviewers. The manuscript was revised to address many of the comments suggested by the reviewers and the authors gave a response for each comment or question. However, some of the responses were not completely addressed or could be completely addressed without repeating the analyses or data collection. For example, counting or lumping all species together with no separation of species by behavior or life stage is an issue which cannot be addressed without reorganizing and re-analyzing the data. The authors did offer responses and added statements to try and address in the revision but the issue is not fixed. The following are specific comments that require further attention: Not determining the exact length of transects may have introduced additional variability but this variability isn't measured by the authors or quantified. They suggest it can be assumed to be stochastic and limited. Can it be measured or is assuming it to be stochastic and limited adequate? It may or may not be adequate but a better justification should be given for this point and others that were questioned by the reviewers. As reviewer 2 pointed out, the Introduction should be written to emphasize the importance of this study in comparison to others and its contribution to the existing literature. I don't believe that the authors response to address this comment is adequate. The foundation for the methods to be use should be established in the Introduction along with clearly stated objectives. Both reviewers suggested making the objectives more clear in the Introduction section. The authors mentioned that the objectives are given from line 107 to 135. However, the Introduction ends with line 78. There are 3 questions listed at the end of this section but those are not objectives. If the objectives are in fact given at the end, I cannot find them. The study objectives should be stated clearly at the end of the Introduction which they are not. I also agree with reviewers that the Introduction needs to include the a description of the type of data that is important for ecologists and managers and how the study will address ways to collect and analyze the desired types of data. The choice of the data transformation was stated by the authors as being highly dependent on the research question(s) of the study. Though readers may be interested in how different transformations may affect the results of analyses, the authors didn't really address the how the data transformation addresses their questions or in other words, what the point of using different data transformation was for the conclusions of the current study. There should be more to the answer than just stating that researchers might be interested in. State the importance of determining this result to researchers in the Introduction. The choice of statistics does make the manuscript rather complicated but justify why you are going to used these methods this in the Introduction. I understand what the authors were trying to do but its not explained completely within the manuscript so that the readers will understand what the objectives were and why specific analyses were done. Lastly, the following two comments given by reviewer 2 were not adequately addressed. 1. The study considers abundance and diversity of fish, but did not presented changes in species composition, which is one of the most fundamental factors affected by different survey methods. I suggest including this explicitly. The authors did not mention if they will add anything to the manuscript regarding changes in species composition. If not, why ? 2. Similarly, the conclusions should focus on the contributions of your study. I would also suggest that given the extensive nesting design and interacting factors, the interpretation and concluding remarks should be stated clearly in the discussion as a table summarizing a set of recommendations for practitioners framed within the specific context of the study (i.e. ecosystem/habitat surveyed). It would be good for example to have carried out surveys in different habitats (need to specify in the manuscript if all transects were done in the same habitat) so the findings could have a greater applicability. The authors did not add the specific recommendations to the revision nor did they give any indication if they will or will not add them and why. Just a note, MaxN and MinCount are not density estimates. There is no unit of area included in their calculation. These can be considered abundance metrics but not density metrics. The following are specific comment/corrections for the text: Abstract: Reviewer #1 recommended changing "should" in line 6 which was done by the authors. Introduction: Line 5: What environmental and ecological changes are referred to here? The prior sentence doesn't quite reference changes just physical and chemical water conditions that are known to be affected by anthropogenic pressures. What are "these changes?" Remove "these" from line 4. Line 34: Remove the comma and add "thereby" before "providing a more...." Line 35: "Baited stationary cameras" is written in the prior sentence but the authors refer to the camera systems as "its" in line 35. Replace "its" with something like "However, due to the point-based nature of these camera systems, it remains difficult....." Line 74 to 78: The questions seem to just be listed here with little connection to the paragraph above. Why not change the wording to "Although repetitions of transects are not common in the literature, they were necessary here to provide answers to the following research questions, which are of interest for both non-repetitive and repetitive studies:" Discussion: Line 443: Remove "two curious species." This statement makes the assumption that the fish were in fact curious which is something that cannot be proven. Line 446: Replace curious with "non-scared" fish. Being attracted to the divers doesn't mean the fish are actually curious. Line 462 to line 469: Could the temporal auto-correlation, fish displacement, and observer biases be avoided or greatly reduced by sampling transects over a series of days not one after another on the same day? The sampling events would still be repeats. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. 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Reviewer #3: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #3: Reviewer #3: Comments to the Author(s): The revised manuscript is an improvement over the previous version. The authors made an effort to address all the questions/comments that I addressed. Overall, I think it is suitable for acceptance for publication if the editor agrees. The manuscript was reviewed and I am in agreement with regard to the comments/corrections suggested by the reviewers. The manuscript was revised to address many of the comments suggested by the reviewers and the authors gave a response for each comment or question. However, some of the responses were not completely addressed or could be completely addressed without repeating the analyses or data collection. For example, counting or lumping all species together with no separation of species by behavior or life stage is an issue which cannot be addressed without reorganizing and re-analyzing the data. The authors did offer responses and added statements to try and address in the revision but the issue is not fixed. Answer: We have added in Table G.2, a literature-based score of the reaction to divers of the different species. “The reaction-to-observer provides a literature-based score from 1, for seemingly shy and easily frightened species, to 6, for seemingly curious species \\citep{Humann2003ReefGalapagos}.” In the methods section we mention that “A literature-based score of reaction-to-observer was compared with the results of these models \\cite{Humann2003ReefGalapagos}.” And this is described in the results section as: L326-329: “For 9 out of 11 species with significant observer effects, the literature-based score of the reaction-to-observer corresponded with the observed fish behavior towards observers (Table G.2). There was a discrepancy in the observed effects and literature-based score for the Amarillo snapper and Yellowtail damselfish.” Reviewer 3 response: The authors are not able to separate the species by behavior or life stage so that point cannot be further addressed or changed. The authors did make a comparison between a reaction-to-observer score from the literature and the results of their models. For most of the species, the authors did find that the reaction-to-observer score from the literature did correspond with the observed fish behaviors towards the observers. Because this can't be addressed further, I feel it there isn't much more that can be added to text. The following are specific comments that require further attention: Not determining the exact length of transects may have introduced additional variability but this variability isn't measured by the authors or quantified. They suggest it can be assumed to be stochastic and limited. Can it be measured or is assuming it to be stochastic and limited adequate? It may or may not be adequate but a better justification should be given for this point and others that were questioned by the reviewers. Answer: It is not possible to quantify the additional variability that is introduced by not exactly knowing how long the transects are, but we provided more information to support our assumptions: L141-143: “Although the inability to provide exact distances will introduce some additional variability that cannot be quantified, we assumed this variability to be stochastic and limited as observers were specifically trained to maintain a constant swimming speed.” Reviewer 3 response: The authors are not able to determine the exact lengths of the transects or quantify if additional variability was introduced because of it. They do provide more of an argument suggesting that the variability is likely limited and stochastic because each observer was trained to maintain a constant swimming speed. The new information added to the text does improve the argument to support the assumptions. Because this can't be addressed further, I feel it there isn't much more that can be added to text. As reviewer 2 pointed out, the Introduction should be written to emphasize the importance of this study in comparison to others and its contribution to the existing literature. I don't believe that the authors response to address this comment is adequate. The foundation for the methods to be use should be established in the Introduction along with clearly stated objectives. Answer: We have rewritten the last part of the introduction. Now the aim of the study is written down more explicitly, more early on in the manuscript and within the context of existing gaps in literature. L46-55: “Although studies comparing different video and other visual census techniques are becoming more frequent \\cite{Andradi-Brown2016,Langlois2010,Tessier2013,Watson2005,Watson2010,Wilson2018}, few have focused on the methodological aspects of video transects, such as observer bias (Table \\ref{tab:gloss}), design errors (Table \\ref{tab:gloss}), sampling variability, counting metrics, data types and data transformations \\cite{Bernard2013,Goetze2019}. Video transects are often considered a simple extension of visual census transects, although the ability to store and standardize video observations (see \\nameref{ap:add:applic}) justifies a specific methodological assessment of the technique. The aim of this study was therefore to provide a detailed assessment of the aforementioned methodological aspects and overall suitability of video transects to study reef fish assemblages.” Reviewer 3 response: The authors have rewritten the end of the Introduction to more clearly address the aims of the study. They didn't do an elaborate comparison with other studies but they did emphasize how their study is different than others and included a number of citations referencing studies that compare different video and visual census techniques. The authors also give a clearer explanation regarding the aim of their study later which does improve the Introduction. Both reviewers suggested making the objectives more clear in the Introduction section. The authors mentioned that the objectives are given from line 107 to 135. However, the Introduction ends with line 78. There are 3 questions listed at the end of this section but those are not objectives. If the objectives are in fact given at the end, I cannot find them. The study objectives should be stated clearly at the end of the Introduction which they are not. I also agree with reviewers that the Introduction needs to include the a description of the type of data that is important for ecologists and managers and how the study will address ways to collect and analyze the desired types of data. Answer: We have written down the objectives as research questions. We now specify the general aim of the study and break it down in three research questions, which are introduced more clearly now in the introduction. Reviewer 3 response: The objectives being written as research questions is fine, however change line 80 to "The following research questions....variables of interest:" The choice of the data transformation was stated by the authors as being highly dependent on the research question(s) of the study. Though readers may be interested in how different transformations may affect the results of analyses, the authors didn't really address how the data transformation addresses their questions or in other words, what the point of using different data transformation was for the conclusions of the current study. There should be more to the answer than just stating that researchers might be interested in. State the importance of determining this result to researchers in the Introduction. Answer: We included a more detailed description of the meaning/interpretation of data transformations: L274-279: ‘In addition, the considered transformation of abundance data to presence-absence data entails a broader discussion regarding the way data should be collected (i.e. identification and counting versus only identification respectively).’ And L591-595: ‘Although neglecting the abundance of a species scored worst in terms of goodness-of-fit, the difference between MinCount and presence-absence data was rather small. Therefore, in this specific case, if one wanted to reduce the time required for video analysis, the presence-absence instead of the abundance data could have been used, without much information being lost.’ We do think however that the issue of data transformation does not fit well in the introduction as it would negatively affect the structure. If we would discuss all methodological aspects in the introduction in detail it would negatively affect the clarity of the introduction. We do, however, now also mention it explicitly in the aim of the study in the introduction. Reviewer 3 response: Though not in the Introduction, the addition to the text regarding the meaning/interpretation of the data transformations is an improvement over the previous revision. The authors do give legitimate arguments as to why discussing these methods in the Introduction would negatively affect its structure. The choice of statistics does make the manuscript rather complicated but justify why you are going to use these methods this in the Introduction. I understand what the authors were trying to do but it’s not explained completely within the manuscript so that the readers will understand what the objectives were and why specific analyses were done. Answer: Discussing this in the introduction in detail would make the introduction very hard to follow and draw the attention away from the other aspects that need to be addressed in the introduction. We added following in the introduction to highlight the need for the specific methods and also refer the reader to the part of the manuscript at which more information is provided: L78-82: “The innovative, yet complex design of this study can provide new insights in the methodology of observation techniques, yet requires multiple advanced statistical methods. An overview of these methods and reasoning behind their use is provided in section \\ref{Data_analysis}.” Reviewer 3 response: Despite not including a discussion of the statistical methods to be used in the Introduction, the authors do give reference to the section "Data analysis" of the manuscript where the analyses are discussed. Lastly, the following two comments given by reviewer 2 were not adequately addressed. 1. The study considers abundance and diversity of fish, but did not presented changes in species composition, which is one of the most fundamental factors affected by different survey methods. I suggest including this explicitly. The authors did not mention if they will add anything to the manuscript regarding changes in species composition. If not, why ? Answer: We made this more clear in the text by adding: L276-279: ‘Finally, following the predominant terminology used in literature, the multivariate analyses of abundance and presence/absence data will yield insights in the structure and species composition of fish assemblages, respectively.’ Hence the distinction between fish assemblage structures and species composition can be brought back to the use of abundance versus presence/absence data. The repercussions of different types of data (abundance versus presence/absence) is discussed in the discussion. Reviewer 3 response: The addition to the text addresses this question more clearly than in the first revision. 2. Similarly, the conclusions should focus on the contributions of your study. I would also suggest that given the extensive nesting design and interacting factors, the interpretation and concluding remarks should be stated clearly in the discussion as a table summarizing a set of recommendations for practitioners framed within the specific context of the study (i.e. ecosystem/habitat surveyed). It would be good for example to have carried out surveys in different habitats (need to specify in the manuscript if all transects were done in the same habitat) so the findings could have a greater applicability. The authors did not add the specific recommendations to the revision nor did they give any indication if they will or will not add them and why. Answers: it was added that all transects were laid out in rocky habitats (L91-92). Specific habitat characteristics were not available, but habitats were very similar as rocky habitats were targeted for placement of the transects. Instead of adding a table we have extended the conclusions with the most important results of the manuscript. Most of the recommendations need to be discussed in the context of the aims, area, etc. which would take too much space in a table. Recommendations in a table without this context would lead to potential misinterpretation and we want to avoid this. Reviewer 3 response: The revised conclusions are an improvement over those from the previous revision. The authors have more adequately addressed this question. Just a note, MaxN and MinCount are not density estimates. There is no unit of area included in their calculation. These can be considered abundance metrics but not density metrics. Indeed. They are not being referred to as density metrics in the manuscript. All mention of fish densities have been removed and/or replaced by ‘fish abundance(s)’. Reviewer 3 response: This note was addressed in the revision. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #3: No ********** |
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