Peer Review History
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PONE-D-21-19322Comparing the reliability of different ICA algorithms for fMRI analysisPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Wei, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Sorry for the long review process so far, and we had only one reviewer's feedback, the experts comments are comprehensive and in-depth. I feel it is fair to move forward with you starting the revision process and I personally went over the MS couple time and concur with the reviewer. Please submit your revised manuscript by Mar 11 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Please include captions for your Supporting Information files at the end of your manuscript, and update any in-text citations to match accordingly. Please see our Supporting Information guidelines for more information: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/supporting-information. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: No ********** 3. 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Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is an interesting article. There is real value. However, I have several concerns regarding details missing, and technical questions that are unanswered in the article in its present form. The article is generally well written, but all acronyms are not fully spelled out on first use, and software packages and links are not always provided in the methods. The authors would have made both review and their revision tasks easier if they had added line numbers in the draft. I will detail the various data and methodology concerns in detail below. 1. ACRONYMS must be spelled out on first use and links to software and citations provided. The omissions are numerous. A few (not complete list) MDL, AMUSE, JADE, ERICA and surprisingly, even ICASSO which is a pivotal method here. 2. Only two human subject data sets are used in this paper. This might be acceptable if we were convinced that the data was sufficiently rich, but this information is missing. The reader needs to know fully data set sizes: numbers of imaging sessions, full number of tasks, full number of stimuli in tasks etc. The richness of data is a factor in ICA outcomes so these aspects MUST be reported. Similarly, the method of data setup for ICA needs better description. Was data analyzed in each subject ultimately as a single concatenated ensemble (and if so, of what matrix dimensions), or as a number of subset ensembles (and if so, of what dimensions, and how many such ensembles). Because only two individuals data were used, there remains the unfortunate possibility that there are structural individual-based idiosyncracies in the data here that favor Infomax. I do not believe this likely, but it cannot be fully discounted given the data. Other research applying ICA or testing dimensionality separation methods including ICA have used larger numbers of individuals, or/and artificial data generation under constraints to explore comparisons, or reliability. Examples in motor field are Tresch, D'Avella, Cheung, papers in J Neurophysiology for synergy separation analyses, and Yang, Logan and Giszter in PNAS exploring SCC-like measures on motor synergy outcomes across individual animals. An aspect not explored by the authors of this paper (and given lack of detail provided, this may or may not be possible in their data), that might be used to enrich the analysis they perform is bootstrapping or jack-knifing the data sets used, in addition to subsequent multiple iterations of ICA methods on each subjects subset data. At the very least, there needs to be discussion of the data limits in this paper resulting from only 2 subjects and only 1 subject per type of experiment, and the caveats resulting, i.e. possibility of individual idiosyncracy of data favoring specific ICA methods. 3. The SCC method as described in section 2.4 is unclear. It is possible to do this in two ways - correlate the individual IC spatial components picking best correlations (where pairings of and IC with other sets may not be unique- same IC best in two or more correlations), or correlate the spatial matrix (e.g., in MATLAB using matperm, matcorr) and then IC correlations will be unique, based on the matrix permutation use in the unique IC matchings. The authors used the former, non-unique method I believe, but this might have biased results. If they did, with the possibility of non-unique matching of ICs, then I think the reader needs to know if there were non-unique best IC spatial correlations in each method, and if so how many. This might be an additional metric on ICA algorithm quality. 4. Finally, in relation to the SCC statistics used: Correlation, especially here, is non-gaussian if used directly. This may present difficulties in interpreting the statistics in tables 6 and 7 that could be avoided. Using the Fisher-Z transform (see Yang, Logan, Giszter, PNAS 2019 for example with Infomax ICA data stats) the correlations are transformed to normal variables, improving the interpretation of parametric methods. 5. Equations would be helpful throughout the methods if very clearly written. The goal is reproducibility of methods. 6. The data sharing statement is insufficient, for this study an anonymized repository should be chosen - there are many. This paper is a solid contribution, but marred by the omissions in detail, and possibly improved by attention to the technical points noted. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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PONE-D-21-19322R1Comparing the reliability of different ICA algorithms for fMRI analysisPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Wei, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Apr 30 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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If you have cited papers that have been retracted, please include the rationale for doing so in the manuscript text, or remove these references and replace them with relevant current references. Any changes to the reference list should be mentioned in the rebuttal letter that accompanies your revised manuscript. If you need to cite a retracted article, indicate the article’s retracted status in the References list and also include a citation and full reference for the retraction notice. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: No ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is a nice revision. Thank you for the work on the term ICASSO origin. This revision is coupled with a very responsive letter, but not all comments in the letter appear in the revised manuscript as I read it. Since readers may have the same concerns as reviewers it is crucial to include these in the manuscript, unless the full review history is also going to be published. In particular, the issue I could not find in the materials and methods: That the component correlation method used (in section "Comparing the reliability among four ICA algorithms with SCC") did not in the present data produce any double use correlations must be stated, and that this was observed to be true, although this is not guaranteed by the method. I still wasn't clear if the authors were relying here on other code or directly checked this in their work, and this should be clearly stated. Line 331 - probably, term 'well-performing' is better than 'well-performed' here ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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Reviewer #1: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: No ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I think the use of Fisher Z transforms on your data would be necessary for parametric tests, and your argument about the distributions of i th and jth correlation pairings potentially having different distributions is not particularly good, and only meaningful insofar as your number of subjects is too small. The correlations have different normal distributions, as you correctly state, but the central limit theorem indicates a sum of normal distributions will tend to normal. The distribution problems you may have with normality in your study are primarily due to the very small subject sample size you have (2 subjects) meaning the distribution might be multimodal if variances are low for different correlations across your analysis runs, because not enough subject variations for distributions are contributing. It would be better to directly acknowledge this as the basis of the non parametric testing. Since you are choosing using non-parametric tests here, rather than parametric tests, the ordinal testing you used will be unaffected by the z transform and it is not needed. The best study would have 6-10 subjects per group and use z-transformed correlation data. I suggest a note to this effect, but it is your choice. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No ********** |
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