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Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This paper is based on a profound misunderstanding of violence and warfare. This is manifest in the opening abstract which ends with the statement: “We suggest that as societies transition from immediate return economies (e.g., foragers) to delayed return economies (e.g., farmers) material resources become an increasingly important motivation for interpersonal violence and warfare.” Interpersonal violence and warfare are two very different cultural phenomenon and cannot be conflated. Wife-beating is interpersonal violence and it can be followed and explained in the archaeological and ethnographic records; however, wife-beating and organized, lethal warfare between armed groups have completely different causalities and trajectories. To lump together all skeletal trauma and labeling it “violence” fails to distinguish accidental trauma (breaking one’s leg from a fall) from the kind of systematic trauma arising out of warfare (forearm fractures, fontal bone fractures). The authors also fail to take into consideration chronological variability in the occurrence of violence/warfare. They conflate centuries or even millennia into single events, without realizing that violence varies markedly over time in any given area. This fact, by itself, argues against their primary hypothesis that there is a strong causal correlation between violence/warfare and subsistence economy. People in one area, with a particular subsistence economy can experience a century of warfare, and many centuries without violence. There is no sense of chronological control in this study and no effort to look at when warfare occurs and when it fades away. To simply impute warfare to skeletal trauma for a particular world area represents a basic misunderstanding of the data. In an attempt to push an incredibly complex and diverse global data base into their hypothetical models, they have papered over so much variability as to make their conclusions irrelevant. I cannot finish this review without commenting that is singularly the most jargon-laden, almost incomprehensible paper on this topic that I have encountered. Had the authors given more consideration into making their arguments coherent rather than technical, they might have identified some of their basic flaws. Reviewer #2: Dear authors this is an interesting manuscript that I enjoyed reading. I add several comments below, which I hope you will find useful. In my view, the two critical issues of your work is to add a stronger discussion over the potential bias introduced by combining together archaeological and ethnographic data, and and on the use of NPP to measure ecological effects on violence. Kind regards Abstract Line 47: I don't think 'career' is a good word here; you could use 'behaviour' or 'social behaviour' Introduction This section is a bit too concise, which negatively affects clarity, and it leaves several questions unanswered. A lot of work done on violence in ancestral human societies has used data on different geographic areas and cultures, including work you cite (e.g. Bowles 2009), so it is not clear why and how your cross-cultural approach is novel. Also, theories on violence from behavioural ecology make predictions that can be tested and potentially proved to be correct, irrespective of the cultural milieu in which violence is observed. You also don't cite some seminal work on the topic, including on the role of culture, for example Zefferman & Mathew 2005. Line 67: It would be useful to have a definition of violence at the start of the introduction. Do you use the term for all sorts of violent-like behaviours, including bullying and passive aggression, or it's only for potentially lethal violence? Lines 80-82: I think you should mention here that some studies have not found a positive relationship between participation to war and adaptive benefits (e.g. Ferguson 1989; Beckerman et al 2009). Lines 83-88: I don't fully get your point here. You say you want to focus on cross-cultural variation and not on the payoffs of violence, but then your aim is to analyse the ecological and economic conditions triggering violence. Ecological and economic conditions are clearly linked to payoffs, so I don't understand the distinction you are trying to make. Moreover, ecological and cultural factors are linked together; for example, a group living in a highly seasonal environment may be forced to fight with other groups during periods of food scarcity and also develop group norms that reward warriors, both factors affecting payoff. I think this section should be clarified to make your point stronger. Line 107: it would be useful to explain in details how your dataset represent an expansion of previous ones. Is this in relation to societies included, precision of the data, range of variables considered or else? Methods Lines 132-134: you should discuss here whether/to what extent you can reliably say that these signs of trauma are due to pre-/peri-mortem violence or to post-mortem rituals. These has been a lot of debate whether traumas on bones are really reliable indicators of violence; e.g. see Fry's book (2013). Line 136: you should give the definition of NPP here, the first time you introduce this acronym Lines 136-138: if this is a recommendation for future studies, it would be better placed in the conclusions Line 163: how far back in time are the archaeological data from? These has been a lot of environmental changes between prehistoric times and now, and if we also include global warming I don't think NPP data collected between 2000 and 2015 is a reliable measure of habitat productivity to be linked to violence occurring thousands (or even hundreds) of years before. You claim that "While NPP provides a measure of modern productivity, the relative NPP ranking of each society should have remained consistent over time due to their broad geographic range representing general physiographic regions rather than variants within single ecological or climatological regimes", but this sounds a weak claim to me. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? is there any reference to previous work that has tested this assumption? There have been both micro-and macro-climatic changes at the end of the Holocene, that have been suggested to lead to changes in social organisation and the emergence of agriculture (e.g. Shennan 2018), so this point is really critical for the reliability of your findings. Line 181: it would be useful to add a binary control variable, at least in the preliminary analyses, to see if you find any difference between archaeological and ethnographic data, otherwise you cannot really disentangle whether difference between type of societies are real or due to the fact that different data are available for different societies Line 191: I believe you should compare a null model (containing no predictor variables) with your two base and full models. If there is no significant improvement from the null model, you should make no claims that NPP affects violence. Results I don't understand from this section or from the methods, whether you have data on MoS for the archaeological and ethnographic data or just for the latter. Why not analysing the two datasets separately, since you say above that there are differences in how they can estimate violence? Discussion Your results are in line with what one would predict based on previous work in behavioural ecology. However, I cannot see any discussion about the potential bias in the findings, introduced by combining together archaeological and ethnographic data, and on how reliable NPP is to test your predictions. These are key aspects that would need to be addressed or at least highlighted to the reader to help a more critical evaluation of your findings. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. 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PONE-D-21-31553R1Subsistence strategy mediates ecological drivers of human violencePLOS ONE Dear Dr. McCool, Thank you for submitting your revised manuscript to PLOS ONE. We appreciate your careful attention to the feedback provided on your original submission and feel that, with minor revisions, your manuscript can meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. ==============================As you attend to the reviewers' comments, we would like for you to attend in particular to (1) Reviewer #1's requests for additional clarification and (2) Reviewer #2's comment related to lines 159 & 187.============================== Please submit your revised manuscript by Apr 10 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #2: Dear authors I think you have addressed all my comments and the manuscript is clearer and more complete. I suggest a few sections where additional revision would be useful: Line 55, "We argue that the trend reversal between foragers and farmers": here I think farmers refer to agriculturalists, but at line 53 you use the term 'forager/farmers' for horticulturalists, so I am not sure where you draw the line between foragers and farmers in this sentence. Lines 55-60: I am ok with your argument, but it doesn't clearly follow from your finding that resource availability affects differently foragers and farmers. For example, why would farmers acquire "material resources to be transformed into social payoffs" only or more in unproductive environments? Line 73: I really don't think you can use data on chimpanzees to make a claim about all non-human animals. If you look at the literature on other species, you will find that lethal violence is probably way more common in humans in comparison to the majority of other primates and mammals. Line 276: it should read "while FOR farmers VIOLENCE negatively co-vary with productivity and homogeneity" Line 321 "directly elevate inclusive fitness." I think there should be some refs at the end of this sentence Reviewer #3: This is an ambitious and interesting paper tackling a ‘Big Question’ regarding the environmental conditions that encourage interpersonal violence. While this is many ways it still a ‘work in progress’, given the enormous complexity of the undertaking, I feel that the paper’s publication even at this stage will spark useful debate and discussion. As the authors have already addressed a previous round of comments, I have only a few suggestions for clarification on some points, but also a recommendation for what would be a more major undertaking (dividing the foraging sample, which might require a larger sample size), and so therefore it is not required but might be considered for future. 80/ Not sure that all would agree that those seeing inter-group conflict as rare/maladaptive have been effectively countered, though the authors do acknowledge that this debate continues. Odd to rely on the ethnographic record alone for foragers and horticulturalists when there is considerable archaeological evidence that might be drawn upon, though it is admittedly patchy. Some of the previous studies cited do drawn upon the archaeological record for foragers. 159/ “This database operationalizes sigma by defining it as the number of individual skeletons with evidence of violent trauma divided by the total skeletal sample for each archaeological observation”; repeated line 187 � Surely this defines prevalence rather than sigma (a measure of variability), though from ln 258 it is being used here as a measure of the ‘rate of violence’? 317/ “Ethnographers report evidence showing adult males frequently fight over mating opportunities and real or perceived infidelities.” � This seems to contradict the previous statement regarding the low incidence of in-group violence conflict, assuming that opportunities for such infidelities are likely to be mainly within the group 345/ “Seeming exceptions prove the rule: in prehistoric California, delayed-return hunter-gatherers who rely on the storage of privatized resources follow the violence pattern observed here among agriculturalists.” � So this is not taken into account in the analysis, and the ‘foraging’ mode of subsistence includes all h-g? Not clear how this follows the violence pattern seen among agriculturalists as stated, as h-g practicing storage are often in relatively rich environments (such as those of CA and the NWC), whereas the discussion here focussed on the increased violence among agriculturalists being predicted by more marginal/unpredictable environments. This seems a discrepancy rather than an accord. � Why not divide foragers? The division between immediate- and delayed-return h-g is well established and in many ways it is odder to lump them than to divide them. 382/ “First, if survivorship is frequently in jeopardy one should see far greater demographic parsimony regarding participation in resource conflict” � Not clear that this follows, as there is little point in all and sundry engaging in violence (children, the elderly?) when they are more likely to be a hindrance than help to those better suited to violent conflict through both age and skills (e.g., hunting). ********** 7. 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