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PONE-D-21-01158 Visual segmentation of complex naturalistic structures in an infant eye-tracking search task PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Schlegelmilch, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Two expert reviewers have assessed your work. Both reviewers commend the important and challenging topic you address, and provide generally encouraging comments. Both reviewers also provide detailed and constructive comments aimed at improving the clarity of your manuscript. Reviewer 2 additionally however raises some serious concerns about the soundness of your results and your interpretation. I am unsure at this time whether it will be possible to address these concerns, as this will require you to check and/or modify your analyses, develop further analyses to eliminate alternative interpretations, or readjust the interpretation of your results. Nevertheless, if you are successful your study would be a nice addition to the literature, so I look forward to receiving your revised work. As a separate note, I would like to apologizes for the unusually long time that the manuscript was under review. Unfortunately, one expert who had originally agreed to review your work unexpectedly dropped out of the review process and caused significant delays. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jul 11 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: There is increasing interest in how we develop sensitivity to natural scene statistics, and how infants learn to segment complex visual scenes and attend to relevent information, and this study has a significant contribution to make to this area of research. The task is a visual search task where infants are presented a target circle on a background - the 'category' that the target is from is either a congruent natural texture, or incongruent. The authors conclude that performance on this task is a result of a combination of perceptual and categorical properties of the stimuli. The paper represents a huge amout of work, both in image and data analysis and in data collection all of a high quality. There are some areas that should be addressed, either in a response to review or making edits to the manuscript. We have chosen major revisions only because it seems there is some work to be done to make the authors argument clearer, and does not reflect the quality of the study itself. We're looking forward to reading the final published paper in a journal club in the not too distant future. *note, paper reviewed with the assistance of doctoral researcher, hence 'we' throughout! - Infant perception of stimuli: Depth, Pixel-wise measures, and use of colour stimuli 1. The use of depth congurency is an interesting measure. As the authors note, infants this age are sensitive to some depth cues. However, there is evidence that children don't necessarily combine cues to achieve adult like depth perception. Does this have implications for the relevance of the congruency of depth cues in this study? As the authors themselves note in the discussion, it's hard to disentangle 'depth' from images with higher perceived depth having more high contrast areas which are likely to attract the infant. Nardini, M., Bedford, R., & Mareschal, D. (2010). Fusion of visual cues is not mandatory in children. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, 107(39), 17041-17046. 2. Many of the measures used by the authors are based on pixel wise measures (e.g. mean luminance calcualted with each pixel), and some of the differences in stimuli levels will have likely been small. Are these realistically discriminable to an infant, and can any of the findings be explained by a limited infant visual system? 3. The study uses monchromatic stimuli in 3 colours R,G, and B to try and encourage infant engagment with the task. This unfortunately may have inadvertantly added noise to the measures the authors are collecting data from. For example, brightness perception varies as a function of hue - two colours of equal luminance do not necessarily appear equally bright (Helmholtz–Kohlrausch effect). Although the authors don't find a main effect of colour on performance, which does reassure somewhat that there's no 'hidden bias' brought in by using colour in this way, the authors should be aware that values calculated on greyscale versions of stimuli may not neccessarily reflect perception of chromatic stimuli. - Categorisation 3. Categories: the paper leans heavily on the use of the word 'category' when discussing the rationale and findings. The paper states that 'infants attend to combinatons of category AND property related cues to distinguish naturalistic patterns' implying that the paper considers categories to be an entirely separate entity to the lower level property related cues. We think that the main evidence for there being a category effect is most effectively shown in figure 3 - by there being a greater chance of target detection for congruent stimuli when contrast differences are large, and the inverse effect when contrast differences are smaller. Are there alternative explantions that don't call on categories - for example is this is actually just an ability to spot an outlier in a statistical distribution rather than an effect of categories? - Clarity of paper and general comments 4. The paper makes a lot of effort to be clear - the table of definitions is very good and helpful, and overall, the writing is excellent. However, as a result of there being so much included in the paper, it does mean it is in places confusing, or that the key findings get lost in the paper. We're not advocating that the authors remove sections from the paper, but we do think the paper might benefit from a heavy edit for consicesness. The paper has a huge amount to offer which is currently being lost a little along the way. 5. Should 'intensity' be contrast or luminance throughout? All the variables listed could be measured in 'intensity' so it was a little confusing in places. 6. line 347 - one of these 'incongruents' should be 'congruent' - or alternatively we have misunderstood the way that the model fits to the data. Reviewer #2: This paper investigates infants’ ability to recognize and discriminate visual patterns by virtue of their category (vegetation, artifact, non-living natural) membership. This was assessed through a visual search task, where a small target patch of an image was embedded in a background image. The target patch was always drawn from a different image, but that image could be from the same category as the background, or from a different category. There are various detours and other considerations, but the overarching hypothesis is that category membership, per se (as opposed to various concomitant low-level visual differences that manifest between images from different categories), would be noted and drive looking toward the target. In general, the work is sound, I really appreciate this area of investigation, and the melding of natural scene image analysis and psychophysics in an infant study. It is a nice niche that would benefit from more work. That said, there were aspects of the study (and the interpretation of results) where I had some concerns. Overall, the exposition itself, especially around methods and results, sometimes lacked clarity and motivation, and could be more refined and deliberate. I will try to offer some concrete suggestions here. I had concerns with the data screening. As it stands, the screening is based on behavioral outcomes (throwing away a “hit” because recorded gaze was <80%, but applying a different criteria for miss trials). This seems potentially problematic. I would strongly encourage the authors to apply just one, erring-on-the-side-of-inclusivity, criteria across the board, before any considerations of performance or outcomes. There were phrases scattered throughout the text that had the feeling of technical terms, but had vague and unclear meaning, such as “physically intense cues”, “perceptual difficulty”, “prominence”, “familiarity”, “level of property”, “property value”, “less [/more] distinct category combinations”, “processing advantages”, “discriminated statistically”, “difficulty of the images”. It would help the exposition if these terms were replaced with more specific, definitive ones, or at least defined/operationalized. In places, the technical terms themselves could be sharpened. Why not just call “intensity” / “low-level intensity” / “physically intense cues”, simply mean luminance? Why not call “diff_mean” ‘diff_scaleInvariance’? Etc. Sometimes this can affect understanding of central claims. For instance, I am not clear what is meant by “...visual property could influence infants' search performance in two non-exclusive ways: a) their prominence within a background image might hinder the detection of the target.” Here, it is not clear (to me) what is meant by “prominence” of dimensions that have no natural valence? Could the authors reword and clarify? I think the authors can make a stronger case for “Were targets detected by coincidence” I would be interested to see other comparisons between the target aoi, and the average of the other 9 aoi’s, e.g.: # fixations until aoi (i.e. target aoi vs. average of other 9 aois), time to aoi, dwell time on aoi, ‘success rate’ (proportion of trials on which target, versus other 9 aois, was reached). These “chance levels” (‘coincidence’) should be reported wherever possible (e.g. Figure 1 and Figure 3) since they give a good frame of reference, at least for Intensity 0 conditions. I was a little unclear on how many trials and subjects contributed to each ‘data point’ (e.g. target-background combination, or at least categories of target-background). Something about the math was not clear to me (“27 images on 10 possible locations and presented in three different colors led to 260 different stimuli”). More detail could be given about the data itself, and the breakdown by conditions, colors. If my math is right, it works out to be about 5 trials per image, 15 per image if we collapse over color? But, those are divided by 4 if we wanted to, say, just compare performance at intensity 0? I think figure 1 has an incorrect y axis on the scatter plots (I expect it to be RT in ms) or am I missing something? I do not understand how the authors are using hits and misses when, typically defined, misses are just 1-hits. Why not just code performance as percent correct? Apologies if I missed it, but what latency is entered if the target is not found (miss)? Nearly everything - certainly all the figures - from the “supplementary materials” need to be in the main text. As well, the figures could use more annotation and labels, and more detailed captions. The statistics wind up being a bit complex due to all the factors and varying tests in different contexts. I think the paper could do with some more data visualization. (As it is, we only have Figure 2, which does not even have data points, and the caption does not say anything about the nature of the fits, etc.). Some of this would be mitigated by my earlier suggestion to move other Figures and information from the Supplement into the main text. Do the authors have a reference for the alternating-color-stimuli design they used? This seems a rather extreme way to help maintain vigilance. I know the authors found that color did not predict performance, but what of differences between the colors? Now, turning to the results themselves and their interpretation. For what I think is the most natural, straightforward comparison - the ‘success rate’ of whether infants found target patches differentially, depending on if it had a category match/mismatch with the background - they seem to have a null result. This is captured in Figure 3 at intensity level 0 (intensity refers to mean luminance, which, in levels 1-3, was artificially increased on target patches to facilitate infants’ search). In this comparison, there is no difference between success as a result of target-category membership - the core contrast of the whole study - and actually, target direction rates themselves are so low as to approach chance (i.e. fixating the target ‘accidentally’ as the infant simply scans the scene). Null results are fine of course, but the introduction and discussion (layering in further analyses and speculation) tended to bury the lede here. Do the authors agree? Shouldn’t this finding be more central in the discussion? Then, why was mean luminance (intensity) varied at all? This manipulation needs a lot more justification and explanation, especially as it winds up being the central driver of the “main” (counterintuitive and unexpected) results, given its interaction with category membership. It is hard to think of any reason to expect luminance to interact with categorization. In fact, I think the default stance would be that putting category information on top of a (much more impactful) cue like relative luminance would tend to either effectively discourage the use of category information (by rendering it largely unnecessary), or, as a practical, ‘signal/noise’ matter, tend to obscure any relatively small effects of category against the backdrop of much larger effects of luminance. Then, while I am sympathetic to the author’s attempts to link the present results to category formation, I am hoping the authors can make a stronger case (this point is relevant also to my next one below). All the individual images, even within a category will differ on a panoply of image properties. And since, as the authors note, infants are simply being trained to “find a patch” it is challenging to say what visual properties they are using. A reader might be inclined to accept that the large background patterns invoke categorization, but the targets themselves are quite small (providing less ‘evidence’ for a category) and embedded in a cluttered background. Why would we think this is ‘sufficient’ to trigger categorization? The paper would be strengthened by a more deliberate, rationalized explanation of the various “visual properties”. Why were these attributes measured in the first place? Why these attributes and not others? What are the units? What are the ranges for the images used? Are they meant to be exhaustive, i.e. if target detection can’t be attributed to one or more of these differences, are we to be convinced that the only reasonable conclusion is that detection is due to category membership? Can we see some side-by-side accounting of within vs. between category targets in terms of all the low level visual properties the authors measure (or even additional ones related to fourier spectra)? If we rank order the test stimuli by RT and/or success, does a pattern emerge? Overall though, I am mostly struggling with an even more general issue. If we accept what seems to be the pattern of results, that purportedly same-category targets facilitate search, doesn’t it then become more parsimonious to think that category is not at play at all here? Somehow I feel like the interpretation is caught in a dilemma. All models of visual search and texture segmentation etc. are based on difference, and promote ‘oddballs’. I do not think the authors can seek to overturn that literature and that principle, and, of course, logically, the target cannot be found unless it has some difference, on some dimension, from the background. So, then, we have to determine what the difference is that infants are picking up on here (and, again, especially so with the purportedly “same category” stimuli). It can’t be category membership, per se, logically, because that produces a lack of a difference in this context (i.e., some category detector, running over a same-category stimulus here would find nothing of interest, just, say, vegetation all around). The only differences I can think of then are 1) heightened sensitivity to category exemplars, that somehow, the infant visual system looks for by default, and notes, e.g., “there is a type of vegetation all around in this image, and here is a spot that’s also vegetation, but a different kind of vegetation”. And, further, that these within-vegetation contrasts are given higher ‘scores’ (data-driven salience, driving search) than between category contrasts (say, an artifact patch on the vegetation background). Or, 2) somehow the set of within-category stimuli used here, unluckily, had a statistically greater contrast along some other low-level, non-category-relevant feature dimension. Do the authors agree with this breakdown? Is there something I’m failing to consider? Then, given that 1) is so counterintuitive, to me, 2) becomes more likely and I think the authors need to do some more work to rule it out. Some kind of targeted replication, plus a deeper dive into the specifics of these images would help (as noted in my point above). Are there other aspects of the data/analyses the authors could provide post-hoc to corroborate their interpretation? ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). 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