Peer Review History
| Original SubmissionOctober 20, 2021 |
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PONE-D-21-33560An observational analysis of the trope "A p-value of < 0.05 was considered statistically significant" and other cut-and-paste statistical methodsPLOS ONE Dear Dr. White, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Kindly address all comments from reviewers 1 and 2. Reviewer 1 has suggested some additional literature to include in your discussion, I would be very grateful if you could consider these suggestions. Please submit your revised manuscript by Feb 03 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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If you need to cite a retracted article, indicate the article’s retracted status in the References list and also include a citation and full reference for the retraction notice. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? 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Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I think the authors of this paper have made a commendable effort to screen two major public scientific databases. I have two major comments, one of which is somewhat personal. 1) The paper is at least partly framed as if the main problem is that sentences are copied from other papers; at least this was my first impression from the abstract. However, I think one could well argue that for the sake of clarity and comprehensibility, the same words *should* be used by different authors for the same methods. Thus, if a study used the default alpha of 0.05, a sentence like “a p-value of < 0.05 was considered statistically significant” *should* be written in the paper. Given that probably most screened studies did use the default 0.05, I think it is actually a bad sign that only 1 in 10 studies explicitly wrote it. If we want that people become aware that they are using the same statistical default options since almost a century, it would be helpful if they wrote in their papers, e.g., “we used the default p = 0.05 significance level and the default null hypothesis of zero effect”. I thus suggest you should clarify and discuss that your aim was not to study plagiarism but the extent to which people use the same old default methods – or at least the extent to which they explicitly write that they used those methods, which is probably not the same thing, which you should discuss. I suggest that your results on the use of boilerplate text strongly underestimate the extent of a ritualistic practice of statistics, and that it would be desirable if more people would clearly say that they are committed to a ritualistic practice. In other words, I suggest that more use of boilerplate text might be desirable if people use boilerplate methods. 2) You did not extensively repeat the discussion about statistical significance, which is fine. However, I happen to be author of the article calling for the end of statistical significance that you discussed but did not cite (here’s the article: https://doi.org/10.1038/d41586-019-00857-9). I thus have three minor comments on your discussion starting from line 269: a) You cited the paper by Diaz-Quijano et al. (2020) who performed a survey on our signatories and found that around 22% of the 151 respondents said that they would likely use the concept of “statistical significance” again in future publications. I think you should write “22% of respondents *said they* were likely to continue using the concept in future publications”. b) You then wrote that “Reasons cited included the mindful use of p-values in combination with other evidence and concerns about the feasibility of abandoning p-values given their engrained usage in published literature.” You should exchange both mentions of “p-values” with “statistical significance”, as is written in Diaz-Quijano et al. (2020) and in our original article “Retire statistical significance”. Of course, statistical significance and P-values are not the same. I and my co-authors have nothing against mindful use of P-values, which is what we try to advocate. On a side note, I would probably be among the people saying they would likely use the concept of statistical significance in future publications; for example, I’m using it whenever I write about the problems with this concept. c) Your reference for misinterpretations of P-values is Goodman’s “A Dirty Dozen”, which is a good paper; an updated version that you could cite as well and on which Goodman is co-author is https://doi.org/10.1007/s10654-016-0149-3. Signed review: Valentin Amrhein Reviewer #2: This is an interesting paper which aims to quantify the extent of ‘cutting and pasting’ or ‘recycling’ of statistical methods sections across publications and trial registries. This is an attempt to quantify and better understand poor reporting of statistical methods and statistical methods used in published papers and registered trials. The authors included statistical methods sections from articles published in PLOS ONE and study protocols registered in the Australian and New Zealand Clinical Trials Registry. This was an interesting paper with unsurprising but novel findings. Poor statistical methods is an ongoing problem and this is highlighted by the authors’ finding that only 17% of articles had a statistical methods section with 50 words or less! I have only minor comments/suggestions to the manuscript, which are provided below. The authors should also be commended for making all of their code freely available. Minor comments: Methods: 1. I note that the authors didn’t include a heading of ‘statistical methods’ in their manuscript, which of course means that their own study wouldn’t be picked up in future update of this study. 2. In Steps 1 and 2 for searching PLOS ONE, it would be helpful to provide the link to the code in Github. 3. The last paragraph of the Data sources/ANZCTR section describes a statistical analysis to investigate if particular studies were more likely to be missing a statistical methods section. This section doesn’t seem to fit with the rest of the section as it describes a statistical method (specific to the ANZCTR). Results: 4. In Figure S1, it’s not clear what ‘non-specific analysis’ means. 5. In lines 193-195, the reported figures (95518, 64144, 13380 and 13627) don’t match the figures in S1. It would be good if there was a more obvious link between the text and the figure. 6. Similar to the above comment, in lines 230, the figure ‘9623 had a completed statistical methods section’ doesn’t match the `analysed’ figure in Fig S1. It would be good if there was an obvious link between the text and the figure. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). 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An observational analysis of the trope "A p-value of < 0.05 was considered statistically significant" and other cut-and-paste statistical methods PONE-D-21-33560R1 Dear Dr. White, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Benedikt Ley, PhD Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): Many thanks for addressing all comments by the reviewers and commenting on the resolved coding issues. Reviewers' comments: |
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PONE-D-21-33560R1 An observational analysis of the trope “A p-value of < 0.05 was considered statistically significant” and other cut-and-paste statistical methods Dear Dr. White: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr Benedikt Ley Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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