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PONE-D-21-07718 Unpredictability of the “when” impedes learning of the “what” and “where” PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Tsogli, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jun 05 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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[Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is an interesting paper on the role of temporal predictions on predictions of statistical structure and physical location. The question is an important and difficult one, as indeed, time is often neglected in the statistical learning and predictive coding framework. The protocol is sound and the analyses as well. The paper is overall clear. I have a few suggestions to strengthen the message and clarify the overall structure. 1. I think that the introduction would gain from a somewhat deeper theoretical perspective. For instance, the authors could cite the work of Dehaene et al 2015 published in Neuron. There the authors suggest five distinct systems capable of representing sequence knowledge at increasing degrees of abstraction. The first level is transition and timing and it serves as a base for the following levels. This is quite different from what the authors claim in the introduction, namely that changes in transition timing should not affect statistical learning. Dehaene, S., Meyniel, F., Wacongne, C., Wang, L., & Pallier, C. (2015). The neural representation of sequences: from transition probabilities to algebraic patterns and linguistic trees. Neuron, 88(1), 2-19. 2. On a more “technical” note I think that the last section of the introduction is less clear than the rest of the introduction. Some restructuring may be necessary from line 56. It would also be important to explain why the authors used two types of deviant stimuli (what and where). Did they have different hypotheses concerning the effect of isochrony on stimulus type deviancy ? For instance, a stronger effect on statistical deviancy (cognitive) and smaller on location (lower level perception)? This is what I would expect considering that statistical structure of auditory sequences is temporal, while location is not. 3. When reading the methods the rationale for using Shepard's tones is not clear. Is this really important also considering that the authors correctly permute the stimuli/"letter" relation across participants. 4. The result section would be much simpler if the authors run a global model. As it is, it is difficult to grasp the results. Isochronicity should be a factor and deviancy type should be another one. If the model becomes too big, the authors could focus on a literature based topographical region of interest (mean of ROI). Indeed the partitioning into anteroposterior and centrolateral ROIs does not seem to add much to the results(although statistical deviancy seemsto be slightly more frontal). 5. In the discussion, in reference to what I stated above (point 1), I would tend to complexify a bit the first interpretation of the results, namely "the greater saliency of the physical deviance, in contrast to the statistical deviance, presumably explains the elicitation of the location MMN even when there was a high level of uncertainty about the onset of the stimuli." While this hypothesis is a good one, it is also possible that this difference is due to the nature of the deviancy. A statistical deviancy is temporal, while this is not the case for a location deviancy. This may (also/possibly) explain why the location deviancy is more robust to non-isochronicity. 6. The informational content hypothesis is interesting although a mixed-model analysis including single trial informational content as a regressor would be more convincing. I do not know if the authors tried this, it should not be too complicated and it would be highly relevant since the discussion brings a lot on the role of informational content that, for now, is only "indirectly" assessed. I congratulate the authors for their work and I hope that my remarks will allow them to clarify and strengthen their message. Best regards Daniele Schön (signed review) Reviewer #2: In this interesting study, the authors address the role of temporal regularity in the statistical learning of sound patterns using electroencephalography (EEG). Participants were presented with a continuous stream of standard and deviant sound triplets, where sound onsets asynchronies (SOAs) were randomized in the range 0-300 ms. The deviations were either (i) statistical (low-probability), (ii) physical (presented counter-laterally), or (iii) double (low-probability; counter-lateral). Critically, the authors compared their MMN results with a nearly identical experiment where sound triplets were presented with a regular timing (i.e., isochronous SOAs). The comparison showed a relative attenuation in the physical ("where") and statistical ("what") MMN responses for temporally irregular stimuli. This result was interpreted with the precision-weighting hypothesis of the predictive coding (PC) framework: statistical and physical predictions are less reliable in a temporally irregular context, resulting in down-weighted neural prediction errors. The conclusion is that temporal regularity is a fundamental prerequisite of statistical learning, that so far has been neglected in computational models. I liked the manuscript: it is well written and discussed. Below you can find a few suggestions and some concerns on the methodology/results that the authors could address. Methodology - It could be useful to add tables to highlight the main differences between the two studies: e.g., one table with demographic information (optional) and another with key aspects of stimulation/analyses. The reader will see immediately that most parameters match, except for the factor of interest (temporal regularity: irregular vs isochronous) and few other parameters (e.g., sound duration: 150 vs. 220; sound timbre: 1 vs. 6 percussions; software for statistical analysis: JASP vs. SPSS; etc.). My opinion is that these tables will give the article more clarity: it is, after all, a comparison study. Further, it will be easier (and faster) for the readers to decide whether the few differences might or not be factors that affect the comparison. - The authors could also present individual waveform data and grand averages with 95% confidence intervals (CI). This would require some additional work. However, it would be useful for the readers to assess how many participants show the results you described in the manuscript. - I understand that this study must be consistent, in methodology and analyses, with the previous experiment [25]. I find, however, that EEG analyses limited to a few clusters of electrodes and to one specific time window, are a bit outdated… I wonder why it was not performed an ANOVA for all time points and electrodes so that effects could be revealed in time and space without any biases. This can be achieved e.g. in EEGlab using the Fmax permutation method (Groppe et al., 2011). No fear, I am not suggesting to do new analyses. However, I feel that this is a methodological weakness that could have been easily addressed (perhaps in future works…). - Which criteria did you use to define the second time window for statistical MMN? One method is to centre a time window on the peak of the grand-average difference wave, but you might have used another method. Please specify. Results - I might have overlooked this point: Why are the results for the double deviants missing in both studies? What are the authors’ expectations in relation to the interaction between the two deviant types? - Temporal irregularity is shown to reduce MMN responses, and this result was interpreted as suppression of prediction errors from precision-weighting mechanisms. One alternative hypothesis is that, in the present condition, there might be more contamination from neural responses of the previous sounds. This would occur if the SOA between the penultimate and the last sound of the triplets is small (e.g., 50 ms). In the manuscript, it is mentioned briefly that a form of selection was performed on standard and deviant epochs so that “only [those] with at least 200 ms from the adjacent trigger were included in the analysis”. Is this the way to address the mentioned issue? If that is the case, I would suggest to say it more explicitly. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: Yes: Daniele Schön Reviewer #2: Yes: Massimo Lumaca [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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PONE-D-21-07718R1Unpredictability of the “when” impedes learning of the “what” and “where”PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Tsogli, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. EDITORIAL COMMENT: The response to the data sharing requirement is incomplete. There are ways to make measured data unidentifiable: please consult your ethical committee. The analysis scripts and code could also be shared. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 11 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #2: No ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #2: The authors addressed all my comments. I have only few minor suggestions for tables and figures. Tables - All tables. I'd remove "previous study" and use the correct reference ("Tsogli et al. 2019"). - Table 2. Terminology. It is subtle the difference in meaning between "interstimulus interval" and "SOA". I understand that "interstimulus interval" is the silent interval between the offset of one tone and the onset of the next tone within the same triplet (I could not find this definition in the main text). "SOA" is instead the silent interval between tone onsets within the same triple. However, several studies define interstimulus interval as the time interval between the offset of the last tone in a triplet and the onset of the first tone in the next triplet. Why not simply add the SOA range to avoid confusion? Then, I would include the 'real' interstimulus interval (as defined in the previous point), which is currently missing. - Table 4. Please, correct "current study" with "Tsogli et al. 2019" (under box: Isochronous stimulation). Figures - Fig. 1. The last example triplet of the train is a deviant (CDE). - Fig. 2. ERP results pertain to two different experiments/studies and this should be made clearer. It could be useful for readers who skim through the figures, deciding whether or not to read the main text. At first glance, it appears that both conditions were performed in this study (ISO and non-ISO). - Fig. 2. The shaded area on the ERPs represents the SEM. Please, include this information in the legend. Main text: line 342. “EPRs” ********** 7. 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