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PONE-D-21-20672 Living Fast in the Triassic: New data on life history in Lystrosaurus (Therapsida: Dicynodontia) from northeastern Pangea PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Kulik, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Aug 26 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: N/A Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This paper focuses on the osteohistology of Lystrosaurus from the Jiucaiyuan Formation of northwestern China and thus, gives a (relatively) new perspective on Lystrosaurus life history from a northern hemisphere perspective. Lystrosaurus is an ideal study taxon for examining life history changes during mass extinction events as it survived the end-Permian mass extinction to become the most abundant vertebrate in the post-extinction ecosystem. Thus, any new data on Lystrosaurus is globally relevant. This paper is very similar to a recently published paper on Chinese Lystrosaurus osteohistology by Han et al. 2020 even finding very similar conclusions, so the value in this research is not necessarily novel data, but increasing the sample size of Chinese Lystrosaurus to support Han et al.’s 2020 findings. The authors do, however, dispute some of the details of Han et al.’s 2020 paper (which I partially agree with - they may have misidentified a few growth marks, especially in the youngest individuals, but they are correct for the most part) and the authors in this paper provide a very good dataset on the basal skull length of Lystrosaurus skulls from China. The paper is very well written and detailed and although very similar to the Han et al. 2020 paper, it does increase the sample size of Chinese Lystrosaurus and so should be published once the osteohistological details have been sorted out. There are some issues with identifications and descriptions that need to be fixed or clarified before the paper can be ready for publication. I have provided numerous comments on the pdf itself, but there are some issues that need to be explained here and corrected in the manuscript. 1. Despite Prondvai et al. 2014 updating bone tissue terminology very few paleohistologists accepted the change in terminology (including myself) until the recent publication of a new osteohistology textbook by Buffrenil et al. 2021. This book finally accepts that the osteohistology terminology should be updated and more correct definitions be attributed to bone tissue types from a developmental perspective. This gives more meaning to the descriptions. The book is very new and only became available during the submission of this paper so it is unlikely the authors have seen it or even have access to it. They are welcome to contact me as I have a pdf copy that I can send them, but this and the Prondvai reference really should be used to describe the bone tissues. I’m not judging, I’ve been remiss myself, but we need to start using the correct terminology now and this will correct or update both the Botha 2020 paper and the Han et al. 2020 paper on what Lystrosaurus bone histology really looks like. I’m sending you a table of definitions (see attachment) that will help you to identify the bone tissue types in the various ontogenetic stages. I can see certain aspects of the extracellular matrix in the high magnification images but neither the figures nor the images on Morphobank are high enough resolution for me to confirm static or dynamic osteogenesis – and you need this to decide what bone tissue type you are looking at. The term fibrolamellar bone is no longer used. Instead bone tissue types have been replaced with woven bone, parallel-fibered bone and the woven-parallel complex. Typically only embryonic or neonates have pure woven bone, which is SO (static osteogenesis) derived. Thus, what you are looking at in the Lystrosaurus bone tissues is the woven-parallel complex, which consists of both SO and DO (dynamic osteogenesis) derived bone tissues. This is where the PFB (parallel-fibered bone) as the lamellae around the primary osteons and within the extracellular matrix is deposited on a scaffold of woven bone. The term fibrolamellar complex (FLC) has been retained to describe tissues that are predominantly woven, but have the PFB component in the form of primary osteons. This is highly vascularized fast growing tissue that you will only see in young juveniles, but falls under the woven-parallel complex. Thus you can still use FLC if you explain what you mean, but from the images I am unsure if you do have FLC in any of your age classes. You may have had it in Age Class I (but you don’t have this), but I am unable to see enough of the osteocytes to see if you have predominantly SO or an equal amount of SO-DO in your Age Class II. In order to prove FLC you will need a very high magnification image of woven bone and it’s possible it’s present in the inner cortex of the bones in Figure 3, but unfortunately Fig 3B and C do not provide enough of the cortex to know if it’s FLC or WPC. These two images show WPC, for example in Fig 3C just under the letter C there is a nodule of woven bone, but unless I saw more of the cortex at this magnification, I cannot tell from your images if you have FLC or WPC. To prove FLC you need to replace Fig 3C with something showing more woven bone. I realise you had a point to 3C, so it might be more useful to replace Fig 3B with tissues showing a higher degree of SO. This follows through all of your age classes – you are not likely to find FLC in your older individuals, even though they are still far from being fully grown, it is likely that you have WPC as the dominant bone tissue type. This is the case for the South African and Indian Lystrosaurus. If it is difficult to redo some of the figures you could add several images to your Morphobank data – high magnification images. The reason why it’s important to get this description right is because, for example, you mention parallel-fibered bone in one of your elements – for an overall change from WPC to PFB, which has not been found in any Lystrosaurus specimens studied to date, would imply that you’ve found an individual that is showing the possible onset of reproductive maturity, or at least that it’s a late subadult, which is older than any Lystrosaurus specimen found to date. I do not see your parallel-fibered bone in the ulna, it still looks like WPC but with a much lower degree of the woven component, i.e. there is still static osteogenesis. The vascular canals in Figure 5M still looks like WPC and not PFB. Thus, if you’re right it has far reaching implications, but you have not shown enough evidence for a change from WPC to PFB. Another reason why it’s important to be absolutely sure you’re dealing with FLC (a subcategory of WPC) is that it indicates very high growth rates compared to WPC (although WPC still indicates high growth rates, depending on the proportion of SO). So if you still have FLC in your older age classes it’s suggesting that these animals were growing faster than Lystrosaurus in other parts of the world or were younger – so again it’s important to differentiate. Prondvai, E., K. H. Stein, A. de Ricqles and J. Cubo. 2014. Development-based revision of bone tissue classification: the importance of semantics for science. Biological Journal of the Linnean Society 112, 799–816. Buffrénil, de V., A. de Ricqlès, L. Zylberberg and K. Padian (eds.), Comparative skeletal histology and paleohistology, CRC Press, Taylor and Francis, Boca Raton, 824 pp. (the chapter by Buffrenil and Quilhac on bone tissue types). I think the paper would benefit from some polarized light images showing the woven look. 2. A very big issue are the vascular orientations. To clear something up that I see in a couple of places in the text, the phrase – laminar to fibrolamellar bone – is incorrect. Laminar bone is a kind of vascular orientation found within the fibrolamellar complex (previously known as FLB), so it IS FLC. I have seen descriptions written like this in papers before, but it is incorrect. The old Francillon et al 1990 book of definitions or the latest osteohistology book by Buffrenil et al 2021 gives you all the definitions of various vascular orientations within the woven-parallel complex. According to the images shown in this paper the younger individuals contain predominantly longitudinally-oriented primary osteons with perhaps some short anastomoses (not enough to be reticular), and as the individuals become older a predominance of plexiform or laminar bone appears. This is important because – although there is an overlap – the rule of thumb is that longitudinal canals indicate faster growth rates than laminar bone – and this would make sense as the older individuals become more laminar. There is also the hypothesis – based on extant studies – that laminar bone is stronger, which you would expect in the older individuals. Most of the vascular orientations for each bone are incorrect and this needs to be corrected. I won’t give you definitions to all the vascular orientations here. 3. The first definition of a growth mark is described as a LAG and annuli are not mentioned until they are described in the description part of the paper, with no definition. Growth marks include both annuli and LAGs (and even changes in vascular orientation), both annuli and LAGs need to be defined when they are first introduced as the bones contain both annuli and LAGs. 4. Lastly I would not suggest you identify the peripheral regions as an EFS in the places mentioned - you can mention it as a possibility but, particularly if you are basing this on ribs – or at least say it is just as likely (more than likely really) that you’re seeing a temporary decrease or cessation in growth. As one is generally dealing with a rib fragment, one doesn’t even know from where along the rib the section is taken, so the histology can change along the bone. You might tend to find more growth marks in ribs, but you really do not know if you’re dealing with an EFS or not – and you make this case in your discussion – that you haven’t found any senescent individuals yet. So I would suggest that you represent these regions as temporary changes in growth, but say that it's not impossible they represent an EFS (so change it around, because it is highly likely you are not looking at an EFS). Reviewer #2: IVPP V 27127=19SS26 This is a specimen from Shanshan, not Turfan! It is the only one from the upper portion of the Jiucaiyuan Formation. It should be caution to discuss it. Because it is so different from others! Also, could IVPP V 26548 represent an adult? Do you have the original photo of 19SS26, I check the preserved part is less than 20 cm, not 240mm (L241) ? Abbrev, for IVPP V appears first in Fig 1, anterior to L172 L182 Chang the format as IVPP V 27126.1 not – (a blank after V) Table 1 For same specimen, you need not add letter behind it. Fig.1 move below the paragraph begin from L 170 L 30 ‘Formation of northwestern China’ to ‘Formation of Xinjiang, China’ L62 Lystrosaurus has a low preferred temperature than other tetrapods (Liu et al., submitted) Liu, J., Angielczyk, K.D. and Abdala, F., 2021. Permo-Triassic tetrapods and their climate implications. Global and Planetary Change. It is almost accepted now. L109 northwestern to ‘Xinjiang,’ shows uninterrupted cortical growth, suggesting 336 that Lystrosaurus from the Jiucaiyuan Formation had a high intrinsic rate of growth that could 337 periodically arrest. L702 For Chinese names, you can list like YI Jian, LIU Jun, but all in same sequence L711 Lystrosaurus change to italicize ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: Yes: Jennifer BOTHA Reviewer #2: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. 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PONE-D-21-20672R1Living Fast in the Triassic: New data on life history in Lystrosaurus (Therapsida: Dicynodontia) from northeastern PangeaPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Kulik, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Nov 28 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Once you resubmit your comments and a potential revised version, I'll be happy to accept the manuscript for publication and pass that recommendation on to the editor in chief(editorial office. Best, Jörg [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: N/A ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I'm very happy with this second version. The authors have either made the corrections I suggested, or clarified my questions/confusion with clearer images. The authors are still a little wary of referring to dominant bone tissue type as a woven-parallel complex, and instead refer to it as both woven and parallel-fibered - I'm ok with this, it just might be confusing for less experienced readers who might think the authors are referring to overall parallel-fibered bone and not WPC. But I'll let the authors decide what they want to do. I have very minor comments on the pdf attached. Just something to check, I noticed figure 4 was placed after figure 6 in the document. One more thing, the largest femur might in fact have a LAG - where the crack is. I've noticed that cracks often run along LAGs - I can't prove to you that it's a potential growth mark, so I'll leave it to the authors to decide. Otherwise I'm happy for the MS to be published as is - very nice piece of work, well done! ********** 7. 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Living Fast in the Triassic: New data on life history in Lystrosaurus (Therapsida: Dicynodontia) from northeastern Pangea PONE-D-21-20672R2 Dear Dr. Kulik, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Jörg Fröbisch, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): Reviewers' comments: |
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