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PONE-D-21-03358 A fairer way to compare researchers at any career stage and in any discipline using open-access citation data PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Bradshaw, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Despite considering the paper interesting, both reviewers have raised a number of methodological concerns (please, note PLOS ONE's publication criterion #3, https://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/criteria-for-publication#loc-3). Some of such concerns might have a deep impact in the presented results (i.e. data source or discipline selection) and, therefore, should be paid special attention in your revision of the manuscript. In addition, Reviewer 2 initial comments might help you to better embed your work in the already huge literature of scientific performance indicators. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jun 24 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is an interesting paper that develops a measure to evaluate scholars' performance across career stages and disciplines. The algorithms and results are easy to understand with cool visualizations. However, I have several concerns about the experiments and evaluations of the proposed measure. First, the authors focused on eight disciplines when selecting researchers. But the selected disciplines do not seem to cover major disciplines in science. Most of them are subfields in biomedical research. Some important disciplines such as engineering, math and physics, social science, and computer science are missing in the list. Thus the experimental result does not necessarily support the claim that this measure works across all academic disciplines. I would recommend consulting a standard discipline catalog to reduce selection bias, such as the UCSD map of science (defines 13 disciplines): https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0039464. This catalog is also used in a recent paper: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/17/eabb9004. Second, the algorithm fits a linear line to each researcher based on three data points. This gives the area under the line A_{rel} for each researcher, which is then scaled to the maximum value in the sample (the one with the highest c_m). But why does the researcher with the highest c_m has the highest A_{rel}? Also, with this framework, if I understand the ranking algorithm correctly, there should exist a data point whose A_{rel} equals 1.0 in Fig. S3, but it's missing. Third, there is no external validation of the measure. The authors did compare the ranking obtained with the proposed measure to that based on the m-quotient (Fig. 3b), but this is not a proper validation. The paper assumes that this measure just works as expected and then is used as a ground truth to evaluate the m-quotients (by stating that "the relationship between ε′ and the m-quotient is non-linear and highly variable, meaning that m-quotients often poorly reflect actual relative performance"). What if it is the other way around --- the m-quotients ranks researchers in a meaningful way, which would then indicate that the proposed measure fits poorly. The paper does show that there is a level of relationships between A_{rel} and log_e(t) across disciplines with reported R^2 at the beginning. But how much R^2 is needed to support a strong correlation and the fitness of the model? I would recommend the authors validate the ranking against external ground truth data, such as the evaluation of researchers from experts via survey. Fourth, another limitation of this relative measure is that it's sensitive to the samples used in the ranking, especially when comparing researchers across disciplines. Let's imagine a scenario where one needs to compare two scholars (A and B) in two different disciplines. In one case, the peers we choose for A's discipline all perform worse than A; in another case, the peers selected all outperform A. Both conditions have the same samples for B's discipline. However, the ranking between A and B could be very different in the two conditions. Indeed, it is not meaningful and of little practical value to even considering comparing a computer scientist with a biologist in the first place. I think the paper could be improved based on these suggestions. Minor issue: Fig. 4 does not prove that "the m-quotient tends to increase through one's career, whereas sigma' is more stable" because the errorbars all seem to overlap with each other. Reviewer #2: Overall I find very interesting and well-written this article. It is well structured, conceived, and executed. I must confess that yet another article about h-index variants is not the road that the Bibliometrics community is looking for. A lot of (unused) variants have been published and, at the end of the day, only few of them add something to the discussion. In practical terms (availability of the indicator), only h-index is really used (g-index is rarely used in research evaluation in most countries). We need to separate the advancements of Bibliometrics, on the one hand, and the use of indicators for research evaluation, on the other. Despite the clear intersections among these fields, we find significant differences in their approaches and interests. Therefore, I would recommend authors to emphasize the limitations of previous indicators (and such uncovered things that research evaluation tasks still need) in greater detail, in order to justify properly the new proposal. Without a clear description of literature (and professional use of these indicators) gaps, new proposals feel incomplete. I find excessive the use of the term “fair”, not only in the title but also throughout the text. It is somewhat subjective, and no fair indicator exists. Moreover, I recommend linking strongly the proposal of new indicator with responsible indicators and responsible research movements. Please find below some minor comments, suggestions and recommendations oriented to make stronger the proposal. Among the many disadvantages of the h-index (I fully agree with most of them), I do not find its accumulative nature as a limitation, as long as evaluators use it as wisely as possible. The problem lies with the poor use of the indicator. Obviously a person with 50 years may have more experience and years worked than a 25 years old person. That not makes 'number of years working' a bad indicator itself, it is just incomplete if we want to measure applicant skills. Despite Google Scholar is free to access, data cannot be massively exported. No API exists, and this database shows some limitations (information noise, duplicates, errors, etc.). Google Scholar Profiles is a filter of Google Scholar, which depends on the author to create the profile accurately. These points should be discussed as it is the database used as a test-bed. Authors include some comments about it, but I believe they need to make stronger the reason to use this database and, later, how we can move to other databases in order to extrapolate the indicator to other controlled environments. If the indicator can only be operated with Google Scholar, it is a limitation. “The entire approach we present here assumes that each researcher’s Google Scholar profile is accurate, up-to-date, and complete.” � This is a dangerous approach. Real life shows us that profiles are noisy, with errors (some of them on purpose). It is clear that here the important thing is to test the statistical nature of the indicator. However, the sensitive of the indicator to the nature of the database in real conditions can add robustness to this proposal. Why authors selected these specific disciplines? Why the number of researchers is equal? The demography of these disciplines is not equal. � I understand the research design and the underlying reasons. However, again, the real conditions of the database should be acknowledged, and decisions should be strongly justified. With the results obtained I cannot be sure if the indicator would be useful for other disciplines and, then, generalizing the strengths of the indicator. “we did not intend for sampling to be a definitive comment about the performance of particular researchers, nor did we mean for each sample to represent an entire discipline” � While I understand this point, this is important, as authors are trying to operate an indicator with a particular dataset. Biases of this dataset can be inherited in the conclusions achieved. If the sample does not represent the entire discipline, then how I can infer its usefulness to this discipline? “peer-reviewed article published in a recognized scientific journal” � What a recognized scientific journal is for authors in the context of google scholar profiles? “For the designation of Y1, we excluded any reports, chapters, books, theses or other forms of publication that preceded the year of the first peer-reviewed article; however, we included citations from the former sources in the researcher’s i10, h, and cm.” � I disagree with this procedure. I do not see justifiable to exclude book chapters as document, and later include their citations, it can introduce citation biases. Please justify this decision. All figures performed are of excellent quality and are very informative. The data segregation according to gender is so interesting and adds new debates and discussions. I congratulate authors for this effort in data visualization. ********** 6. 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Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed Reviewer #3: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Partly ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #2: Yes Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #2: Authors have addressed correctly all my previous doubts and concerns. The revised manuscript has also fixed some minor errors. I believe the manuscript offers new interesting findings to the discipline. Reviewer #3: I think the authors did a good job addressing most of the comments in the previous round of reviews. Optionally, I suggest them to reconsider their response #4 to Reviewer #1, as I think that evaluating the correlation between their subjective opinions (or those of other experts) of the researchers in their pool and the ranking they obtain from their index would add substantial value to the paper. They clearly went through a lot of effort to assemble a large multidisciplinary team, so in my opinion this is very much low hanging fruit. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #2: No Reviewer #3: No |
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