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PONE-D-20-17020 Measuring Threshold and Latency of Motion Perception on a Swinging Bed PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Bozorg Grayeli, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Your paper presents and evaluates a new method for assessing motion perception. This test is interesting because it is quick, simple and not expensive. However, reviewers highlighted some important shortcomings that need to be addressed. The main one is that reproduciblilty has been evaluated at the group level not at indivual level but you need to pay carefull attention to the other concerns. Thus this paper need major revision, Please submit your revised manuscript by May 09 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Reviewing article PoNe-D-2017020 Measuring Threshold and latency of Motion Perception on a Swinging Bed I have read with interest this article which deals with a prospective study performed in 30 healthy blindfolded subjects explored with a rehabilitation swinging bed to evaluate and measure latency and threshold of pendular motion perception. This study was conducted in a population aged 20-61. The mean acceleration threshold is given at 9.2±4.6 °/s – 2. For the latency estimation the point of subjective synchronicity defined as the center of the range width of the synchronous perception interval is given at -195±106 ms In this work authors show after test and retest that this procedure is reliable to measure in a non-invasive manner information on movement perception. They suggest possible application for exploration in aging patients. The originality of this work lies in studying a double task with concomitant sound and vestibular information making this method a tool particularly devoted to the study of aging people This work is well presented and shows a promising procedure to explore with a non invasive, simple and not expensive method older subjects in order to identify alterations of motion perception threshold and modification of latency response related with ageing Minor remarks Abstract : possible typing error in the “”results” paragraph given by PLUs one “9.2±4.60 cm.s-2” which is not found and seems corrected in the final abstract and correctly written line 34 “. A similar typing error is noted p 12 line 227 to indicate -2. The indication for accelerations should be standardized for example cm/s-2 or else but written everywhere similarly Introduction: line 61 typing error “…inputs are processed more rapidly that vestibular..”: “that” should be replaced by “than” Fig 1 line 104: “The patient..with closed eyes..” “”closed eyes” should be replaced by “eyes blinded by a mask” which seems to be more accurate Discussion: line 194”…GVS had to occure..” should be “had to occur” Discussion line 215: “While the ability..sequence remais intact…”: should be “… remains..” It could be suggested for more clarity and to easy the reading to give at the beginning of this work a short list of abbreviations PSS; GVS; SPI: sound perceptual interval; SSI; SSD..And so on.. Remarks The age of the studied population ranges from 20 to 61. The measure of the latency is established on the response after a sound to indicate the synchronicity or not of the beep/peak of each oscillation. The beep is dispatched by a loud speaker and the distance of the sound source to the examined subject should be specified . The sound velocity in the air is around 300 m/s , so if the source is at 1 or 2 or 3 m the delay of the sound to be perceived is around 3 to 10 ms The question of a beep displayed by a ear phone could possibly rule out a possible Bias related to the protocol and not directly related to the subject response. What is the rationale to have preferred a loud speaker to earphones? The authors have opted for a vocal signal over a manual signal for indicating the concordance resented by the patient with their perception and the beep emission . In this way the reaction time delay is reasonably minimized It would have been interesting to have in the discussion considerations about the reaction time which is higher in aging peoples over 60 or 65 Yo. On one other hand Otolith system performances explored with VEMP shows modifications with aging and the discussion could have consider with more details and more clarity the possible contribution of the different vestibular systems to a possible modification of the threshold of motion perception and latency . However authors mention in the chapter limitations that in their procedure the supine position stimulate several vestibular captors . these different captors could be possibly cited including otolith, proprioceptive but also probably superior semicircular canals since in this procedure only the contribution of the lateral SCC seems to be ruled out. Other Remarks The introduction should be slightly modified since it is advocated and presented as a work about aging…So it is expected to find results about measuring perception delay in aging patient...; However the results are only given for patients from 20 to 61 y o ? . It would have been more logical to present clearly and simply this work as a preliminary work for studying in a further work aging peoples and to present the main goal of this study to verify the validity of this model of experiment to evaluate with a great reliability and simplicity with a not expensive material latency of motion perception and the function of the otolith or a more global vestibular or balance system ? The decline of the otolithic system is signalled in aging people by Y. Agrawal , F. Wuyts et al (JV res 2019) and by Lingchao Li (2018) when measuring the cVEMP as soon as 60 YO and for oVEMP a little later (60 -80 YO ) by Li et al (2015) and Tseng et al (2010) ; degenerescence of otoconies is mentioned by Rosenhall et al and JI S and Zhai (2018). Baltes et al and Baloh et al have signaled that 50% of adults older than 60 YO have a physiological impairment of their physiological function. These aspects could be more developed in the discussion . One interesting point is the dispersion of sound-peak and peak –sound thresholds and synchronous perception intervals: the point of subjective synchronicity is signaled before the real point of the peak (head at the maximal height) possibly correlated to sensitivity of the threshold and could be more largely commented in the discussion. This work is interesting and provides a suitable and promising method to evaluate in a simple way modifications of motion perception threshold and latency for further studies evaluating aging peoples. It could be accepted for publication after minor modifications concerning the introduction, explanations of a few options in the protocol (source of emission of beeps) and in the discussion a more clear exposition of the possible inner ear or proprioceptive targets involved to explain the possible modifications expected in aging peoples in a further study Reviewer #2: In this paper, the authors tested the possibility to use a new, simple set-up for both estimating the acceleration threshold for perceiving body oscillations and for assessing the latency of motion perception. A secondary objective was to determine whether the results obtained with this set-up were reproducible. The set-up consisted of a rehabilitation swinging bed suspended to a 2.5 m-high gantry. Using this set-up, the authors found an acceleration threshold similar to what is reported in the literature. However, the latency of motion perception appeared different to what was expected. There is indeed a need for developing a simple, and relative low-cost set-up for exploring otoneurological diseases. This effort is therefore a welcome one. Unfortunately, the description of the set-up, and of the methods are not sufficiently detailed to judge the validity of the study and of the device. The methods section is not written with enough information so that the experiment could be repeated by others. From my understanding of the methods section (note that I might be wrong), only two trials were performed to test the reproducibility of the results related to the acceleration threshold for perceiving body oscillations. The authors tested the reproducibility at the group level, rather than at the individual level. Because the authors’ goal was to develop and to evaluate a new system, a thorough test of the reproducibility is needed. Rather, the authors tried to keep the experimental test as short as possible, as if they were doing clinical testing. Specific comments Line 28: change “patients” by “subjects” (throughout the text). Line 53 : It should be made clear that the 2 parameters presented here (based on body acceleration) are not the only parameters that can characterize the awareness of the body movement. Line 63: The authors should provide some examples of methods that are currently used to test the awareness of the body movements by vestibular inputs and specify why they judged them unsatisfactory. Line 66: A minimum of information should be provided about rehabilitation swinging beds to understand why they can be considered as potentially efficient for the exploration of movement perception. It is not clear why the authors feel swinging beds safer and less invasive than methods currently used for the exploration of movement perception. For instance, Kingma (2005), cited by the authors, used “a motor driven linear sled running on a horizontal track of 4.2 metres (maximum velocity 3.7 m/s; maximum acceleration 1.2 m/s2 adjustable in steps of 1 cm/s2” (page 2). “The subjects were seated upright with their feet on a footrest; head fixed against a headrest and the body restrained with safety belt” (page 3). This method then appears perfectly safe and non-invasive. Line 67. The first hypothesis presented at the end of the introduction “the comparison between the delay of a sound stimulus and the body oscillation on a swinging bed could be reproducible parameter to estimate the multisensory integration of movement perception” is not clear and needs to be rephrased. Moreover, the fact that this hypothesis is related to multisensory integration came a bit as a surprise as the authors did not discuss about multisensory integration in the introduction. Line 69: The sentence presenting the second hypothesis is poorly formulated: “We also hypothesized that the acceleration perception threshold could be measured on the same device”. I also wonder if this can be really considered as an experimental hypothesis. Line 72: The authors mentioned that their aim “was to develop a system to measure the delay of body movement perception and the threshold of acceleration perception”. At this point, the difference between “body movement perception” and “threshold of acceleration perception” is not clear. Line 94: What are the sensory systems stimulated by the bed oscillations? Line 98: What was the spatial resolution of the scale? Line 98: The methods used to measure bed motion is difficult to understand. It seems that the device could detect bed position/movement as it produced, for each cycle, a beep when the subject’s head was at its highest position. Why then was it necessary to use the projection of the laser on the scale on the ground to estimate head tangential acceleration? How this device allowed sending a beep precisely 750 ms (and 700ms, 650 ms, etc.) before the head reached its highest position? Line 99: Even after several readings, it is hard to understand the methods used to measure the latency of the movement perception. The text indicates that an infrared detector was placed on the ground to detect the passage of the bed at its lowest point at each cycle. This device was connected to a processor and a loudspeaker enabling the system to produce a beep when the patient’s head was at its highest position. There is something missing to understand how the signal detected at ground level can be used to produce a beep when the patient head was at its highest position. Line 112: Which method was used in preliminary experiments to test a possible effect of wind during the swing movement? Line 116: From my understanding of the methods, for each subject, acceleration thresholds were only tested twice. If this was indeed the case, it is not enough to assess the reproducibility of the results, particularly because the aim of this study was to assess this reproducibility. Line 116: “all measurements”. Are there many? The authors should specify what these measurements are. Line 119: The methods used to measure the movement perception delay need clarification. Were both forward and backward peaks used for this assessment? If so, did movement perception differ according to the considered peak? How many oscillations were produced by each bed release? How many bed releases were needed for assessing movement perception? The oscillation amplitudes decreased with the number of cycles. Were the oscillations stopped when their amplitude dropped below a given amplitude, before producing a new bed release? Also, why were the subjects asked to estimate the time their head reached their highest position rather than to estimate the time of the downward motion onset? The latter variable would seem more appropriate for estimating movement perception. Line 152: Does the authors have an explanation for the observed large difference between the sound-peak threshold and the peak-sound threshold? Line 185: The sound had to occur before the peak to be considered as synchronous. On the contrary, and as mentioned by the authors, previous studies showed that vestibular sensations were perceived later than sounds. The authors proposed that this could be due to the predictability of the swinging movement in their study, while vestibular stimulation could not be predicted in previous studies. This hypothesis is plausible. Another hypothesis that needs to be considered is that prior to the peak, body acceleration fell below the acceleration threshold for detecting body motion. The authors’ finding could also result from a delay for generating the beep on the basis of bed position signal. It is important to measure and to provide this delay (and as specified above, to specify the methods used to precisely send to beeps prior to the peaks). Line 210: The authors hypothesized that subjects made temporal corrections based on previous asynchrony. This could be tested by testing whether the asynchrony changed over the experimental session. Line 234: The authors mentioned that the swinging bed stimulated non-vestibular sensory inputs (e.g. somatosensory inputs) before adding “Nevertheless, the measures were reproducible and appeared to be coherent”. What is the link between these two statements? Figure 3 caption. Sound-peak (SP) and peak-sound (PS) thresholds should be defined in the text. Figure 3. The figure shows that 6 subjects had the same P-S threshold, probably -750 ms, i.e. the greatest lag used in the study. I wonder if these data represent the actual subjects’ perception of the synchrony between the sound and the peak. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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PONE-D-20-17020R1 Measuring Threshold and Latency of Motion Perception on a Swinging Bed PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Bozorg Grayeli, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. You have satisfactorily addressed all the issues raised by the reviewers. However, I have one comment and one remark, both minor. In the surmmary, you should specifiy that the peak is a position one. In the discussion you should add a comment on the fact that the subject can (or cannot) use information from the beep in the synchronicity task. Indeed, auditory system is able to detect when the sound source is moving away or approaching using Doppler effect or changes in sound intensity. As velocity at the peack position is zero, the subject knows that the beep is synchronous to the peak position only if he does not perceive the sound source moving. I guess 5ms is too short for a beep to give movement information, but you should comment this (with references). Please submit your revised manuscript by Jul 05 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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