Responses to Reviewer #1 comments
Comment R1.1
The authors present a very nice systematic approach to multiscale modeling and apply
this approach to the prediction of the fracture strength of a femur. The formulation
of the model is explained clearly in the paper. The reviewer agrees with the authors
that the details scale separation is often lacking in many publications and the method
applied in this paper provides a methodology to better describe scale separation.
In the reviewer's opinion, the manuscript is free of errors and is of very high quality.
The reviewer feels that the manuscript is suitable for publication, upon addressing
the following minor comments.
Response
We appreciate the reviewer for their comment.
Comment R1.2
Minor Comments:
1) One item that seems to be missing is Table 1. There is a reference to Table 1 on
line 279, but I was unable to locate Table 1 in the manuscript.
Response
We thank the reviewer for pointing out this omission. The information intended to
be presented in the missing table was already presented in the text of §2.3.3. Hence,
for the sake of brevity, the reference to the missing Table 1 has been removed at
line 301 in the revised manuscript.
Comment R1.3
2) The authors have done an extensive job of explaining the model setup and the execution
of the model for the examples provided. However, the reviewer would like the authors
to discuss in the manuscript the relevance of the changes in vBMD for the predicted
in Figure 4. Without this type of physical interpretation of the results, it is difficult
to assess the relevance of its predictive capacity.
Response
Both the original multiscale model (Fig 3A) and the modified multiscale model (Fig
3B) predict a change in femur strength over 10 years. Both models start with the same
information at the initial time point i.e. quantitative computed tomography (qCT)
image data. In the original multiscale model, it is assumed that the change in femur
strength over a 10-year period is a universal value and the function "s" ^"[2]" in
model S2 is taken from a population-based regression [24]. In the modified multiscale
model, it is assumed that the rate of change in femur strength is not universal, and
in particular, is dependent on the subject’s femur geometry and the initial vBMD distribution.
Indeed, the predicted femur strength after 10 years is different for the two models.
The relevance of Fig 4 is that it explains the difference between the two predictions.
In the modified multiscale model, the change in vBMD per unit time is a universal
(not subject-specific) and homogeneous value; it is given by the function "r" ^"[2]"
in model S2� and derived from population-based regression of data obtained in Yang et al. [1].
Yet, this universal and homogeneous change is superposed (as shown in Fig 4) on the
initial distribution of vBMD over the femur geometry. As both initial vBMD distribution
and femur geometry are subject-specific, the predicted change in femur strength is
also subject-specific. Lines 739–744 in the revised manuscript highlight this relevance.
Responses to Reviewer #2 comments
Comment R2.1
a) The authors describe several aspects of multiscale modeling, with particular emphasis
on bone biomechanics.
b) In the introduction, they deplore a situation where “most multiscale models in
biomedicine” would define scales in the sense of anatomical concepts, such as “body”,
“organ”, “tissue”, “cell” etc.
c) Quite strangely, they fully ignore the rich literature on continuum micromechanics,
see e.g. the review in J Eng Mech 128, 808-816, 2002; and its applications in biomechanics,
in particular bone biomechanics (see e.g. J Theor Biol 244, 597-620, 2007; Acta Mech
213, 131-143, 2010; and references therein), where the scale separation problem has
been actually largely solved.
Response
a) Our examples are drawn from bone biomechanics because of our familiarity with this
area of research. The approach to multiscale modelling developed in the present study
is not intended to be limited to this application. This point was already made in
the previous version (see lines 127¬–129 in the revision) but is now further emphasised
in the revised manuscript at lines 110–111 and 590–592.
b) In paragraphs 3–6 of the Introduction section, various existing multiscale modelling
approaches were presented. The intent was to highlight the differences in the underlying
motivations between these approaches and the approach presented here. In our view,
continuum micromechanics approaches fall under the type of approach described in paragraph
4 of the Introduction. In response to the reviewer’s comment, this view is clarified
in the revised manuscript (lines 72–75). Where we talk about “most multiscale models
in biomedicine” we are not referring specifically to continuum micromechanics approaches.
This is also clarified in the revised manuscript (lines 89–91).
Continuum micromechanics based multiscale modelling approaches are a subset of applied
mathematics and continuum mechanics (AM&CM for brevity) based approaches, which are
also referred to extensively in the comments of Reviewer #3. Hence, in the following,
we use “AM&CM” to denote continuum micromechanics as well.
c) It is not possible to present an exhaustive review of any of these approaches,
as each is a vast field in itself. Such an undertaking would better suit a review
article, which the present study is not. In response to the reviewer’s comment, the
revised manuscript now includes references to reviews of application of AM&CM to biomechanics
and to bone biomechanics in particular (line 79). It is clarified that these references
should not be construed as exhaustive (line 102).
We agree with the reviewer in that the AM&CM approach has successfully solved several
multiscale problems in biomechanics, and especially in bone biomechanics. Yet, our
view is that several multiscale problems in biomechanics, including bone biomechanics,
are far from being solved. A specific example of such a problem is that considered
in §2.3 of the manuscript, which to the best of our knowledge has not been investigated
using an AM&CM approach. Please also see the response to comment R2.2 below. More
generally, the terms “multiscale modelling” and “scale separation” can imply different
notions depending on which approach is used; indeed, this is the main message of the
Introduction section. Hence, we respectfully differ from the claim that the scale
separation problem in bone biomechanics has been largely solved.
Comment R2.2
Instead of introducing anatomical concepts, it has turned out beneficial to introduce
so-called material volumes or representative volume elements (RVEs): For most of the
practically encountered stiffness contrasts and volume fractions encountered in the
context of bone biomechanics, the latter need to be separated from each other by a
factor between 2 and 3, as has been shown both theoretically in a landmark paper of
Drugan and Willis, J Mech Phys Solids 44, 497-524, 1999, and through experimental
validations in the context of many applications on bone materials; see e.g. Eur J
Mech 23A, 783-810, 2004; Biomech Model Mechanobiol 2, 219-238, 2004; Transp Por Med
58, 243-268, 2005; J Theor Biol 260, 230-252, 2009; Ultrasonics 54, 1251-1269, 2014;
Comp Meth Biomech Biomed Eng 17, 48-63, 2014; Int J Plast 91, 238-267, 2017. On the
other hand, the largest RVE needs to be separated from the structural scale by a factor
of 5 to 10, as e.g. shown experimentally, see Eng Str 47, 115-133, 2013.
Response
We agree with the reviewer’s comment. In AM&CM based multiscale models of bone, an
RVE-based definition of “scale” has yielded useful results. We thank the reviewer
for the excellent reference to Drugan [2] which shows that even when scales are separated
by a finite factor, one may expect predictions of reasonable accuracy. These advances
are briefly reviewed in the revised manuscript (lines 76–80).
As mentioned in the response to comment R2.1, not all multiscale problems in biomechanics
have been solved. One specific example is the problem considered in §2.3 of the manuscript.
It is not clear how successful an AM&CM approach will be for this problem, or more
generally, for all multiscale problems in biomechanics. In the following, the studies
referenced by the reviewer are briefly considered with this question in mind.
Hellmich et al. [3] estimated the “ultrastructural” stiffness Cultra (1–10 μm “scale”)
in the human femur. One can imagine further homogenising Cultra to obtain stiffness
at the “microscale” [defined as 100 μm to several mm in 3]. In turn, the microscale
stiffness can be used to predict femur strength using methods described in detail
elsewhere [4]. Hellmich et al. [3] validated the predicted ultrastructural moduli
of human femur against elastic moduli that were either inferred from sonic velocities
measured on 2 mm specimens [5] or measured directly on 5 mm specimens [6]. In both
cases, the experimental specimens were excised from human femora. We ignore here the
discrepancy between the scales compared by Hellmich et al. [3]: 1–10 μm in the model
vs 2 mm / 5 mm in the experiments. Even so, their lowest prediction error (model II,
longitudinal Young’s modulus) is ~1.11 GPa. This is ~ 2.5x higher than that of the
regression model of Morgan et al. [7] which has a standard error of 443 MPa. In the
single scale model (model S1), quantitative computed tomography (qCT) data is used
as input to Morgan et al. [7] model to obtain heterogeneous bone elastic properties
and then on to predict femur strength. A larger prediction error implies poor site-specificity,
and the error of 1.1 GPa is comparable to the 1.5–4.5 GPa range of variation of elastic
moduli in the femur neck [7]. It is well known that the accuracy of elastic properties
is the most important factor determining the accuracy of ex vivo femur strength prediction
[8, 9]. Hence, it is doubtful that if the model of Hellmich et al. [3] was used to
predict femur strength, the resulting accuracy would be higher than that of the S1
scale model of §2.3.
The absence of a “microscale” stiffness prediction in Hellmich et al. [3] was resolved
in Hellmich et al. [10]. Although “microscale” RVEs were redefined as having dimensions
of 5–10 mm, the scale discrepancy between model and experiments was removed. Unfortunately,
the prediction error of Hellmich et al. [10] model for human bones [11, 12] is 29–39%,
which is still much larger than that of [7] which is ~ 15%.
Morgan et al. [7] and Taddei et al. [9] concerned prediction of bone strength, which
can only be measured ex vivo. In the in vivo setting, multiple studies [13-16] have
shown that the regression model of Morgan et al. [7] coupled with an FE modelling
approach based on Taddei et al. [9] predicts bone strength values that can classify
fracture status very accurately. It is not clear whether the model of Hellmich et
al. [10] gives similar accuracy in vivo. The assurance of in vivo accuracy is essential
to solve the example multiscale problem considered in §2.3.
The models of Hellmich and co-workers [17-21] predict plasticity, viscoelasticity
and damage responses of bone at the microscale. As such, these models require inputs
at various underlying “scales” in order to characterise the hierarchical organisation
of bone. In the above studies, these inputs were obtained from data reported in literature
on ex vivo samples. Typical inputs needed were volume fractions of spaces occupied
by vascular (in “bone microstructure”) and lacunar (“extravascular bone material”)
material. It remains unclear whether such data be obtained in an in vivo setting as
well, with sufficient precision to detect site- and subject-specific variability.
Without such assurance, it is doubtful that ex vivo accuracy can be replicated.
Lastly, the scale separation in time is not accounted for in any of the AM&CM-based
approaches discussed above. This demonstrates that the success of AM&CM approaches
is partial, and there is still a need for developing a new approach. A more general
point is that every model is useful only for answering a specific question. This is
also true for any multiscale model. While the multiscale models referenced by the
reviewer are extremely useful to understand how the hierarchical organisation of bone
controls its mechanics in general, they are not very useful in answering the multiscale
question considered in §2.3 where subject-specificity and in vivo capability are important
considerations.
Comment R2.3
Hence, the state of the art is far less deplorable than the authors state – and the
actual question which arises is, how the results given by the authors would actually
enrich the current state of the art.
Response
The main result of the present study is the novel approach of defining scales and
of constructing a multiscale model. The prediction of 10-year femur strength is an
illustration of this main result. Therefore, in the following, we only discuss three
added benefits of this new approach.
The proposed approach allows to communicate the process of multiscale model creation
in a systematic and organised fashion (a sequence of 8 clearly distinct steps). To
the best of our knowledge, this sequence of steps has not been clearly spelled out
elsewhere, although some of these are often employed by modellers. The approach emphasises
model creation steps that are beyond the description of the mathematical machinery
employed.
The organisation of the modelling process is rooted in the language of experimental
evidence. This has two benefits. The first is that it is not necessary to assume the
validity of a hypothetical scale model (or “fine-scale” model in the AM&CM sense).
This assumption is the basis of all AM&CM approaches but does not yield useful results
in all contexts of use.
The second benefit is that for a model created using this approach, it should be straightforward
to determine exactly which aspect(s) of the model should be revised following an improvement
in experimental capability.
These advantages are now clarified in the Discussion section of the revised manuscript,
which has been significantly expanded.
Comment R2.4
In this context, a few critical issues arise, which need to be carefully discussed
by the authors:
In Section 2.1, the authors somehow compare the characteristic size of an organ L*
with the “ignorable distance” l*, which is reminiscent of the aforementioned length
of the representative volume element – later on, the authors prefer the notion “grain”
in that context. The comparison between L* and l* looks plausible, but ignores an
important aspect: It is not so much the overall length of the organ which needs to
be separated from l*, but the characteristic length of the structural loading, norm
of macroscopic stress over norm of gradient of macroscopic stress, i.e. a “wavelength“,
see e.g. J Eng Mech 128, 808-816, 2002; Auriault et al, Homogenization of Coupled
Phenomena in Heterogeneous Media, Wiley 2010.
Response
We thank the reviewer for their comment. We agree with the reviewer that in the continuum
mechanics approach, one needs to derive a “macroscale” formulation that is consistent
with a “microscale” formulation in the limit of asymptotic “scale” separation. (The
quotes emphasise that these words have specific meanings in that approach.) The microscale
equations involve mechanical variables. Hence, separation of length scales is defined
in terms of lengths over which mechanical variables characteristically vary, giving
rise to notions of macro- / micro- stresses.
However, the approach presented in this manuscript should in no way be confused with
the AM&CM approach (see response to comments R2.1–2.3). Specifically, here l* is not
the dimension of a representative volume element (RVE) in the sense of an AM&CM approach.
Similarly, the reviewer’s comment regarding the size of L* is relevant when using
an AM&CM approach, but not in the present approach.
In the present approach, separation of scales simply means that there is no single
set of instruments that can characterise the portion of reality that is being modelled
(i.e. hypothetical scale). The dimensions l* and L* are simply the bounds of the hypothetical
scale. The hypothetical scale is decomposed into real scales, but there is no underlying
hierarchy such as “micro”-“meso”-“macro” between these scales (unlike in AM&CM). Component
models at each real scale are formulated based on what is observable at that scale.
The credibility of the component models is assured by experiments performed at the
corresponding scale. Therefore, there is no need to separately ensure that component
models at different scales are asymptotically equivalent to each other or to the hypothetical
scale model. This is clarified in lines 635–639 and lines 697–705 of the revised manuscript.
Comment R2.5
Model S1 seems to be related to a grain size of 0.1 mm; while model S2 seems to relate
to a grain size of 1 mm – however, the manuscript is not fully clear about the second
choice; as on page 18 and 19, sizes of 0.1 mm are given with respect to l2* are given
(these are probably misprints). In this context, it is important to repeat that RVE-lengths
(or grain sizes) need to be separated in scale, from heterogeneities inside the RVE:
In this context, the choice of 0.1 mm does not make sense: this is the size where
either vascular pores or extravascular bone matrix can be observed, but no “continuous
bone phase”. Hence, from a rigorous continuum micromechanics viewpoint, model S1 is
invalid.
Response
The multiscale modelling approach presented here is different from existing multiscale
modelling approaches in several aspects. One key aspect is that a real (not hypothetical)
scale is defined always based on the capabilities of experimental instrumentation
being used. In particular, the instrumentation informs the grain and the extent of
the corresponding real scale. Obviously, the same portion of reality can be observed
using different sets of instrumentations. This will lead to different idealisations,
different multiscale models and different predictions. This dependence of prediction
on the choice of instrumentation set used in not an artificial one. In fact, the modeller
faces such choices in everyday contexts. Moreover, each choice has cost, feasibility
and ethical consequences which, independent of model predictive accuracy, can determine
which model(s) remains usable in a given context. The revised text on lines 734–769
clarifies this in detail.
The manuscript attempted to illustrate this dependence on instrumentation set through
the original multiscale model illustration (presented in §2.3) and its modified form
(presented in §2.4). The grain and extent of scale S1 are identical for both multiscale
models (Fig 2A and Fig 2B) because the same experiment is used to define it. Specifically,
the grain in the length axis is determined by the resolution of clinical qCT (0.625
mm) which is used to construct FE models. After rounding down to the nearest power
of 10, we get the grain as 10–4 m, as indicated in the main manuscript.
As the reviewer points out, S2 scale grains in the length axis are different: for
the original multiscale model (Fig 2A) the S2 scale grain is 1 mm, whereas in the
modified multiscale model the (Fig 2A) the S2 scale grain is 0.1 mm. The difference
is because of difference in experiments used to define these scales. In the original
multiscale model, S2 scale is based on ex vivo measurement of bone strength. Hence
the grain of length is determined by the resolution of strain gauges (2 mm). The reviewer
is gratefully acknowledged for pointing to the misprints; in the previous version
of the manuscript the resolution incorrectly referred to displacement measurement
instead of strain measurement and the value was incorrectly typed as 0.002 mm instead
of 0.002 m (now corrected on lines 297–298 of the revised manuscript). In the modified
multiscale model, S2 scale is based on measuring local changes in vBMD as obtained
from clinical qCT. Hence the grain of length is determined by the resolution of clinical
qCT (0.625 mm). After rounding down to the nearest powers of 10, we get the grains
as 10–3 m and 10–4 m for scale S2 in the original and modified multiscale models respectively.
Interpreting these grain values as RVE dimensions is a misunderstanding. There is
no relation between scales defined here and scales in the sense of AM&CM based approaches
(please see response to earlier Comment R2.4).
Comment R2.6
On the other hand, as the authors write themselves, S2 is the biomechanical “standard
model” – and albeit not referenced by the authors, such models have also been developed
in a full multiscale manner, with clearly defined “grain sizes” and “grain constituents”,
see e.g. Ann Biomed Eng 36, 108-122, 2008; Int J Num Meth Biomed Eng 32, e02760, 2016;
for CT-related application, and Comp Meth Appl Mech Eng 254, 181-196, 2013; Bone 64,
303-313, 2014; Bone 107, 208-221, 2018; for the problem of bone remodeling.
Response
Unfortunately, a careful search for the text “standard model” in both the Main Manuscript
and the Supporting Information (SI) section did not lead to any successful hits. Hence,
we are unable to respond to the reviewer’s comment in full.
Both the original and modified multiscale models incorporate the effects of bone remodelling,
but do not include a mechanism for it. The multiscale models illustrated in the SI
section include a mechanism for bone remodelling in humans and mice. This is done
by considering a larger portion of reality to be relevant than that considered in
the main text. Including a mechanism of bone remodelling allows its effects to be
considered in a more individualised manner. For example, one may specify the parameter
"f" ("s" _"k,α" ^"h" ) in Eq. (S1-iii) identically across all individuals in a population.
Yet, other individual details e.g. the initial spatial distribution of "C" _"k" ^"α"
will modulate the effect of this parameter, leading to an individualised prediction.
Alternatively, or in addition, the function "f" ("s" _"k,α" ^"h" ) can be specified
individually, leading to a further individualised prediction. The choice depends ultimately
on what the modeller considers relevant and is able to measure.
The mechanism for bone remodelling considered in the SI section was purely biochemical
in nature. Yet, as mentioned in SI §2.8, bone remodelling mechanisms involving mechanoregulation
such as those considered in [22], [23] and [24] can be introduced using the same modelling
approach. It only remains to specify a link between "s" _"k,α" ^"h" and σ[1]. As
mentioned earlier, it is not our objective here to propose a specific mechanism for
bone remodelling, or for bone strength over a long duration. Rather, the objective
is to demonstrate that a complete system of multiscale model equations can be formulated
and solved by the consistent application of a definition of scale that is based on
experimental capabilities. This, and the abundance of mechanoregulation models of
bone remodelling reported in the literature, discouraged us from citing a select few
such models in this manuscript.
The models of Hellmich et al. [25] and Blanchard et al. [26] are similar to the S1
scale model presented in the main text, in that these are informed in part by clinical
qCT. However, that is where the similarity ends. The models of Hellmich et al. [25]
and Blanchard et al. [26] pertain to the mechanics of the human mandible and human
vertebra respectively, unlike the mechanics of the whole human femur as considered
in this manuscript. Our view is that models are not truths in themselves, but useful
representations of truths. The usefulness of a model is ultimately linked to the truth
it is supposed to represent. Missing an experimental validation, it is challenging
to extrapolate the usefulness of the models of Hellmich et al. [25] and Blanchard
et al. [26] to the application of prediction of 10-year strength of human femur.
Comment R2.7
Concerning the last statement of the authors’ abstract, they may be reminded that
multiscale mechanics models have been transforming various engineering fields, such
as concrete or timber engineering, see e.g. Cem Concr Res 34, 67-80, 2004; Eur J Mech
24A, 1030-1053, 2005; Int J Eng Sci 147, 103196, 2020, and references therein.
Response
Several domains of engineering contain problems of a multiscale nature, where significant
improvement in predictive accuracy is still needed. We believe that the multiscale
modelling approach presented in this paper is well posed to meet this need across
engineering domains, working both by itself and with existing multiscale modelling
approaches. This was the intended import of the last statement of the abstract. We
hope that our responses to the previous comments will satisfy the reviewer in accepting
this import.
Responses to Reviewer #3 comments
Comment R3.1
a) The manuscript lacks in many aspects. The multiscale modeling is a rich subject
in applied mathematics and continuum mechanics.
b) The manuscript is without necessary understanding of the state-of-the-art in multiscale
modeling, continuum mechanics as well as in the computational science and engineering.
c) The article lacks necessary mathematical rigor.
The article is not recommended for publication.
Please see for example:
J. Fish, Bridging the scales in nano engineering and science, J. Nanopart. Res. 8
(2006) 577–594.
M.G.D. Geers, V.G. Kouznetsova, W.A.M. Brekelmans, Multi-scale computational homogenization:
trends & challenges, J. Comput. Appl. Math. 234 (2010) 2175–2182.
Response
a) We thank the reviewer for their comments. It is acknowledged that multiscale modelling
is a rich subject with contributions from several disciplines including applied mathematics
and continuum mechanics (AM&CM for brevity). In the original version a very limited
introduction to AM&CM based approach to multiscale modelling was provided (paragraph
4 of Introduction) in order that the manuscript length was reasonable. However, after
reflecting on the reviewer’s comments, we accept that this brevity failed to clarify
the distinction between AM&CM based approaches and the method proposed here. We have
now addressed this lacuna in the Discussion section of the revised manuscript, which
has been significantly expanded. In particular, lines 706–733 compare the two approaches
head-to-head. This is only an exercise in clarification; a comparison of pros and
cons in not meaningful as the two approaches potentially excel in different contexts
of use. For a better understanding of the state-of-the-art in AM&CM based multiscale
modelling we have cited the works suggested by the reviewer in addition to those mentioned
already (lines 76–79 in the revised manuscript).
b) However, a fully developed understanding of AM&CM based multiscale modelling is
unnecessary to appreciate the particulars of the proposed approach. Hence, no further
changes have been made to demonstrate a full understanding.
c) The absence of mathematical rigour in the manuscript follows from the above. In
an AM&CM based approach, scale is often a mathematical construct (see response to
Comment R3.2). Thus, conducting an independent experiment at an “observational scale”
is often not conceivable, and cannot be used for the purpose of obtaining the mathematical
form of the coarse-grained model. The usual recourse is to derive this from the mathematical
form of the finer-scale system. This then necessitates an application of mathematical
rigour.
In contrast, for the type of multiscale problems that we are mainly concerned with,
component models at each scale state the modeller’s hypotheses at that scale. The
validity of the mathematical form of these models is given by experiments that define
that particular scale (see response to Comment R3.10). Given this alternative, application
of mathematical rigour in our approach is of very limited use than in AM&CM based
approach.
Comment R3.2
a) Technical comments: 1) The scale separation is a mathematical construct that can
be used only in certain case.
b) Spatial and temporal scales can only be separated if the error from the asymptotic
expansion is sufficiently small. Many multiscale problems cannot be asymptotically
expanded. Please see Principles of Multiscale Modeling, Weinan E, Cambridge University
Press, 2011.
Response
a) We request the reviewer to reconsider that “scale separation” can have different
meanings in different disciplines and in different multiscale modelling approaches.
In the Introduction section, four different meanings of the term were reviewed based
on published literature. These second of these, referred to in paragraph 4 of the
Introduction section, is that of a purely mathematical construct. However, this specific
meaning was intended only in paragraph 4 of the Introduction. Everywhere else in the
manuscript (including in the title) it has either the general meaning given in paragraph
2 of the Introduction or a different specific meaning which is clear from the context.
b) Our understanding is that the “mathematical construct” meaning is commonly used
when one physical idealisation is valid over the entire space–time range. In such
contexts, multiscale modelling can leverage some level of self-similarity or space–time
periodicity present in the phenomenon of interest. For instance, in Bhattacharya et
al. [27] “scale” is identified by the continuous-valued exponent of the local Reynolds
number. This allows one to solve the NS equation, which is the one physical idealisation
that is valid over the entire space–time range. Attaching a physical meaning to the
exponent is unnecessary for the analysis carried out in Bhattacharya et al. [27].
In other words, it is purely a mathematical construct.
Even limiting to this “mathematical construct” meaning, we submit that all multiscale
models can be asymptotically expanded. The real question is whether the prediction
made by such an asymptotic expansion is useful or not. One can argue that such a model
is useful if the error in the expansion is smaller than that of any other existing
model. In other words, it does not have to be “sufficiently small” in a numerical
sense; rather, it only has to be smaller than any competing model. In the field of
bone biomechanics, scale separation by a factor between 2 and 3 has been shown to
produce satisfactorily accurate results in some contexts [2] (see lines 76–78 in the
revised manuscript).
Comment R3.3
2) The manuscript talks about mechanical and biochemical energies, yet it fails to
introduce the energy equation. The manuscript lacks necessary understanding of conservation
laws of mass, momentum and energy as well as of the second law of thermodynamic.
Response
References to exchange of mechanical and biochemical energies are made in the manuscript
in §2.1, 2.3.1 and 2.3.2 leading up to the hypothetical scale model. These acknowledge
the existence of the neighbourhood of the closed system being modelled. Knowledge
of energy exchange with the neighbourhood is limited to the effect it has on properties
of the system being modelled e.g. boundary tractions, internal stresses, bone strength,
expressions for which have been introduced in the model. The remaining references
to exchange of energy in the main text and SI section have similar meanings.
Regarding energy balance within the closed systems, an energy equation was not introduced
as the systems of equations for each of the illustrated models were already closed.
This usually implies, as is the case here, that a statement of energy balance within
the system does not add any new knowledge about the system. The same can be said about
the balance of mass within the system. In contrast, conservation of momentum was important
in several closed systems illustrated in the manuscript. These are expressed in Eq
(3) and (S1-3) in the main text and Eqs (1), (H-i), (S3-i) and (S2�-i) in the SI section. The modelling approach presented here does not preclude introducing
balance equations of mass, momentum, energy or any other variable for a problem where
such equations are required to close the system, or where these equations contain
new knowledge. Lines 395–406 of the revised manuscript clarify this argument.
One application where conservation law of energy and the second law of thermodynamics
provides new knowledge is the thermodynamically consistent construction of transfer
operators in an AM&CM-based approach. Indeed, this is the focus of the studies of
Fish [28] and Geers et al. [29] and many others. We have included these references
where the interested reader can find guidance for using these laws in the context
of AM&CM based methods. However, this application is not universally useful. In the
approach presented here, the nearest equivalents of transfer operators are called
relation models. As the Discussion section of the revised manuscript clarifies on
p.27, relation models can be individually validated experimentally, thus obviating
a need for demonstrating thermodynamic consistency.
Comment R3.4
3) The coupling of scales usually requires carefully crafted transfer operators. In
mechanics of materials, this relation is known as the macro-homogeneity condition.
This is important for the model consistency. Every multiscale model has to converge
(e.g., in the weak sense) to the full model. This is clearly not guaranteed in this
work.
Response
The reviewer’s remarks pertain to AM&CM based approaches where the challenge is to
derive coarse-grain models that converge to the “full” model. The careful crafting
of transfer operators is necessary because independent experimental validation of
coarse-grain models at each scale (often merely a mathematical construct) is not routine
practice.
As already discussed, this is not the only type of multiscale modelling problem/approach.
The approach presented in this paper is applied for problems the full model is not
widely accepted. Hence, experiments define scales, and observations from these experiments
are employed to construct / validate component hypomodels for the corresponding scales.
The component hypomodels at each scale are coupled using relation models. Unlike transfer
operators in the AM&CM approach, which need to satisfy mathematical and thermodynamic
consistency conditions, relation models in the present approach are simply statements
of the modeller’s hypothesis. The validity of relation models is tested by combining
experiments at multiple scales.
Comment R3.5
4) The introduction of functions S is very ad hoc and does not follow from any balance
law, an averaging principle nor from thermodynamics.
Response
The mathematical form of function such as s in Eq. (5) express the modeller’s hypotheses
of the system behaviour. Although determining these from laws of balance, averaging
or thermodynamics is not precluded, it is equally justified to develop and validate
these based on experiments.
Comment R3.6
a) 5) The model talks about time, yet the balance law in Eq. (3) is quasi-static one.
Therefore, taking about spatial and temporal scales is dubious. There can be perhaps
some pseudo time, but that is poorly described.
b) Multiscale modeling of temporal scales is very much open scientific problem and
this manuscript is lacking any understanding.
Response
a) In the following, the use of Eq (3) for representing the mechanics at scale S1
is justified. Note that Eq (3) predicts internal stresses induced due to a fall. Fall
induces inertial and contact forces (contact with the ground). An order-of-magnitude
analysis shows that the contribution to internal stresses due to inertial forces is
relatively negligible. At scale S1, the orders of magnitude of volumetric bone mineral
density, elastic modulus of bone and extent of femur are 1 g/cm3, 2 GPa and 1 m respectively.
The failure strain in compression is known to be of the order of 1%. Hence, a minimum
acceleration of the order of 2 x 104 m/s2 (= (2 GPa x 1%) / (1 m x 1 g/cm3)) is necessary
in order that contributions from inertial forces and external surface tractions are
similar. This is several orders of magnitude higher than accelerations typically induced
in falls, which are of the order of 10 m/s2. Furthermore, experimental studies involving
impact loading of cadaveric femurs show that femur strength depends very weakly on
the loading rate and viscoelastic effects are negligible [30-33]. Hence, for predicting
femur strength the time history of external surface tractions τ may be neglected.
This is clarified on lines 227–228, 244–246 and 325 of the revised manuscript.
In conclusion, the quasistatic loading in Eq (3) is justified by experimental observations.
It amounts to saying that the effect of passage of time on mechanical response at
scale S1 is negligible. It is incorrect to infer from this equation that there is
no passage of time at scale S1. We hope this clarifies that the notion of quasistatic
loading and the specification of temporal grain and extent are compatible with each
other. The clarification further supports the rationale for scale separation in time
for the illustrated problem, which was already explained in the manuscript.
b) We fully accept the reviewer’s observation that using a quasistatic Eq. (3) in
the illustrated example does not fully illustrate the wide applicability of our approach.
However, a more sophisticated illustration is not necessary because the wide applicability
is assured by a rather straightforward argument. The argument is that in the present
approach component hypomodels are validated by experiments at corresponding scales
(see response to Comment R3.10). This validation justifies the time-dependent form
used in the component hypomodel equations. There is no additional requirement of ensuring
that these mathematical forms are consistently derived between scales separated by
time. This is different from AM&CM based approaches of driving scale separation of
the time axis. We believe that the reviewer’s concern regarding the problem of scale
separation using AM&CM approaches, which as explained earlier, is not relevant for
the present approach.
Comment R3.7
6) The main manuscript body and the supplementary material are not consistent. The
main manuscript uses the small strain formulation, yet the supplementary material
talks about finite strains.
Response
The objective of the manuscript is to develop a multiscale modelling approach, not
a specific multiscale model. The use of this approach is illustrated by developing
several multiscale models for exemplar problems, but it is obviously not intended
to be limited to these. Hence, it is not at all intended that multiscale models constructed
using this approach should be consistent with each other with regard to mathematical
formulation.
Indeed, the exemplar multiscale models presented in the main manuscript and the supplementary
materials are distinct from each other. The distinction arises from the window of
reality we seek to capture using the model, as is demonstrated by the different descriptions
of the closed system. For example, §2.3.1 states:
“The femur volume is assumed to comprise a single material phase that fails in brittle
fashion at small strains when loaded at physiological strain rates.”
In contrast, SI §S2.1 states:
“The bone region is assumed to comprise two material phases: a bone matrix phase and
a non-bone matrix phase.”
Both descriptions relate to the same object, i.e. the adult human femur. Yet, these
descriptions are different because in the first we are limited by the spatial resolution
of clinical qCT imaging, while in the second we are limited by the spatial resolution
of a microscope.
The difference in choice of instrument is not at all artificial and has significant
implications on key aspects of the multiscale modelling. This is clarified better
in the revised manuscript on lines 734–746.
Comment R3.8
7) Modeling of damage is complex process. It is well known that computational model,
if not properly derived, will lose ellipticity and lead to erroneous results. How
do you prevent the artificial localization? Please see Energy-Based Coupled Elastoplastic
Damage Models at Finite Strains, J. W. Ju, Journal of Engineering Mechanics, 1989.
Response
We agree with the reviewer that modelling damage is a complex process, and that some
derivations of the model might lead to results such as artificial localisation. We
take the view that the “correctness” of models matters only as far as their “usefulness”.
Thus, if a damage model predicts localised damage at multiple sites with some being
artificial, and still predicts the experimentally observed bone strength better than
any other model, then the modeller is justified in claiming the error to be acceptable
and therefore to use the model.
The same notion can be applied to a very large body of models and complex processes.
The paper details a multiscale modelling approach that can accept all these models.
Therefore, specifying any one model in detail does not serve the purpose of illustration.
Indeed, our objective was not to propose a damage model at all, but just to state
that some formulations e.g. Ju [34] exist and can be applied.
Comment R3.9
a) 8) The equation (2) in the supplementary material is the rate depended equation.
How do you integrate this and assure the frame invariance?
b) This equation is for the second Piola-Kirchhoff stress tensor, but the evolution
equations are usually written in the current configuration using the Cauchy stress.
c) How do you obtain elastoplastic-damage modulus tensor? You need the pull-back operations.
Again, the lack of mathematical rigor is vast.
Response
a) It is confirmed that Eq (2) in the SI section is a rate-dependent equation. Our
intent in stating it was to provide a mathematical expression that represents system
behaviour as described immediately preceding it (not repeated here for the sake of
brevity).
The multiscale modelling approach presented in the manuscript leads to a model where
none of the component hypomodels and relation models comprising it contain a rate-dependent
constitutive law. These models are validated by experimental evidence (see response
to Comment R3.10). Hence, concerns raised regarding integrability and assurance of
frame invariance are inconsequential.
b) In Ju [34] p. 2513, the author gives the following rate-dependent equation in running
form in the sentence immediately following Eq (32) in that paper:
"S" ̇"=" "A" ^"ep" ":" "E" ̇
There "S" , "A" ^"ep" and "E" are identified with the second PK stress, the elastoplastic
damage tangent modulus and the GL strain respectively. These definitions are identical
to our definitions of σ, Hepd and E respectively in Eq (2). We have now cited Ju [34]
on line 112 of the revised Supporting Information section in support for the expression
we used in Eq (2).
c) The abstraction of reality as described in the SI section, and the multiscale model
that follows from it, suggest that the determination of the elastoplastic damage modulus
tensor Hepd is unnecessary. This was already stated in SI §S2.8 and is quoted again
below for reference:
“Note that the final result does not depend on the intermediate solution variables
Hepd[1] and Hepd[2]. Hence, one may choose to not solve equations (S1-i) and (S2-i)
without affecting the result.”
This should not at all be construed to imply that the present approach is somehow
limited in that it will always lead to multiscale models where such sophistication
is avoided. Indeed, one may modify the abstraction of reality in at least two different
ways such that the elastoplastic damage modulus tensor will need to be determined.
One is where the effect of mechanoregulation on determining future femur strength
is considered important. Another is where the modeller hypothesizes that including
elastoplastic damage process will predict femur strength more accurately than in the
present abstraction.
In such cases, the question posed by the reviewer becomes relevant; however, the resolution
is straightforward. The modeller will simply specify mathematical forms for the moduli
Hepd[1] and Hepd[2] in the component hypomodels at scales S1 and S2 in a way that
agrees with experimental observations, and validate the component hypomodels against
experiments conducted separately at each scale (see response to Comment R3.10). The
form of the relation model R12 between these scales will be validated by comparing
predictions against combined experimental data taken at the two scales. As such, ensuring
mathematical consistency between these models at different scales is not needed.
The manuscript describes a method to develop a multiscale model for a general multiscale
problem. It is not our intention to propose one specific model for a specific problem.
This generality of intent is the reason our mathematical expressions are general.
We do not preclude the application of mathematical rigour where it is useful.
Comment R3.10
9) The manuscript lacks any concepts of verification and validation in computational
science and engineering. Please see Patrick J. Roache, Verification and validation
in computational science and engineering, Hermosa, 1998.
Response
We thank the reviewer for this excellent remark. There is a large body dedicated to
credibility of computational models, which includes verification, validation, uncertainty
quantification (VVUQ) and context of use (CoU). Some recent papers are now referenced
the revised manuscript [35-41]. These point to the fact that there remains some debate
regarding the definitions of the various aspects of credibility (VVUQ and CoU). Briefly,
the definitions depend on whether the model is an instrument used to establish new
knowledge or to solve a problem. This separation (albeit not a clear one) maps to
a separation between fields of science (physics, biology) on one hand and applied
fields such as engineering and medicine on the other. The methods for assuring model
credibility, i.e. performing VV&UQ for a given CoU, also differ based on which definitions
are used [39-41]. It is not our intent to limit the future application of the multiscale
modelling approach presented here to any specific use (seek knowledge vs solve problem)
or area (science vs engineering and medicine). Hence, the present approach does not
prefer any specific definition for VV&UQ and CoU. It is also our view that no new
definition or method for VV&UQ and CoU is necessitated by the present approach.
A process for credibility assessment of multiscale models, as developed using the
present approach, is summarised on lines 626–693 and the new Fig 7A of the revised
manuscript. Below, we illustrate the application of some elements of this process
¬– specifically, validation and context of use specification – by considering a multiscale
model for 10 year femur strength as created using the present approach. As the revised
manuscript details, in the present approach component “real” scales are defined based
on experiment capabilities. This readily allows for the possibility of validating
the corresponding component hypomodels using experimental data. Even so, the modeller
must acknowledge the not entirely mitigable limitation of this validation exercise:
that the experiment conducted at any component “real” scale is not the same system
where the multiscale model will finally be applied. For example, CT based finite element
(FE) models of femur strength can only be validated on cadaveric femurs (“validation
context”) because femur strength measurement is destructive. To get around this problem
when applying CT-based FE models in the in vivo context, some authors have sought
further validation by quantifying the accuracy of stratifying fracture status (observable
in vivo) in a retrospective cohort based on the model predicted femur strength [13,
14, 16]. However, if these models are to be used to predict femur strength in vivo
(scale S1 in main text, “application context”), the differences with respect to the
validation context must be acknowledged (fracture status in retrospective cohort vs
femur strength in prospective cohort). Such limitations are rarely fully mitigable,
and in general reduce the credibility of any model (see also the discussion on CoU
below).
The revised manuscript details also the process of validating a relation model. This
requires isolating a “smaller” hypothetical scale and physically realising it in experiments.
Again, this hypothetical scale is different from the corresponding portion of system
where the multiscale model will finally be applied. This is another unmitigable limitation
that the modeller needs to acknowledge. For example, consider the multiscale model
for predicting 10-year femur strength in a living human described in SI §S2. Consider
in addition that the effect of mechanoregulation is non-negligible for the population
on whom the final multiscale model will ultimately be applied. This would require
additional relation model(s) to predict bone cellular activity signal ("s" _"k,α"
^"h" ) at scale S1 in dependence of external loads on the whole femur (τ[3]) at scale
S3. Now, consider that the component hypomodels S1 and S2 have been validated with
respect to separate experiments at corresponding scales. The modeller constructs a
model sub-system spanning scales S1 and S2, but additionally ensuring that the effect
of mechanoregulation is either negligible or controlled for (and preferably known).
The relation model R12 is validated by comparing predictions of the multiscale model
comprising S1, S2 and R12 against experimental observations from this model system.
As our definition of scale implies, these experiments cannot be combined in a manner
such that it is possible to measure features of interest whose characteristic sizes
fall anywhere within the spatiotemporal span of scales S1 and S2 taken together. However,
this should not be considered a limitation in our view, as it is precisely for this
reason that the relation model is needed. In other words, model R12 contains empirical
knowledge regarding the system. Moreover, in conducting experiments on the model sub-system,
one need not measure any variable that appears as the input of a relation model but
as the output of a component hypomodel or vice versa. This relaxation in requirement
can be leveraged when designing the experiments. Moving forwards, the modeller validates
each relation model by constructing, where necessary, model sub-systems encompassing
the spatiotemporal span of the linked component scales taken together.
Once all component hypomodels and relation models are validated, the full multiscale
model is validated by comparing the model prediction against observation from experiments
conducted at each scale in the application CoU. Regarding CoU, we considered above
a (rather typical) case where a model’s validation context differs from its application
context, thereby adversely affecting its credibility. In the following, an example
is presented to demonstrate that ignoring the CoU can mislead one to believe that
AM&CM methods are readily applicable in the biomedical context.
Consider the problem of determining the stiffness of bone tissue regions (both cortical
and cancellous bone) within an adult human femur. In the first instance, consider
an ex vivo context where the extent-to-grain ratio of available measurement techniques
is usually much higher than in vivo. In order to push the narrative in favour of AM&CM
methods as far as possible, let us assume (rather liberally) that it is possible to
characterise in an excised femur material and geometry features ranging continuously
from 10–9 m (feature: tropocollagen molecule diameter; method: neutron diffraction)
to 10–2 m (feature: specimen size; method: mechanical testing) in size. Let us assume
(again, rather liberally) that a mathematical model is known, which when integrated,
will accurately predict the mechanics of bone irrespective of size. This is the “fine-scale”
model in the sense of Fish [28]. Consider that using state-of-the-art AM&CM based
approaches, the fine scale model can be reduced – in a mathematically rigorous and
thermodynamically consistent manner – to a coarse-grained model or indeed a series
of such models [see for example 3, 10, 17-21, 42]. This set of successively coarse-grained
models is an AM&CM type multiscale model. Let the predictions of such a multiscale
model closely match observations from cadaver experiments i.e. we consider the multiscale
model validated. Let us also ignore all the limitations of such a model (acknowledged
in the above references).
Now, let us consider applying the above “validated” model in the in vivo context.
As most of the data needed to inform the model cannot be obtained from a living human,
some sort of average data from a cadaver population needs to be used instead. This
will lead to higher uncertainty in input than in the original ex vivo context. This
will lead in turn to higher inaccuracy in the AM&CM based model output. Due to the
highly nonlinear nature of uncertainty propagation, there is no assurance that prediction
inaccuracy will not increase further as this tissue mechanics model is coupled with
a model to predict whole femur fall strength in vivo. In comparison, a simple regression-based
phenomenological model such as that of Morgan et al. [7], when coupled with a whole
femur fall strength model, accurately stratifies fracture risk in living humans [15].
This high accuracy is due to the fact that the Morgan et al. [7] model requires as
input the volumetric bone mineral density measured using clinical qCT. This measurement
is site- and subject-specific and has similar uncertainty in both in vivo and ex vivo
contexts. As such, the model of Morgan et al. [7] is arguably much more “useful” in
the in vivo context than the models constructed using an AM&CM based approach. Nothing
suggests that this difference in usefulness will not increase further as the models
are coupled with a model simulating loss of bone with time to predict future bone
strength. In summary, it is extremely important to identify the appropriate CoU for
a multiscale model when discussing its credibility, and ultimately, its usefulness.
Comment R3.11
10) What is the numerical method used? If the finite element method, what type of
element is used? How if the model discretized? Was solution verification performed?
Response
We thank the reviewer for the suggestion.
With regard to the exemplar multiscale model presented in §2.3, the numerical method
employed in the S1-scale model is the FE method. The use of the FE method in the context
of predicting femur strength has been described extensively in past studies [4, 8,
9, 13-16]. A quadratic tetrahedral mesh with an average element size of 3 mm is used,
which is sufficient to predict local strains on the femur neck with an accuracy of
~7% compared to strain gauge measurements in experimental studies. Based on a strain-based
failure criterion, these strains are used to estimate the minimum force needed to
break the femur (femur strength), the accuracy of which has been shown to be ~15%.
This level of accuracy is at par with other state-of-the-art qCT-based FE models of
femur side-fall strength [15]. As mentioned in §2.3.8, no further numerical approximation
is necessary for models R12 and S2. These details are briefly revisited in lines 641–650
of the revised manuscript.
With regard to the modified multiscale model described in §2.4, the numerical methods
employed at the S1-scale is the same as above. The S2�-scale model is an algebraic operation (addition) and the three equations comprising
R12� are assignment operations. Hence no further numerical approximation is necessary.
With regard to the multiscale models presented in SI §S2 and §S3, the responses to
preceding comments explain why any particular mathematical form was not provided to
the equations in these models. Since the mathematical form is not specified, the details
of the numerical methods, discretization and solution verification, which depend on
this specification, are also omitted.
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