Peer Review History
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PONE-D-20-17519 Brain size explains prey size selection better than beak, gizzard and body size in a benthivorous duck species PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Laursen, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 18 2020 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: I Don't Know ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. 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Introduction could be more streamlined and trimmed Firstly, authors should try to be more clear in the text about separating which traits may be key for driving prey size selection at inter- and intraspecific levels. This could be pertinent for their own results as well. Also, I think, that Introduction’s first paragraph could be much more condense. Especially, I doubt if so much information about beak-related prey selection is really needed. In any case, it would be also great if you could be more specific and mention in the introduction about how well (less controversial as of recently) brain size is related to cognitive abilities. Lastly, information on study species would feel more natural when coming after presenting main hypothesis (lines 99-101). 2. Hypotheses Authors may disagree, but as the hypothesis is written (99-101) it is not very well suited for the given study and more suitable for between seasonal comparison. Also, predictions are not well linked to hypothesis, but rather the results. 3. Statistical analyses Could you please clarify if in your analyses a relative rather than absolute brain size was used? Brain size is often corrected for body size as larger individuals tend to have larger heads. You seem to have used body mass in the same model, but it is not fully clear to me if body size was left in the model as covariate. Based on the result table it probably was and no model selection was done, but could you clarify that. Would you get a different outcome by using structural size estimate rather than body mass for scaling? Would there be a reason to suspect that YEAR needs to be included in the model (sampling areas, food availability etc.)? If not, would be nice to see explanation included in the statistical analysis description. Would using median for prey size rather than mean influence the results? Median value would perhaps be more appropriate in relation to „optimal“ selection as it would indicate that individual selected such item more frequently. As authors already have presence-absence data it could be interesting to see how prey diversity is related to brain size. Are bigger brained individuals going the diversification or the specialization route? 4. Discussion I failed to find any comments on possible sex-related differences in prey size selection. Also, what about beak volume, especially given the attention to this trait in the introduction. Please, place your results in relation to your hypothesis and introduction a bit more clearly than it is now. Minor comments: Line 31: example of Calidris in the abstract is confusing. This specificity perhaps here is not needed. Lines 40-43 This is confusing sentence as it is not clear what were dependent variables in your study. As it is now written it seems that you looked at brain size vs other morphological traits. Line 46: The last sentence of the abstract feels disconnected from previous description of results. Line 80 sentence is repetitive Line 83 Something is missing here. Perhaps a connector part on how cognitive abilities are increasingly recognized to be associated with brain size? Line 95-98 a confusing sentence Line 108 „..on the other“ Line 115 what is the trait „potential“? Should it be „potential for successful reproduction..“? Line 119 strange confusing sentence that looks to be clipped from Methods section. Few lines down the same information is mentioned. Line 126 Please mention also if the two sexes (plus juveniles) were roughly equally represented for different years. Line 132 what do you mean for age here (juveniles vs sexually mature)? Or was the chronological age recorded? Line 136 Please, double-check if the provided reference (10:Zhang et al.) is correct for the formula. Zhang et al. did not measure head volume in their study. Also, check the formatting for the head volume formula. Line 139 More appropriate term for „head“ here would be „skull“. I agree with authors that it could make sense to measure dry brain weight. However, also in previous studies Jaatinen et al. 2019 wet (?) brain mass was measured with the same results. Perhaps mentioning why dry brain weight was more appropriate option (if that was so), how was it standardized and that there were infact no qualitative differences may be good (in case it is so). Line 168 What statistical programme was used for data analyses? Line 202 check typo „ether“ Lines 205-207 These are repetition from result section. Could be better to introduce a general pattern or main finding. Lines 216-222 This information actually would have been nice already in the introduction and not here. Line 236 Apologies, but again a confusing sentence. Do you have in mind that you found extreme sizes or that eiders seemed to prefer larger than expected prey? Line 238 what species was this done on? Also word „such as “ missing Line 254 but you do not find that. If that is because lab vs natural condition then connection to the previous sentence should be clearer. Line 255-258 very unclear sentence Line 259-267 I would try placing this para just before conclusions. Line 275 and 285 Would suggest to avoid „obviously“ and tone down. Reference list not formatted properly. Reviewer #2: The authors should change the title of the paper. For instance, their findings are not only positive relationship between brain volume and prey size but also positive relationship between the size of shore crabs and the area of web of feet. The authors found positive relationship between head volume and brain mass (F = 39.21, df = 1,13, p < 0.0001, r2 = 0.73). But, can the head volume really be a proxy of the brain size? I agree that the head volume could be one of the indicators of the degree of brain development, though. Better idea would be that the authors use the volume of brain itself (or the size of brain domain specific for visual cognition) as the indicator of cognitive abilities. Introduction Line3-7: Accipritridae, Podicipedidae, and Fringillidae, for example, are all "Family" name of birds. So, the authors should write them in regular style, not in italic style. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. 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PONE-D-20-17519R1 Brain size explains prey size selection better than beak, gizzard and body size in a benthivorous duck species PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Laursen, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please submit your revised manuscript by Mar 04 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. Guidelines for resubmitting your figure files are available below the reviewer comments at the end of this letter. If applicable, we recommend that you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io to enhance the reproducibility of your results. Protocols.io assigns your protocol its own identifier (DOI) so that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Vitor Hugo Rodrigues Paiva, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. 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Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #3: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #3: No ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Response to authors: I thank authors for answering my questions and making changes to their analyses or/and text. The manuscript seems to be much improved. Yet, I would still have a couple of comments which authors may take into their consideration. Also, I would suggest authors to carefully go through their manuscript to improve style and fluency of the text. ############################################################## Minor comments: L 42 „positively“ L60 „differences“ not needed? L63 “by“ to „with“ LL91-116. The whole paragraphs may still benefit from careful reading of the text. Part of the problem may be change in the tense starting at L96. If you do not want to change the place where study species is introduced, it could be more clearer if you wrote „....Body mass and sex should be included in such analyses as for some bird species these traits are known to have an effect on prey size selection (5,23).” Or similiar. Similar suggestion would be for the next sentence. L 96 it could be debated if sex and body mass should be called anatomical structures. L144 should be changed to „...we measured as the total (longest) length of the shell to the nearest XXmm.“ or similar L145-149 Sentence is difficult to understand. It could be broken into separate ones according to group. L149 Unclear. Perhaps „Size of broken items was approximated to the nearest 5mm using a size-appropriate reference from collection of intact prey samples“. Would that be what you mean to say? L150 „For each eider“ or „...individual..“, cause how many gizzards does one individual have? LL159-162 Sentence should be checked for clarity. L164 Include, version for JMP if appropriate L200 It is unclear then which sex took larger prey. In results it is stated that females take smaller prey, while in discussion it becomes no longer that clear. L206-208 Sentence could be nicely split into two. L219 I would exclude word „Obviously“ or tone down this sentence. For human senses bivalves may be difficult to find, but we still know surprisingly little about bird senses including for instance olfaction. L241 If smaller fraction is lost, then your whole mean is shifted towards larger numbers and thus you are „overestimating“ rather than „underestimating“ mean prey size? LL 257-265 I imagine this part (Conclusions) should contain more general statements than the summary of results. L413 (Fig 1 legend). Use of „Number (%) ...“ is confusing. Also, in the figure it self, perhaps spelling what is on y-axis would be more clear. Perhaps, "Proportion (%)..." L424 Table 1.What are the numbers given in Table 1 and how are they related to those given in first lines of the results section. Are numbers provided in this table describe only intact items? If so, then it should be mentioned. Reviewer #3: Major comments My main concern is that in its current state, this study shows a correlation of head size with prey item size, which may be just an artifact of the mechanical limit of ingesting big preys (i.e. only big birds with big mouths can ingest the big prey). This idea is supported by the fact that only the larger items show a correlation with head size. Small food items will not show a correlation because they are far from the mechanical limit, contrary to the expected if the eiders select for relative large preys. If the authors want to test if eating big prey items is a cognitively demanding task, a correlation of relative brain size (brain corrected by a measure of overall body size) with relative prey size would be a more suitable approach. If the hypothesis is true, individuals with relatively larger brains will ingest relatively larger items. Moreover, head size probably correlates with gape width too (it could have even a stronger relationship than head-brain size), so it is hard to distinguish between both effects. Therefore, the authors need to tone down their interpretations, this study is completely correlational, and statements such as “Brain size explains prey size selection” and “These novel results indicate that cognitive processes connected to brain size are involved in prey size selection by eiders” (L47-48), should be avoided. Also, the authors use the term “size” quite often throughout the manuscript, but sometimes it actually has different meanings (e.g. volume, length, mass), which blurs the interpretation. For example, this paper used volume as a measure of beak size, which is different from the measure used in reference 9 (i.e. beak length: L62-63). Using the actual variables, when available, will facilitate the comprehension and transferability of the conclusions. Minor comments Abstract L30 This opening statement is not quite true. Even though this was a common hypothesis in the literature, it does not hold in most studies. The authors do a good job in the introduction showing how this is not always true, therefore this statement should be toned down. L32 This paper did not use the total brain size. Then, the authors present the actual variable (L37), So I suggest deleting or editing this statement to reflect what is actually done. L41 Hinia reticulata** (L140 too) L45 “Strongly” is a bit subjective, your results show a significant effect, but it is not necessarily strong. Introduction L59-60 I think this idea describes reference 4 instead of reference 6, and maybe it needs to be rephrased… Diet explains a small fraction of the shape’s variation, instead of a small fraction of the diet explains variation. Right?? L62-63 Is reference 9 based on Calidris canutus or Calidris tenuirostris??? Please revise the reference L69-73 Do eiders (or other birds) ever eat items as large as the gizzard?? Or this feedback mechanism would affect the number of preys (total volume) rather than the size of each individual item. For instance, the authors found 1299 items in 198 individuals (average 6.5 prey items). This might be important to discuss later. L80 Does it refers to absolute and relative brain size, rather than “simply brain size” L98 Head volume is a pretty rough approximation for brain size, authors need to acknowledge that and be careful with the interpretation. For instance, ~25% of the variation in brain size is not explained by head size (L174). Methods L121 By convention latitudinal coordinates go before longitudinal coordinates. i.e. (55 ̊ 50’ N; 10 ̊ 20’ E) L135-136 It is unclear to me why authors fitted an ellipsoid on a non-elliptical object (the beak) to get a measure of size (volume), if this a common practice or for comparative purposes, please cite. Wouldn’t be better to combine the three variables into a single one using a PCA to get a measure of “size”?? L148-149 I do not understand how you are using this number later in your results, and why to divide it by four, please clarify. Is this a common practice? Please cite. L157-… by use of a multivariate GLM. This may help to clarify that all dependent variables are included in a single model. Results L181-182 It should say a “significant positive effect” instead of a “high positive effect”. L183 What is “(0.0193)”? Discussion L192 I agree that, historically, beak morphology has been hypothesized to have a direct relationship with food item characteristics. This is particularly true when the beak is used to manipulate the food, like finches cracking strong seeds. However, several studies have shown that species that ingest the items whole (as is the case of the common eider), the item size is limited or correlated with gape width (e.g. Hulsman 1981, Wheelwright 1985, Saunders et al. 1995, Dehling et al. 2016). This should be included in the discussion. L194-196 Perhaps rephrase this: “These results support previous findings that, in general, other morphological traits than beak size drives prey size selection [4,6]” L200 To me, it seems advantageous for both sexes to build up body condition during winter, not just for females. Authors may argue that females are under stronger pressure due to nesting. However, the results showed that females eat smaller prey items (L178-179). L219 I would suggest avoiding “obviously” on a scientific manuscript and tone down this claiming. Especially, if it is unknown how easily the eiders would localize the bivalves by the siphons. L225 “larger prey size than expected” Where this expectation come from? This does not seem to be a prediction of this study. Is this based on literature?? Please clarify. L239-241 If smaller items are digested quickly, your sample would be skewed to the larger items. Thus, you are likely overestimating prey size L246 “At the breeding grounds, eiders demonstrate complex behavior.”: Complexity is a tricky term and difficult to define. Also, this sentence is a bit vague and not directly linked to your results or the following ideas. I suggest modifying it. L246-249 This paragraph seems disconnected. How is this paragraph linked to your project? L250-252 Shouldn't this state something like “seasonal variation in resources and conditions” instead of “the studies”? Perhaps a quick recapitulation of the main evidence would clarify how do you get to this idea. L263-265 These results showed that individuals with large heads eat larger prey items, and in general, individuals with larger heads do also have larger brains. However, this pattern could be easily explained by a size constrain on prey size-gape width. In general, the manuscript needs to be carefully read and edited, for grammatical and punctuation errors. For example (but not limited to) L44 missing a period L61 missing a comma after “Within species” L183 missing a closing parenthesis L191 missing a comma L203 double tab ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #3: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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