Peer Review History
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PONE-D-20-24488 New Methods for Quantifying Rapidity of Action potential Onset Differentiate Neuron Types PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Aldohbeyb, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process: Classification performance would be directly related to the effect size of the test, which is not discussed, and ideally be demonstrated directly by training a classifier and then evaluating performance on untrained test data. The authors should at a minimum add calculations of effect size in terms of Cohen’s d, common language effect size, or both. Implications for underlying mechanisms: “Contrary to published reports on the maximum rise rate, the difference in AP rapidity between neuron types indicates a significant difference in the activation kinetics of voltage-gated sodium channels (VGSCs).” (l38) This statement is not well supported – elsewhere in the manuscript the authors mention the significant discussion in the literature over whether non-channel factors (passive interactions between compartments) contribute to differences in onset. They should therefore also acknowledge that these factors could provide alternative explanations for cross-type differences. (Input resistance differences are mentioned briefly as a possible factor on l473, but not elsewhere.) In addition, when discussing how their results fit with the existing literature, it would be helpful for the authors to distinguish between the backpropagation [7] and critical resistive coupling [9, 14] theories, which are both alternative explanations for variations in AP onset not linked to sodium channel properties Action potential backpropagation and, more precisely, the dendritic shunting, mentioned in the Yu, Shu and MacCormick paper of 2008 and investigated in detail by Eyal, Mansvelder, Kock and Segev (2014), are, probably, more important factors determining the rapidity of the action potential onset. Therefore, both the introduction and, especially, the discussion should be modified to reflect this fact. In addition, the last sentence in the Abstract should be modified accordingly. The sample sizes that contain only 3 neurons of a particular type (CA1 hippocampal interneurons in Results section on page 17 – 18, Table 4 on page 21, the table is mislabeled as Table 1) are too small. It is not appropriate to use the t-test for such small groups because there is a substantial probability that all 3 measurements of the rapidity in these 3 neurons fall on one side of the distribution of the measure. Moreover, it is impossible to deduce what type of distribution is in case of such a small sample. Non-parametric statistical tests such as the Kruskal-Wallis test, which can be used also for a non-normal distribution, will show that such small groups are insufficient to make any conclusions. Therefore, either additional neurons should be included in these groups or all Results section describing differences between these groups and the corresponding Discussion section should be deleted. For the comparison of hippocampal to cortical cells, the authors should address whether factors in addition to intrinsic differences could be contributing to the cross-type distinctions shown. Specifically, recording conditions likely differed between the two data sources, and should be discussed. On lines 65 – 67 references are cited inappropriately. Reference 8 does not talk about ‘cooperative gating’: in this paper a simple 6 state model without any cooperation fits well sodium current traces that were found to be without a HH-type delay. In reference 7 backpropagation of action potentials alone is considered to be sufficient to account for the experimental data and the ‘cooperative’ gating model was found to be unnecessary. Please modify this sentence accordingly. The numbering of tables is confused in several places: - in p. 3 probably should be referred to the Table 1 but not Table 3; - Table 1 is probably Table 4 (p. 21), this table is referred as Table 1 on page 20. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 06 2020 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The PLOS ONE style templates can be found at https://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/file?id=wjVg/PLOSOne_formatting_sample_main_body.pdf and 2. Please include a copy of Tables 4 and 5 which you refer to in your text. 3. Please include captions for your Supporting Information files at the end of your manuscript, and update any in-text citations to match accordingly. Please see our Supporting Information guidelines for more information: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/supporting-information. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: I Don't Know ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: The rate of information transfer in the brain depends on the rapidity of action potential onset, thus it is important to have a reliable measure of this parameter. The authors compare 4 different methods of measurement of this parameter and demonstrate that their proposed two methods, both based on the measurement of the peak width of the second derivative, are the most reliable. Major concern: the authors went too far by analyzing very small samples that contain only 3 neurons of a particular type (CA1 hippocampal interneurons in Results section on page 17 – 18, Table 4 on page 21, the table is mislabeled as Table 1). It is not appropriate to use the t-test for such small groups because there is a substantial probability that all 3 measurements of the rapidity in these 3 neurons fall on one side of the distribution of the measure. Moreover, it is impossible to deduce what type of distribution is in case of such a small sample. Non-parametric statistical tests such as the Kruskal-Wallis test, which can be used also for a non-normal distribution, will show that such small groups are insufficient to make any conclusions. Therefore, either additional neurons should be included in these groups or all Results section describing differences between these groups and the corresponding Discussion section should be deleted. Minor comments: It is mentioned in several places that the rapidity of action potential onset reflects the kinetics of voltage gated sodium channels. This is true only in part. As it is mention in the introduction, action potential backpropagation and, more precisely, the dendritic shunting, mentioned in the Yu, Shu and MacCormick paper of 2008 and investigated in detail by Eyal, Mansvelder, Kock and Segev (2014), are, probably, more important factors determining the rapidity of the action potential onset. Therefore, both the introduction and, especially, the discussion should be modified to reflect this fact. In addition, the last sentence in the Abstract should be modified accordingly. On lines 65 – 67 references are cited inappropriately. Reference 8 does not talk about ‘cooperative gating’: in this paper a simple 6 state model without any cooperation fits well sodium current traces that were found to be without a HH-type delay. In reference 7 backpropagation of action potentials alone is considered to be sufficient to account for the experimental data and the ‘cooperative’ gating model was found to be unnecessary. Please modify this sentence accordingly. The numbering of tables is confused in several places: - in p. 3 probably should be referred to the Table 1 but not Table 3; - Table 1 is probably Table 4 (p. 21), this table is referred as Table 1 on page 20. Reviewer #2: Major points Differentiation vs classification: (l36-37, l381-385, etc) the authors emphasize the interesting result that the new methods better differentiate between neuron types, in the sense of significant pairwise t-tests between groups. However, this is necessary but not sufficient for the feature to be useful for classification, which is also claimed but not demonstrated (“for the first time indicating that AP rapidity can be used to classify neuron types”). Classification performance would be directly related to the effect size of the test, which is not discussed, and ideally be demonstrated directly by training a classifier and then evaluating performance on untrained test data. The authors should at a minimum add calculations of effect size in terms of Cohen’s d, common language effect size, or both. Implications for underlying mechanisms: “Contrary to published reports on the maximum rise rate, the difference in AP rapidity between neuron types indicates a significant difference in the activation kinetics of voltage-gated sodium channels (VGSCs).” (l38) This statement is not well supported – elsewhere in the manuscript the authors mention the significant discussion in the literature over whether non-channel factors (passive interactions between compartments) contribute to differences in onset. They should therefore also acknowledge that these factors could provide alternative explanations for cross-type differences. (Input resistance differences are mentioned briefly as a possible factor on l473, but not elsewhere.) In addition, when discussing how their results fit with the existing literature, it would be helpful for the authors to distinguish between the backpropagation [7] and critical resistive coupling [9, 14] theories, which are both alternative explanations for variations in AP onset not linked to sodium channel properties Statistical analysis: Use of pooled mean: In the case of statistics by type, the use of a pooled mean weighted by number of spikes seems a bit odd, since the primary source of variation is likely to be at the cell level, not the spike level. The pooled SD is therefore certainly not a good estimate of the variability of the population mean, and the population mean itself will be biased towards cells with more spikes. Finally, it is unclear if these pooled calculations are also used in the t-tests, which would certainly overstate the differences between types. T-tests: the authors should justify whether the equal variance assumption of Student’s t-test is met here, or use a different test. Minor clarifications: When discussing the impacts of the interpolation, the following statement is not sufficiently clear: “significant reduction in the phase slope values is expected since the slope is calculated at a specific value (at 10 mV/ms) of the dependent (vertical axis) variable in phase space plots.” For the comparison of hippocampal to cortical cells, the authors should address whether factors in addition to intrinsic differences could be contributing to the cross-type distinctions shown. Specifically, recording conditions likely differed between the two data sources, and should be discussed. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: Yes: Gytis Baranauskas Reviewer #2: Yes: Thomas Chartrand [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". If this link does not appear, there are no attachment files.] While revising your submission, please upload your figure files to the Preflight Analysis and Conversion Engine (PACE) digital diagnostic tool, https://pacev2.apexcovantage.com/. PACE helps ensure that figures meet PLOS requirements. To use PACE, you must first register as a user. Registration is free. 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PONE-D-20-24488R1 New Methods for Quantifying Rapidity of Action Potential Onset Differentiate Neuron Types PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Aldohbeyb, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. The manuscript should be revised for readability. Abbreviations in tables should be used more consistently: Somatosensory cortex in Table 1, S.S. Cortex in Table 3 and SS cortex in Table 4. On line 332 ‘methods have the highest values on all three statistics’ probably should read ‘methods have the highest power according to all statistical tests used’. It could be useful to have a list of abbreviations, some of them are difficult to interpret and may be confusing, for instance VGKC and VGSC. The new analysis comparing single and double-component could be shortened and made more readable by focusing on a single metric, probably IFWD, and presenting the details of which comparisons are significant in a table. The common language effect size for the Mann-Whitney test (equivalent to the area-under-curve from ROC analysis) might be a more relevant effect size for situations in which the non-parametric MW test is considered the primary test indicated by the properties of the data. Please submit your revised manuscript by Feb 18 2021 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. Guidelines for resubmitting your figure files are available below the reviewer comments at the end of this letter. If applicable, we recommend that you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io to enhance the reproducibility of your results. Protocols.io assigns your protocol its own identifier (DOI) so that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Gennady Cymbalyuk, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: (No Response) Reviewer #2: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Although the authors adequately addressed all issues raised in my comments there are still language problems in the text that should be addressed. First, abbreviations in tables should be used more consistently: Somatosensory cortex in Table 1, S.S. Cortex in Table 3 and SS cortex in Table 4. Second, on line 332 ‘methods have the highest values on all three statistics’ probably should read ‘methods have the highest power according to all statistical tests used’. Third, it could be useful to have a list of abbreviations, some of them are difficult to interpret and may be confusing, for instance VGKC and VGSC. Finally, the manuscript should be made more readable by somebody with more experience in paper writing of by professional editing services, there are many places that are difficult to follow. Reviewer #2: The authors’ revisions are appreciated, and have substantially increased the quality of the manuscript. I support publication in the current form, but have a few minor, non-essential edits to suggest. The addition of the “Factors affecting AP onset rapidity” section in the discussion is very useful. It could be additionally improved by minor edits noting which developments are supported by computational modeling vs experimental evidence. Likewise, the new analysis comparing single and double-component APs adds significantly to the links to this prior work in the field. It could, however, be shortened and made more readable by focusing on a single metric, probably IFWD, and presenting the details of which comparisons are significant in a table. Finally, although I think the broad presentation of alternative statistics in the current version is more than sufficient, I’d like to note that the common language effect size for the Mann-Whitney test (equivalent to the area-under-curve from ROC analysis) might be a more relevant effect size for situations in which the non-parametric MW test is considered the primary test indicated by the properties of the data. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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If you encounter any issues or have any questions when using PACE, please email PLOS at figures@plos.org. Please note that Supporting Information files do not need this step. |
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