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PONE-D-20-07853 Sex differences in the development and expression of a preference for familiar vocal signals in songbirds PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Fujii, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Your study is interesting and tackles an important question in song ontogeny. However, the rationale behind the choice of this specific experimental design and the associated statistical analysis (for example to have separate analysis for male and female) needs better justifying and details. You need to discuss tha potential limitations of your study because of this or think of ways to reach your initial objective. Accordingly, a thorough revision of the methods and results section is expected, and if not possible to detail enough tor each the initial purpose, to discuss the results with aditional care and consideration for the potential confounding effects Please submit your revised manuscript by Sep 19 2020 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This was an interesting and well done developmental paper that looked at behavioural responses to familiar and unfamiliar songs across significant developmental time points. I do have some comments, questions, and suggestions for clarification. Line 121: How did the authors select the different song renditions? At random? Or was there some criteria? Line 123-124: How was a typical song determined? More details are needed. Line 124: Why were introductory notes excluded. Would this not render the songs unnatural sounding? Line 174: Did the authors explore the possibility that there were systematic differences with what call types were emitted based on the caller and the stimuli presented? This might make sense to explore this question as it might yield interesting results. Line 175: Similar to the previous point, did the authors examine am and pm responses separately? There may be interesting patterns here. Lines 225-227: I do not think the authors wanted this first sentence bolded. Reviewer #2: Vocal learning in songbirds is well documented, but research has focussed mostly on song production learning. In this study the authors present an interesting study following the development of preference for early tutor song in male and female Bengalese finches. Bengalese finches are an important model for song development studies and a closer look at the trajectory for song perception learning has not been conducted previously. A strong point of this study is that males and females are tested the same way and at the same dates during development. There is substantial theoretical interest in better documentation of individual and sex differences in song learning strategies (Beecher & Brenowitz 2005, Riebel et al. 2019) so this is a welcome contribution. I have a number of questions/suggestions regarding the analyses, but these should pose hopefully no problems to address: 1) The authors use a standard phonotaxis approach that has been used in this and other species before to measure song preferences, however, other than most studies they chose as main response variable is ‘entrances’ to the approach zones rather than time spent, see e.g. in the zebra finch (e.g.Ten Cate et al. 1984, Clayton 1988, Witte 2006). Both are informative of the interest the bird has in a particular stimulus but in many species time spent, rather than the number of approaches has proven to be the better predictor of preference (or a combined measure – namely the mean duration per visit). This has two reasons: a very strong preference could mean approach and staying in the preferred approach zone – this behaviour would yield a very low visit score. Second, the entrance/visit variable will become terribly inflated if birds become agitated/aroused by songs of great salience – in a cage as small as yours, a bird reacting with increased motor activity is bound to enter both zones in quick succession when starting to fly back and forth between the main perches. Could you report how the duration of the visits compares to the number of visits? If they are highly correlated using just the one parameter is fine, but if the duration of the visits (i.e. time spent) is not correlated with the number of visits than this parameter is likely to show you a different dimension of the response. Likewise, it would be interesting to know whether the number of calls also covary with one or both approach responses? This would also give you some validation of the call measure with respect (to the already established) approach measure? 2) The aim of the study is to compare male and female behaviour and the authors have provided a good example of how to test males and females in the same way, thereby avoiding that testing differences could consist a confound that could be mistaken as a sex difference. However, they chose to analyses the male and female data in separate analyses – this is surprising and has not been explained. Male and female data that are currently analysed in separate models should be analysed in the same models with sex as a main factor, these analyses should be reported too. Another important point for the analyses I noted: The design consists of the same tests for 10 males and 10 females from 11 different broods. This suggests that there is a male and a female per tutor? If so the design would be much stronger (consisting of paired m/f data belonging to the same father?) In this case tutor ID should be part of the analyses. 3) A problem with experimental studies of behavioral development involving repeated testing is that age effects can be difficult to disentangle from learning within the experiment. This is a dilemma for studies of behavioral development. It can only be overcome by having many experimental groups each of which gets only tested at a single age and to compare these data to data from groups that get tested at all ages. I realise that for a species with long development and separate housing required in song learning studies this is not always logistically possible but it is important to acknowledge and discuss that some of the changes could potentially have arisen because the birds have experienced the testing setup up repeatedly. Specific remarks per line number 34-38 at this stage in the intro no taxonomic scope has been given – clearly not all species show learned recognition and not all species have hatchlings – 49 these refs are all zf and bf – perhaps to indicate that female preference learning is a more general phenomenon beyond the estrilid finches, perhaps quote a review here to stress this as a general phenomenon in females? And make readers more aware that looking at this phenomenon in males is much rarer and unresolved? 59ff The referencing in this section and argument is too sweeping and confusing. Your sentence suggests that all these studies have found age and sex differences whereas quite a few did not – especially in zf behavioural response to tutor song is not necessarily different in males and females e.g. (Clayton 1988, Riebel et al. 2002) whereas Kriengwatana et al (2016)presents a metaanalyses of studies on discrimination learning involving artificial stimuli and artificial grammar – in their study females performed slightly better but confer this to another type of discrimination tasks where males were reported to perform better - (Cynx & Nottebohm 1992) which suggest that outcomes of such study might not have a general m/f pattern but much might depend on the type of test? For this paragraph it would thus help readers if you were more specific about what the studies you quote show (see also cmts 49) line 59-60 should also state what the response will be about – the responses to tutor song are not necessarily predictive of other stimuli and vice versa - so please be specific about what questions these studies investigated. 61-63 this is interesting as the only species I am aware of where this has been tested is the zebra finch and here males and females prefer the tutor song (Clayton 1988, Riebel et al 2002) 81, 83 give cage sizes, day length food etc. – see ARRIVE guidelines (seeKilkenny et al. 2010) 83 with how many other birds? 86 “ another 29 adult males” the ‘another’ is confusing as so far there has been no mentioning of adult subjects (only 10m/f offspring) and if the fathers are in the sample it is also confusing – better specify how many of these males were the fathers (I suppose 11?) It is also unclear why you use the many extra males? You would need one unfamiliar song per tutor = 11 unfamiliar (I am assuming males/females from the same tutor also get the same unfamiliar song, please specify this). Ideally you would use the other tutors – as this allows checking whether any songs are very attractive in themselves – and there would be no need to have extra males? Please give more detail here how the stimulus pairs were made and whether a brother/sister pair got the same stimuli. 97 phonotaxis test? 129 give the settings of the sound meter 150 putting the mother in as company seems wise from a welfare point – but can you be sure that she isn’t also reacting to the songs and thus guiding their offspring’s responses? 155 was this always the same unfamiliar song or different ones? 122 Please clarify if this duration for one song or for the song stimulus (consisting of 5 renditions of the song?) 130 would that be the same amplitude a bird sitting at 12,5 cm away from another bird would experience? 144 at 40 dph if you put one subject in, what happened to other siblings – did they stay with the father? If the birds were acclimated for 3 days the rest of the brood would get older (or were they not tested? sample size suggests not but please state specifically if that only one male/female were tested per brood?) - Can you also specifically mention whether this procedure was the same for the later trials (3 days acclim + mother before testing)? 158 just say 40 playbacks (as being moved in the test chamber once might mean ‘trial’ for most readers, the playbacks are stimulus exposures during a trial) 168 most studies measure the time spent rather than the entries (a bird could only enter once and stay there which would be a very strong preference, whereas a very agitated bird could fly back and forth a lot and would have many entrances?) – please comment on why you chose entrances rather than time spent and whether the two measures were correlated or not correlated (in which case they would measure different dimensions of the response?) 178-180 this is a proportion not a ratio 193 and 252 what was the rationale to test males and females separately – your study explicitly sets out to test for sex differences – so the data of males and females have to be in the same model – as is a differences in df and also different models parameters (you are not suing the same final models for males and females as table 1 suggests where bold face AIC is not always for the same model?) 228-234 present these data in a table to improve readability of the text and to aid better visual comparison of the many values? References - Please be consistent in how you use caps in titles - species names should be in italics Beecher MD and Brenowitz EA 2005: Functional aspects of song learning in songbirds. Trends Ecol Evol 20: 143-149. 10.1016/j.tree.2005.01.004 Clayton NS 1988: Song discrimination learning in zebra finches. Anim Behav 36: 1016-1024. Cynx J and Nottebohm F 1992: Role of gender, season, and familiarity in discrimination of conspecific song by zebra finches (taeniopygia guttata). Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 89: 1368-1371. Kilkenny C et al. 2010: Improving bioscience research reporting: The arrive guidelines for reporting animal research. PLoS Biol 8: e1000412. Kriengwatana B et al. 2016: Auditory discrimination learning in zebra finches: Effects of sex, early life conditions and stimulus characteristics. Anim Behav 116: 99-112. 10.1016/j.anbehav.2016.03.028 Riebel K et al. 2019: New insights from female bird song: Towards an integrated approach to studying male and female communication roles. Biol Lett 15: 20190059. 10.1098/rsbl.2019.0059 Riebel K et al. 2002: Sexual equality in zebra finch song preference: Evidence for a dissociation between song recognition and production learning. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London Series B - Biological Sciences 269: 729-733. Ten Cate C et al. 1984: The influence of differences in social experience on the development of species recognition in zebra finch males. Anim Behav 32: 852-860. Witte K 2006: Time spent with a male is a good indicator of mate preference in female zebra finches. Ethology Ecology & Evolution 18: 195-204. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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PONE-D-20-07853R1 Sex differences in the development and expression of a preference for familiar vocal signals in songbirds PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Fujii, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Your Manuscript is much improved following the revision and both referees commend the efforts. To make the MS still better and more interesting, I would ask for you to consider the complementary analyses suggested. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 11 2020 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed Reviewer #2: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I am happy with the thorough revision the authors have carried out and with the new manuscript submitted. Reviewer #2: The authors have substantially revised the manuscript and have addressed most points either as suggested. The methods are better to understand now and I have but a few follow up questions and suggestions: 1) Analyses of sex differences: this is the main aim of the study and I understand the authors argumentation to run separate models for males and females where response variables are not fully congruent or because they want to explore which behaviour best predicts their response. However, given that birds generally show individual variation and this is a relatively small sample it is adamant that males and females are also tested in a global model for those parameters that could be measured in both sexes, for example the approach time to familiar/unfamiliar song. You see in both the f/m analyses that there is more approach to the familiar stimulus, I do not see why you cannot, as a posthoc analysis now test whether males and females differ (response time is the dependent, sex*age and their interaction as factors? I think such an analysis is crucial to many of your discussion points? 2) Line 243ff Time spent for familiar versus unfamiliar song are mutually exclusive (the time spent in one zone cannot spent be in another). It should therefore be analysed as proportion response time familiar/total response time in approach zones F +UF. This also could simplify your analyses as you have one instead of two response variables.. More specific comments by line number 33 ‘can have’ instead of ‘has’? 43 females learn too (as you show here yourself) and see your statement line 46! 47 m/f learned preference for father’s song has been shown in only a few species; maybe ZF and BF are actually the only ones? 50 give references for ‘some studies have already demonstrated’ already here? 55 what do you mean with ‘attached’ here? 68 what do you mean with strategy in this context? 69 make clear which study is in which species – it reads as if these are all BF studies 135 is this the same song for all subjects or a different song for each subject? 137 chose from how any songs? 147 Could you maybe provide an example (or give a ref here)? This might greatly help - not all readers will know BF song? 159 peak sound pressure level? 209 usage of ‘trial’ unclear here – do you mean per song playback? 210-11 Would counting the calls just after the playback (i.e. in the interval until the new song started?) be also informative of their interest in the song/singer of the song? birds might especially call just after the playback finished? 216-17 but this is what you want to find out? 260 for all parameters or only for song? 298 why are you here using proportion but not in analyses explained l 243 ff? ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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