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PONE-D-20-21340 Role of transoesophageal echocardiography in detecting patent foramen ovale in young stroke patients: A retrospective study. PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Najjar, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Reviewer comments support the necessity to improve data analysis, in term of explaining the bias of a retrospective analysis, instead of finding causality, as the characteristics of the present study could not bring a strong explanatory hypothesis due to its nature. Please submit your revised manuscript by Oct 01 2020 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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The PLOS ONE style templates can be found at https://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/file?id=wjVg/PLOSOne_formatting_sample_main_body.pdf and [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: No ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: I have the opportunity to review the Najjar, et al. paper titled “Role of transoesophageal echocardiography in detecting patent foramen ovale in young stroke patients: A retrospective study”. I would like to thank this honor. This paper has valuable data, although with the inherent limitations of a retrospective analysis, especially about the bias that could indicate TOE in a given patient. Nonetheless, I have some comments. COMMENTS Title -Although etiologies of ischemic strokes occurring in people aged <60 years have important differences when compared with older people, the title “young stroke patient” can be considered misleading, since the “traditional” cut-off for defining a young person is usually somewhere between 40-50 years. I would advise to be more descriptive by saying something like “…foramen ovale in stroke patients aged <60 years: A retrospective…”. This may be important, since the proportion of patients aged 51-59 was 55% in this data set. It is true that some other authors have previously used the term “young” for people aged >60 years (even in RCTs), but it has been arguable in the “strokeologists” community, given the current WHO definitions. Abstract -It would be interesting to declare the other TTE and TOE findings, to make possible calculating the proportion of PFOs among the other putative cardioembolic stroke etiologies. This may be important, since PFO in this age group may be an important putative etiology. -The sentence “The rate of PFO detection by TOE was correlated with younger age” needs statistical support, since correlation (not confounding with “association”) is a specific type of statistical analysis (i.e., either Pearson’s or Spearman’s). -Since PFO is mainly (although not solely) associated with AIS through paradoxical embolism, it is pertinent t ask, How many venous thrombotic events were identified among the whole cohort and among “cryptogenic” of “Known cause” patients? This can be deduce from the manuscript body, but it may be advisable to include this important information in the Abstract. -In the Abstract’s conclusion is better to say “In stroke patients aged 18–60 years…”. The statement “the effectiveness of PFO closure has been established 29 over medical treatment in reducing future reoccurrence of ischaemic stroke” lacks of supports in Results/Findings, i.e., it is not possible to conclude in such a sentence with the support of findings provided in the Abstract. -The authors provide results such as NNT in conclusions, but not in Results. This is a little odd, since conclusions is the part of the Abstract where authors refer to findings provided ins Results section. -I agree with the authors in that TOE may be better than TTE to detect PFO, but no findings where presented in the Abstract that forcefully support this notion. -In brief, more results in Abstract may make this paper more citable. Methods -It is necessary to declare whether in this medical center some stroke patients are admitted outside the stroke unit, and if so, how this characteristic may bias the clinical practice in searching for AIS etiology. -It is not completely clear why some patients received either TTE or TOE. Did some patients received firstly TTE and later TOE to actively find a PFO? What were the factors used in clinical practice to decide between TTE or TOE in this center? -The etiology categories are not traditional. I would rather recommend to use TOAST or ASCOD classification to comply with “traditional” language or understanding. After this, the “new” classification proposed by the authors can also be used to make the authors’ point. Results -I would rather change “TTE and TOE rates” to “TTE and TOE usage rates”. -The figure 2 can be eliminated, since only represents proportions that can be included only as text. -The figure 3 has a legend that seems confusing. ROCs plot sensitivity Vs 1-specificity of a diagnostic tool. This ROC graphic has been used by the authors plotting age as it were a diagnostic tool, but in the Results authors state that this plot is about the performance of TTE and TOE, but this is not the case. TTE or TOE provides either a “negative” (i.e., 0) or positive (i.e., 1) test result that would produce a different ROC pattern. I would not use age as a predicting/diagnosting factor to detect PFO. -The authors are not providing actual diagnostic performance data (i.e., sens, spec, PPV, NPV, LR+, LR-, accuracy, Youden’s index, etc.) to make the point that TOE performed better than TTE in detecting PFOs. This simply was not demonstrated in this study, so that claim cannot be supported. Discussion -A limitations section is needed for better interpretation of this hypothesis-generating study, especially with respect to the inherent bias of a retrospective study, and an analysis or explanation about what determined too practice either TTE or TOE in this set of patients. -To better answer the scientific question about which is better, TTE or TOE, the best way to do it is to use TTE AND TOE in ALL patients. If some patients received either TTE or TOE, the performance of either imaging technique may be influenced by patients’ factors. Please discussed more on that. -Please comment more about the very low frequency of deep vein thrombosis as compared with PFO, and the limitation of assigning causality by only find a PFO without active or strong identification of paradoxical embolism. Reviewer #2: I have the opportunity to review the Najjar, et al. paper titled “Role of transoesophageal echocardiography in detecting patent foramen ovale in young stroke patients: A retrospective study”. I would like to thank this honor. This paper has valuable data, although with the inherent limitations of a retrospective analysis, especially about the bias that could indicate TOE in a given patient. Nonetheless, I have some comments. COMMENTS Title -Although etiologies of ischemic strokes occurring in people aged <60 years have important differences when compared with older people, the title “young stroke patient” can be considered misleading, since the “traditional” cut-off for defining a young person is usually somewhere between 40-50 years. I would advise to be more descriptive by saying something like “…foramen ovale in stroke patients aged <60 years: A retrospective…”. This may be important, since the proportion of patients aged 51-59 was 55% in this data set. It is true that some other authors have previously used the term “young” for people aged >60 years (even in RCTs), but it has been arguable in the “strokeologists” community, given the current WHO definitions. Abstract -It would be interesting to declare the other TTE and TOE findings, to make possible calculating the proportion of PFOs among the other putative cardioembolic stroke etiologies. This may be important, since PFO in this age group may be an important putative etiology. -The sentence “The rate of PFO detection by TOE was correlated with younger age” needs statistical support, since correlation (not confounding with “association”) is a specific type of statistical analysis (i.e., either Pearson’s or Spearman’s). -Since PFO is mainly (although not solely) associated with AIS through paradoxical embolism, it is pertinent t ask, How many venous thrombotic events were identified among the whole cohort and among “cryptogenic” of “Known cause” patients? This can be deduce from the manuscript body, but it may be advisable to include this important information in the Abstract. -In the Abstract’s conclusion is better to say “In stroke patients aged 18–60 years…”. The statement “the effectiveness of PFO closure has been established 29 over medical treatment in reducing future reoccurrence of ischaemic stroke” lacks of supports in Results/Findings, i.e., it is not possible to conclude in such a sentence with the support of findings provided in the Abstract. -The authors provide results such as NNT in conclusions, but not in Results. This is a little odd, since conclusions is the part of the Abstract where authors refer to findings provided ins Results section. -I agree with the authors in that TOE may be better than TTE to detect PFO, but no findings where presented in the Abstract that forcefully support this notion. -In brief, more results in Abstract may make this paper more citable. Methods -It is necessary to declare whether in this medical center some stroke patients are admitted outside the stroke unit, and if so, how this characteristic may bias the clinical practice in searching for AIS etiology. -It is not completely clear why some patients received either TTE or TOE. Did some patients received firstly TTE and later TOE to actively find a PFO? What were the factors used in clinical practice to decide between TTE or TOE in this center? -The etiology categories are not traditional. I would rather recommend to use TOAST or ASCOD classification to comply with “traditional” language or understanding. After this, the “new” classification proposed by the authors can also be used to make the authors’ point. Results -I would rather change “TTE and TOE rates” to “TTE and TOE usage rates”. -The figure 2 can be eliminated, since only represents proportions that can be included only as text. -The figure 3 has a legend that seems confusing. ROCs plot sensitivity Vs 1-specificity of a diagnostic tool. This ROC graphic has been used by the authors plotting age as it were a diagnostic tool, but in the Results authors state that this plot is about the performance of TTE and TOE, but this is not the case. TTE or TOE provides either a “negative” (i.e., 0) or positive (i.e., 1) test result that would produce a different ROC pattern. I would not use age as a predicting/diagnosting factor to detect PFO. -The authors are not providing actual diagnostic performance data (i.e., sens, spec, PPV, NPV, LR+, LR-, accuracy, Youden’s index, etc.) to make the point that TOE performed better than TTE in detecting PFOs. This simply was not demonstrated in this study, so that claim cannot be supported. Discussion -A limitations section is needed for better interpretation of this hypothesis-generating study, especially with respect to the inherent bias of a retrospective study, and an analysis or explanation about what determined too practice either TTE or TOE in this set of patients. -To better answer the scientific question about which is better, TTE or TOE, the best way to do it is to use TTE AND TOE in ALL patients. If some patients received either TTE or TOE, the performance of either imaging technique may be influenced by patients’ factors. Please discussed more on that. -Please comment more about the very low frequency of deep vein thrombosis as compared with PFO, and the limitation of assigning causality by only find a PFO without active or strong identification of paradoxical embolism. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). 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PONE-D-20-21340R1 Role of transoesophageal echocardiography in detecting patent foramen ovale in stroke patients aged ≤60 years: A retrospective study PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Najjar, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. The manuscript improved substantially, with only minor details to be addressed, please refer to reviewer 1 comments on the website. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 10 2020 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. Guidelines for resubmitting your figure files are available below the reviewer comments at the end of this letter. If applicable, we recommend that you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io to enhance the reproducibility of your results. Protocols.io assigns your protocol its own identifier (DOI) so that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Miguel A. Barboza, MD, MSc Academic Editor PLOS ONE [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #2: I am very grateful to the authors for having listened to my recommendations and for taking the time to change the manuscript accordingly. There are only a few comments remaining: ABSTRACT COMMENT 1: -In the new Abstract the authors state that “The number needed to treat (NNT) to prevent the occurrence of an ischaemic stroke through PFO closure was 30.” However, since this is an observational analysis, real NNTs can be only inferred from RCTs, but not direct calculation can be obtained since no actual PFO closure was performed and compared with no closure to obtain real NNTs. Nonetheless, this calculation can be useful to the readers as a hypothetical estimation. Maybe the authors can lower the tone of this claim by saying that NNT to prevent a putative AIS recurrence through PFO closure was estimated at 30. COMMENT 2: -There is no need to declare the NNT acronym in Abstract if it will not be used again in the text. COMMENT 3: -In the previous Comment 4 (about the suggestion of including how many systemic venous thromboembolic events were identified in these patients) the authors responded “This important information has been included in the Abstract (page 2, lines 26-28).”, however, no information about the number of venous thrombotic events can be read from this new version of the Abstract. This may be of interest to the readers, because PFO is putatively associated with AIS through paradoxical embolism arising from thrombosis in the venous side of the circulation. RESULTS COMMENT 4: -I would recommend that the new Table 3 include the 95% CI for the estimations. This can be rapidly and freely obtained by using the following web-based tool: https://ebm-tools.knowledgetranslation.net/calculator/diagnostic/ ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). 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Role of transoesophageal echocardiography in detecting patent foramen ovale in stroke patients aged ≤60 years: A retrospective study PONE-D-20-21340R2 Dear Dr. Najjar, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Miguel A. Barboza, MD, MSc Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #2: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #2: Thank you. The authirs have adderessed my previous inquiries and the paper has improved very substantially. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #2: Yes: Erwin Chiquete, MD, PhD |
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PONE-D-20-21340R2 Role of transoesophageal echocardiography in detecting patent foramen ovale in stroke patients aged ≤60 years: A retrospective study Dear Dr. Najjar: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Miguel A. Barboza Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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