Peer Review History
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PONE-D-20-18733 Consonant and vowel articulation accuracy in younger and middle-aged Spanish healthy adults PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Moreno Torres, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Both reviewers are enthusiastic about your work, but at the same time identified some minor weaknesses that require improvement. Please see details listed below. Please submit your revised manuscript by Sep 7, 2020. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Two Expert Reviewers and I have reviewed your manuscript. Both reviewers are enthusiastic about your work, but at the same time identified some minor weaknesses that require improvement. For example, Reviewer 1 would like a more extensive and comprehensive literature review on stop voicing perception in the multilingual context (instead of only focusing on the Spanish language). While you have attempted to interpret your results in various ways, Reviewer 1 and I felt that a more systematic explanation based on (and cross-referencing) other existing reported studies is needed; this also echoes Reviewer 2’s comment that observations of “consonant utterances suffering more than vowels” should be justified in terms of the associated physiological mechanism of speech production. With these changes, you may better highlight the clinical implications of your study. Finally, Reviewer 2 also suggested the analysis of signal features utilized by the ASR and study the changes in them. I believe the feedback offered from this review can help your team to revise and resubmit the manuscript for further consideration. Please use the enclosed comments to guide your revisions, and do not forget to include a detailed response letter indicating how each detailed comment offered here is properly addressed. Thank you for the opportunity to review your work. I look forward to receiving the next draft of your manuscript. Sincerely, Dr. Anthony Kong Academic Editor, PLOS ONE Journal Requirements: When submitting your revision, we need you to address these additional requirements. 1. Please ensure that your manuscript meets PLOS ONE's style requirements, including those for file naming. The PLOS ONE style templates can be found at https://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/file?id=wjVg/PLOSOne_formatting_sample_main_body.pdf and 2. We noted in your submission details that a portion of your manuscript may have been presented or published elsewhere. "A previous analysis of the data from the speech-in-noise experiment described in this study has been published in the Journal of the Acoustical Society of America in 2017, as noted in the main the main manuscript. However, the analysis on that paper and the present one are substantially different, as are the motivations of the two studies. In the present study we inquire to what extent the results in one ASR experiment are in agreement with the speech-in-noise data. " Please clarify whether this publication was peer-reviewed and formally published. If this work was previously peer-reviewed and published, in the cover letter please provide the reason that this work does not constitute dual publication and should be included in the current manuscript. 3. We note that you have stated that you will provide repository information for your data at acceptance. 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Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Consonant and vowel articulation accuracy in younger and middle-aged Spanish healthy adults This study explores a hypothesis that consonants are more vulnerable to aging than vowels. The authors used an ASR system for Spanish word (W) and non--word (NW) repetitions. They found higher accuracy with the NWs of younger adults than with older people, and similarly when asked to recognize isolated syllables in background noise. I applaud the authors for attempting to interpret their results in various ways, but there is too much speculation here, with insufficient evidence to support many potential explanations. Also, the authors seem unaware of the large literature on stop voicing perception, citing only one reference 29. Yes, Spanish is different from other languages, but stop voicing perception occurs in many languages. Using “Preview” on the PDF file, all of the Figures’ content was located at the end of the file (annoying). Particular changes needed: …a group of healthy native listeners were asked … -> …a group of healthy native listeners was asked … .. multiple changes in the physiology and the cognitive skills .. -> .. multiple changes in physiology and cognitive skills .. ..(e.g. in coda position ..(e.g., in coda position … (i.e., always place a comma after each i.e., and e.g.,…) ..perceptual judgement experiment ->..perceptual judgment experiment “and might be more common languages with relatively simple syllable structures such as Hebrew and Spanish ” - this is not grammatical; i.e., no verb ..consists in using ASR systems -> consists of using ASR systems ..databases it should be possible explore phonetic trends in the social network ->..databases it should be possible to explore phonetic trends in the social network ..is not be possible today -> ..is not possible today consists in recognizing -> .. consists of recognizing (make this change throughout…) “..standard (i.e. optimal) configuration of most ASR systems is characterized by a poor temporal resolution ..” - While short windows are indeed standard, why would you state that that is both optimal AND poor? “..a loss of those acoustic events ..” - how do 10-ms frames cause such a loss? also, which events? Also, citing 18 makes no sense here, as that is merely the Kaldi tool, which does not state research results. “ASR systems may not be able to detect the difference between poorly articulated and a clearly articulated speech sounds” - of course not, they are not designed to do that; ASR translates speech to text, ASR does not attempt such other discriminations not be sufficientely severe to be -> not be sufficiently severe to be …they might be detected by an ASR system.. - this paper seems to have a misconception of ASR tasks; ASR does not detect problems with speech signals if the databased used to -> if the database used to …anticipated that the system would find differences …- there is a huge difference between “the system” discovering ideas and researchers using a system to find out things. One can indeed use ASR on different datasets and draw conclusions on differences in results; however, the ASR is not designed to locate such differences 25 ms. overlapping -> 25 ms overlapping (do not put a period after ms) ..to maximize the error lists … -why do that? composed by a total of -> composed of a total of annonimized -> anonymized 960 different stimuli (2 takers -> 960 different stimuli (2 talkers 240 tokens: 1 takers x -> 240 tokens: 1 talkers x the individual speaekers, specially -> the individual speakers, especially …three times more frequent in the MA group (4.8%) than in YA group (2.0%), -check the math miss-produced relatively -> mis-produced relatively Fig 1 -> Fig. 1 (same for all cases of “Fig”) duration equal of below .45 seconds. -> duration equal or below .45 seconds. male and female speaker we -> male and female speakers we would have not effect -> would have no effect A close inspections of -> A close inspection of ration of consonant errors -> ratios of consonant errors unrelated with the actual -> unrelated to the actual how the ASR system recognize them. -> how the ASR system recognizes them. …(70% versus 70%), … -this is not “above” resulst of the ASR system -> results of the ASR system of a speech in noise recognition task. -> of speech in a noise recognition task. ..have some striking coincidences: … - hardly surprising, as both emulate human audition “The temporal resolution is limited in ASR systems as the ones used in this study because it uses 25 ms window frames and 10 ms steps;” - do not state this as a fixed limitation; it is simple to modify window and step size in ASR; choices of 25 and 10 are very empirical, to balance accuracy and cost ..reason why the ASR system… are related .. -> .. reason why the ASR system… is related .. “…reason why the ASR system consistently found relatively low scores for this feature in the MA group are related with its technical limitations …” - to pursue this line of argument would require more detailed analysis, rather then pure speculation. technically limitations of the ASR system, -> technical limitations of the ASR system, “within speaker differences for Ws and NWs, within utterance prosodic positions differences and also difference ..” -> “within-speaker differences for Ws and NWs, within-utterance prosodic positions differences and also differences..” “..[29] … not the presence or absence of periodicity that serves to recognize it;” - there are many papers in the literature for stop voicing that note a wide range of acoustic features for this contrast, and not just “tension” “…that while the ASR system humans might be similar …” -bad grammar here; fix error (the text repeatedly says “related with”; replace all with “related to”) “ASR system provides a reliable approximation to articulation accuracy ..” - no, ASR just outputs a text interpretation; it does not do this …or, alternative, with minor physiological changes. -> …or, alternatively, with minor physiological changes. ..the difference between YA and MA speakers reflect -> ..the difference between YA and MA speakers reflects has fewer member than -> …has fewer members than …groups of sounds than might ->… groups of sounds that might words using exclusively of vowels -> …words using exclusively vowels consecuence of the increased -> consequence of the increased vowel accuracy becasue the former -> vowel accuracy because the former To conclude, ther results of -> To conclude, the results of in everyday communcation); -> in everyday communication); 3) intelligiblity depends on -> 3) intelligibility depends on Reviewer #2: The paper presents a study on the degree of degradation in speech with aging. It was observed that consonant utterances suffer more than vowels. Two group of young adults and middle aged adults were considered in the study. Degradation amount was quantified by performances of ASR as well as a human listeners in a noisy background. Justification for this particular mode of evaluation was provided. Error analysis was performed for the individual Vowels of the Spanish language bot in the context of valid words and non-word. A significant degradation was observed. The paper is well presented. The experimental studies are exhaustive. The experiments are well designed. I have the following review comments: 1. The observations should be justified in terms of the associated physiological mechanism of speech production. This will enab;le the use of the study for speech therapists. 2. Instead of using the ASR as a blackbox, authors may analyse the signal features utilized by the ASR and study the changes in them. This will enable use of the investigations in development of better ASR systems. 3. Besides age, subjects with other physiological conditions and from varying dialects in Spanish should be included in the study. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes: Pabitra Mitra [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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PONE-D-20-18733R1 Consonant and vowel articulation accuracy in younger and middle-aged Spanish healthy adults PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Moreno Torres, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. ============================== Dear Dr. Moreno Torres, We are interested in publishing your submission “Consonant and vowel articulation accuracy in younger and middle-aged Spanish healthy adults” in PLOS ONE. The manuscript does, however, require some further revision. We ask that you consider revising with respect to the changes suggested.
Specifically, a few minor changes are given by Reviewer 1. In addition, your earlier response to Reviewer 2 needs to be included in the main text (see below). Your earlier response: We agree with the reviewer. However, the large variability of speech articulation (register, dialect or even the psychological state) would make it most difficult to create a balanced corpus, which was necessary to answer this specific research questions addressed in this study. Hopefully, in the near future we will be able to use the same methodology for larger and more diverse groups of speakers, as suggested by the reviewer -> The above information should be mentioned specifically as a potential limitation and/or direction of further extension of the present investigation Please ensure you display the changes to your revised manuscript by using either the highlighter function in MS Word, or by using bold, underlined, or colored text. This will greatly help peer reviewers evaluate your revised submission. When submitting your new revision, a point-by-point response to the comments by Reviewer 1 and myself is optional. ============================== Please submit your revised manuscript by Nov 20, 2020. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. Guidelines for resubmitting your figure files are available below the reviewer comments at the end of this letter. If applicable, we recommend that you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io to enhance the reproducibility of your results. Protocols.io assigns your protocol its own identifier (DOI) so that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Anthony Pak-Hin Kong, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (if provided): Dear Dr. Moreno Torres, We are interested in publishing your submission “Consonant and vowel articulation accuracy in younger and middle-aged Spanish healthy adults” in PLOS ONE. The manuscript does, however, require some further revision. We ask that you consider revising with respect to the changes suggested. Specifically, a few minor changes are given by Reviewer 1. In addition, your earlier response to Reviewer 2 needs to be included in the main text (see below). Your earlier response: We agree with the reviewer. However, the large variability of speech articulation (register, dialect or even the psychological state) would make it most difficult to create a balanced corpus, which was necessary to answer this specific research questions addressed in this study. Hopefully, in the near future we will be able to use the same methodology for larger and more diverse groups of speakers, as suggested by the reviewer -> The above information should be mentioned specifically as a potential limitation and/or direction of further extension of the present investigation Please ensure you display the changes to your revised manuscript by using either the highlighter function in MS Word, or by using bold, underlined, or colored text. This will greatly help peer reviewers evaluate your revised submission. When submitting your new revision, a point-by-point response to the comments by Reviewer 1 and myself is optional. [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: a few minor changes needed: …identical in both group of speakers …-> …identical in both groups of speakers … Note that a primary cue to the place of articulation are … -> Note that primary cues to the place of articulation are … ..means that a decrease is the rate of recognition… -> ..means that a decrease in the rate of recognition… ..in Spanish language. -> ..in the Spanish language. ..versus vowels) the finer the categories… -> …versus vowels); the finer the categories.. ..in one condition exclusively). > ..in one condition exclusively. ..part of these errors are caused by ..-> ..some of these errors are caused by .. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". If this link does not appear, there are no attachment files.] While revising your submission, please upload your figure files to the Preflight Analysis and Conversion Engine (PACE) digital diagnostic tool, https://pacev2.apexcovantage.com/. PACE helps ensure that figures meet PLOS requirements. To use PACE, you must first register as a user. Registration is free. Then, login and navigate to the UPLOAD tab, where you will find detailed instructions on how to use the tool. 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Consonant and vowel articulation accuracy in younger and middle-aged Spanish healthy adults PONE-D-20-18733R2 Dear Dr. Moreno Torres, We’re pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it meets all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you’ll receive an e-mail detailing the required amendments. When these have been addressed, you’ll receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will be scheduled for publication. An invoice for payment will follow shortly after the formal acceptance. To ensure an efficient process, please log into Editorial Manager at http://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the 'Update My Information' link at the top of the page, and double check that your user information is up-to-date. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to help maximize its impact. If they’ll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team as soon as possible -- no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. Kind regards, Anthony Pak-Hin Kong, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): Dear Dr. Moreno Torres, I am pleased to accept your manuscript PONE-D-20-18733R2 “Consonant and vowel articulation accuracy in younger and middle-aged Spanish healthy adults” for publication in PLOS ONE. Thank you for the opportunity to review and publish your work. Sincerely, Anthony Pak-Hin Kong, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE Reviewers' comments: N/A |
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PONE-D-20-18733R2 Consonant and vowel articulation accuracy in younger and middle-aged Spanish healthy adults Dear Dr. Moreno Torres: I'm pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please let them know about your upcoming paper now to help maximize its impact. If they'll be preparing press materials, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. If we can help with anything else, please email us at plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE and supporting open access. Kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Anthony Pak-Hin Kong Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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