Peer Review History
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PONE-D-19-26164 Plastic sexual ornaments: metric choice for quantifying coloration in color-changing animals PLOS ONE Dear Mr Assis, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. Both reviewers liked to work, and I agree that it is potentially very but there are concerns which at present mean that it does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses each the points raised by both referees. Please send a covering letter explaining your responses to each point. ==============================ould appreciate receiving your revised manuscript by Jan 09 2020 11:59PM. When you are ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. To enhance the reproducibility of your results, we recommend that if applicable you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io, where a protocol can be assigned its own identifier (DOI) such that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: In this study, the authors try out different colourimetric indices to quantify hue and saturation of a temperature dependent signal in the Eastern fence lizard. Since different studies measure colour at different temperatures (especially on the field where this parameter cannot always be controlled), the values of these indices might not be comparable across studies. Here, the authors try to find out which index varies the least with temperature, or at least, which one does not change the individuals ranks. This manuscript is well written and a valuable contribution. I think it will be worth publishing once some details are made clearer/fixed, and once it is better explained how this study answers the question raised in the introduction. # Major comments - I think the work done here is a valuable enterprise but I'm a bit confused since at the end of the manuscript, I'm not entirely convinced you have manage to solve the problem mentioned in the introduction. Indeed, none of the metrics you proposed deals with the issue of different studies measuring at different temperature. Plus, there is no proof the work you did here can be transposed to other plastic ornaments. Maybe this can be solved by framing the article a bit less as a methodological article and insist more on the biological results: * in the introduction, explain that even though a metric independent from temperature would be ideal, a metric that conserves ranks is sufficient to answer many biological questions (provide a few examples of questions where it would be the case) * insist more on the (in my opinion) main result on this study: saturation (measured with appropriate metrics) ranks are well conserved across temperatures in Eastern fend lizards (and possibly use this result as your title instead of a methodological question that is not answered with certainty here) - I don't really understand how limiting the range to 300-600 nm (S3Sc) can help not capturing the effect of the background colouration. From what I understand looking at the Figure 2 (c panel), you will always measure R[550-650]/B2 since ""H1"" (not really H1 actually since this metric was designed to be used on bell-shaped spectra) will always be 600nm. This doesn't seem to provide any useful information about the saturation. This needs more thought but I'm even convinced it is possible to design a metric that works (and makes sense) for both ornamented and unornamented individuals... This needs more discussion in this introduction and the discussion itself. # Line by line comments: - L44-45: see Shawkey et al. (2011) 10.1016/j.zool.2010.11.001 for an additional example of the effect of hydration on colour, in a bird this time - L54: add a ref and a sentence to explain what 'badge' means in the context of selection selection - L71-72: refs? Here are some but they mainly concern iridescent colours in other taxa. It would be better if you could provide some studies on non-iridescent colours in lizards: 1. Fitzstephens DM, Getty T. Colour, fat and social status in male damselflies, Calopteryx maculata. Animal Behaviour. 1 Dec 2000;60(6):851‑5. 2. Meadows MG, Roudybush TE, McGraw KJ. Dietary protein level affects iridescent coloration in Anna’s hummingbirds, Calypte anna. Journal of Experimental Biology. 15 Aug 2012;215(16):2742‑50. - L86: is there a specific reason you didn't test other saturation metrics from Montgomerie (2006) such as S2 or S4? If so, it would be useful to explain these reasons. - L120: please add the exact version number you used for pavo. This will help with reproducibility in the future in case some functions change. Also please cite the article (10.1111/2041-210X.13174) instead of the package (or cite both if you prefer). - L121: this part is a bit confused. The interpolation done by pavo (performed during the file import step by `getspec()` or class conversion step by `as.rspec()`) is a linear interpolation. It is often recommended to smooth the spectra afterwards, especially for metrics sensitive to noise such as H1, but this is done by the `procspec()` function. Looking at Figure 2, the spectra don't seem smoothed. If you actually did use smoothing (which is absolutely crucial here in my opinion), please precise the span value used (as recommended in White et al. 2015 10.1016/j.anbehav.2015.05.007) and please update your plots in Figure 2 (it makes much more sense to show the data used to compute the indices instead of the raw data). - L130: the code has not been posted on GitHub yet, which means it is not available for review. If I get this manuscript for a second round of review, I would really like to see the code. - L133-137: please provide the formula or a figure that illustrates each one of these indices. Currently, it would be hard to understand for someone who hasn't read Montgomerie (2006) - L152: did you measure repeatability for each one of these indices? Especially for the "new" ones (S3Sc in particular which is the most unusual one). It's also not clear what happened to the 3 measurements you did on each individual. Did you average them for the rest of your analysis? - L169-174: I usually find it more legible/hepful to include the formula of your model rather than a description text. Could you please do both if you'd like to keep the text? - L221: your spectral data is most likely interpolated and pruned at every nm (it is for sure if you use pavo), so it doesn't make much sense to include decimals in your average and sd. - L239: S3ScFull is not defined in table 1. Is this a typo? - L242-243: it would be helpful to more clearly say that the only negative correlation is S3 in females (you say L240 it is negative but it's not clear it's the only one). - L328: I'm not a big fan of the term 'lower vertebrates' which convey the illusion of a directional evolution (the term 'invertebrates' itself is borderline since it's not a monophyletetic group but it's more common and less damaging). # Minor general comments: - add a picture of the investigated badge somewhere. Maybe it's your Fig. 1? This figure is missing from the pdf I got - I would like to see more discussion about how this could (or not) be applied to other organisms displaying temperature dependent colouration or plastic ornaments in general Reviewer #2: The authors of "Plastic sexual ornaments: metric choice for quantifying coloration in color-changing animals" (PONE-D-19-26164) present the results of a study designed to uncover i) how color changes as a consequence of temperature in eastern fence lizards and ii) how the metrics chosen to summarize relevant attributes of the ornamental colors can interact with the temperatures at which color measurements are taken to influence the conclusions drawn from such measures. This is an interesting study and the authors draw several important conclusions: First, the study further highlights the importance of standardizing the measurement temperature for species known to exhibit thermally-dependent color change. Second, the authors highlight the finding that even standardizing a given temperature can have important implications regarding color-based phenotypic comparisons (e.g. individual A may be more colorful than individual B at low and intermediate temps, but less colorful than individual B at high temps). My thoughts about the manuscript fall into two categories. First, though I think that the conclusions mentioned earlier are valuable and agree that these points should be made, I am not convinced that the experimental design adequately captures the relevant variation in color as a consequence of thermal sensitivity needed to put this variability in the appropriate context. Specifically, the authors discuss the thermal responsiveness of color in the context of reaction norms, yet measure and compare the color of their lizards at only two temperatures (though there are more than two temperatures represented collectively, each lizard has only two color values at each of two temperatures). Simply put, this sampling regime does not provide adequate insight into the thermal responses of the lizards. A more comprehensive sampling regime across temperatures might enable the collection and analysis of the data using well-developed techniques for analyzing and comparing reaction norms. Summary metrics of the reaction norms of each individual might therefore be the more appropriate way to deal with the temperature-sensitivity of color rather than looking for specific, and somewhat contrived, metrics of color that reproduce the ‘rank’ of individuals across temperatures and colors. This is the angle I excitedly anticipated based on the title and early parts of the paper, and I think such an approach could still be quite valuable with the right dataset. Second, given that these color badges are frequently studied in the context of social signaling, the fact that these analyses focused exclusively on the spectral characteristics of the colors measured without any account of the spectral sensitivities of the relevant receivers was quite surprising (and an oversight, in my opinion). There is a deep and growing literature on the visual capabilities of many animals, and interpreting signals within the appropriate, receiver-dependent context provides important context and insight into the selective forces generating and maintaining diversity in signaling traits. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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PONE-D-19-26164R1 Plastic sexual ornaments: assessing temperature effects on color metrics in a color-changing reptile PLOS ONE Dear Mr Assis, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. We would appreciate receiving your revised manuscript by Apr 25 2020 11:59PM. When you are ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. To enhance the reproducibility of your results, we recommend that if applicable you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io, where a protocol can be assigned its own identifier (DOI) such that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
Please note while forming your response, if your article is accepted, you may have the opportunity to make the peer review history publicly available. The record will include editor decision letters (with reviews) and your responses to reviewer comments. If eligible, we will contact you to opt in or out. We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Daniel Osorio Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (if provided): This ms. makes a useful contribution to the literature on colour signalling and colour measurement, it is thoughtful and will be appreciated by many in the field. I judge also that the main conclusions are sound, and am happy to recommend publication in PLoS One. I do however have a number of comments which you might consider. 1. I am not aware of any other example of an animal showing such dramatic colour changes with temperature at least in a what is clearly a signalling colour. I guess that you are planning to publish another article on this subject and what to keep your powder dry, but it would would be good to have at least some comment on the generality of the phenomenon, what you see as its significance, and on the literature. 2. a) The literature in this area uses the terms: 'purity', 'saturation', and 'chroma' - and maybe even 'chromaticness', more or less vaguely and interchangeably. I think it would be useful to have an explicit definition of the metric used, **preferably supported by a diagram to help those readers not familiar with the details of pavo etc. ** b) For similar reasons it would be nice also to see how the could move in the lizard's receptor space. c) No mention is made of 'luminance', yet this may well not be irrelevant to colour appearance, and should I think at least be documented - d) Estimated receptor excitation for all colours studied should be documented and available to readers, if this is not already done. 3. Line 67. Structural colours are often not associated with a specialised 'iridophores' but the general chitin, keratin matrix of the epidmermis. 4. Line 98. The relevance/nature of 'allocated pigments' to structural coloration should be made clear, since the pigment if there is one is likely only to be melanin, which is not in short supply for these lizards [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". If this link does not appear, there are no attachment files to be viewed.] While revising your submission, please upload your figure files to the Preflight Analysis and Conversion Engine (PACE) digital diagnostic tool, https://pacev2.apexcovantage.com/. PACE helps ensure that figures meet PLOS requirements. To use PACE, you must first register as a user. Registration is free. Then, login and navigate to the UPLOAD tab, where you will find detailed instructions on how to use the tool. If you encounter any issues or have any questions when using PACE, please email us at figures@plos.org. Please note that Supporting Information files do not need this step. |
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PONE-D-19-26164R2 Plastic sexual ornaments: assessing temperature effects on color metrics in a color-changing reptile PLOS ONE Dear Mr Assis, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. I am reluctantly asking for a minor revision, because I think that technically this ms does meet the PLoS ONE publication criteria,but there are couple of issues: 1. The cover letter states for comment 2b) b)'it would be nice also to see how the could move in the lizard's receptor space.' that 'the data was not as well represented as we hoped given their fine scale of our data in such a wide space. We have included the figure in a preliminary format here....' I do not see any such preliminary figure, and I find the justification that the receptor space is too large odd, as it is easy to plot an enlarged fraction of the entire space. Although you argue for the use of measure of colour (change) independent of the eye I think it is at least useful to know whether the colour changes that you document a) their detectability; and b) their direction to a natural viewer. 2. Please comment that in colour science saturation conventionally refer to an aspect of colour appearance (to human viewers) the usual definition of saturation, i.e. difference from the most similar grey (Wyszecki & Stiles 1982; or similar elsewhere). The use of the term in the animal coloration literature to refer to some measure of variation in reflectance across the visible spectrum is now established, but somewhat confusing especially where colour appearance to the viewer is relevant. 3. It seems to me that your model 3, though somewhat arbitrary is at least quite general comapred to measures S1, and perhaps well matched to animal visual systems because rhodopsin spectral sensitivities have a half width of roughly 100nm. Some comment to this effect would be useful. 4. Are your spectra available as ESM or otherwise? I think they should be. As I say these are 'optional' comments and I will accept the ms with any reasonable final revisions. This is a very interesting system and you have made a thoughtful and careful study. We would appreciate receiving your revised manuscript by May 29 2020 11:59PM. When you are ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. To enhance the reproducibility of your results, we recommend that if applicable you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io, where a protocol can be assigned its own identifier (DOI) such that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
Please note while forming your response, if your article is accepted, you may have the opportunity to make the peer review history publicly available. The record will include editor decision letters (with reviews) and your responses to reviewer comments. If eligible, we will contact you to opt in or out. We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Daniel Osorio Academic Editor PLOS ONE [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". If this link does not appear, there are no attachment files to be viewed.] While revising your submission, please upload your figure files to the Preflight Analysis and Conversion Engine (PACE) digital diagnostic tool, https://pacev2.apexcovantage.com/. PACE helps ensure that figures meet PLOS requirements. To use PACE, you must first register as a user. Registration is free. Then, login and navigate to the UPLOAD tab, where you will find detailed instructions on how to use the tool. If you encounter any issues or have any questions when using PACE, please email us at figures@plos.org. Please note that Supporting Information files do not need this step. |
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Plastic sexual ornaments: assessing temperature effects on color metrics in a color-changing reptile PONE-D-19-26164R3 Dear Dr. Assis, We are pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it complies with all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you will receive an e-mail containing information on the amendments required prior to publication. When all required modifications have been addressed, you will receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will proceed to our production department and be scheduled for publication. Shortly after the formal acceptance letter is sent, an invoice for payment will follow. To ensure an efficient production and billing process, please log into Editorial Manager at https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the "Update My Information" link at the top of the page, and update your user information. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to enable them to help maximize its impact. If they will be preparing press materials for this manuscript, you must inform our press team as soon as possible and no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. With kind regards, Daniel Osorio Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): Reviewers' comments: |
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PONE-D-19-26164R3 Plastic sexual ornaments: assessing temperature effects on color metrics in a color-changing reptile Dear Dr. Assis: I am pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper at this point, to enable them to help maximize its impact. If they will be preparing press materials for this manuscript, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. For any other questions or concerns, please email plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE. With kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Daniel Osorio Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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