Peer Review History
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PONE-D-19-26315 Properties of a Multidimensional Landscape Model for Determining Cellular Network Thermodynamics PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Plant, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. The paper was sent to two reviewers, who have now commented upon its suitability for publication. Both reviewers have raised major concerns that should be addressed before the paper can be considered further. These concerns include, but are not limited to, incomplete reference to previous work, novelty in the light of that previous work, and relevance to biology. Please address all the comments (see below, notice also commented pdf from reviewer 1) in your resubmission. We would appreciate receiving your revised manuscript by Dec 13 2019 11:59PM. When you are ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. To enhance the reproducibility of your results, we recommend that if applicable you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io, where a protocol can be assigned its own identifier (DOI) such that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: No ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: N/A Reviewer #2: N/A ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: In their ms, Hubbard and co-workers use an FPE approach and thermodynamic arguments to investigate cell population dynamics and stability. Overall, the ms is written well but some parts would need more clear explanations as stated below and commented in the attached pdf. While the ms is overall interesting, I have some general concerns with the content and presentation. In particular, their main result for the KL based definition of a relative entropy was derived before and a thermodynamic interpretation of high dimensional readouts was done by others, too. Therefore, the innovation of the ms is a bit limited. Major points: - The term Thermo-FP is a bit irritating. The FPE is rooted in statistical physics as an approximation of the Master Eq. and hence per se a TD description (including temperature which was not considered here explicitly). What the authors probably mean with the “Thermo” prefix is a thermodynamic interpretation of the fluctuation correlations? This should be clearly stated and explained in the main text. - While their argumentation and interpretation is meaningful, the presentation could be improved to make it also readable for non-experts. - More importantly, I missed some key references and discussions with published work. o The connection to stochastic thermodynamic (sTD) is not done in the main text (besides one ref to Seifert in another context). In this respect, the statement that “For a nonequilibrium steady state system, the occupation of microstates results from irreversible processes ..” (l. 138) is not correct in sTD processes are reversible! o The KL based definition of the relative free energy is rigorously derived by Rao et al. (https://journals.aps.org/prx/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevX.6.041064) and should be mentioned and compared here. o The thermodynamic interpretation of fluctuations wrt to cell states and their stability was also studied by e.g. Chen (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep00342) or Huang (https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.2000640). - Given these published studies, the innovation of the ms is not really clear (and not clearly stated). - For me the connection from the physical non-equilibrium state to the biological non-equilibrium state is not clearly described. While from the chemo-physical perspective “ENERGY” would correspond to ATP or similar energy substrates, the biological state is here described by the gene regulatory network state. How are these two levels linked? Is the physical heat dissipation comparable with biological ordering? In this context, Eqs. 3-6 should be explained in more detail to enable plausibility check. Why should Eq. 4 be general valid? - Given these critical comments above, the proposed application to biological systems is interesting but without a proof of concept application to investigate the network contribution (even with public available data) and a concrete comparison with other methods including those mentioned above, the applicability of the suggested framework cannot be judged. Besides these major points, I highlighted and commented some minor points in the attached pdf. Based on this evaluation, I think that the ms is interesting but does not reach the level of PLoSONE in its current form. Reviewer #2: This manuscript aims to develop a framework for the thermodynamics of a cell population at nonequilibrium steady states. The analysis referred to as Thermo-Fokker-Planck gives insight into the relative contributions of various network components to the relaxation process. The original method was developed for nonequilibrium steady states of nonliving systems. Efforts are made to apply this method to a population of living cells. These are interesting ideas and the direction is important for today’s physical biology. However, it would be very useful to make the text easier to digest for both non-theoretical physicist and experimental biologist readers unfamiliar with the nonequilibrium thermodynamics bases of the manuscript. (1) The way this method transfers from nonliving to living systems is unclear. What exactly are the sources and sinks of entropy and energy? In what sense and why are cell populations nonequilibrium? What does temperature mean here? Some clarifications are needed to make all this useful for the community. (2) While the manuscript follows the spirit of theoretical papers such as Ref. 38 by Oono & Paniconi, it should also incorporate the spirit of Shin-ichi Sasa & Hal Tasaki, Journal of Statistical Physics 125(1), 2006, which should be cited. What Sasa & Tasaki exemplifies is how very simple, realistic systems such as sheared flow or thermal flow can be used to demonstrate the applicability of theory. The same should be done here for at least one or two biological systems: what plays the role of a “wall” (as in sheared flow) for cell populations? (3) There are some statements that often fail in biological, cellular systems. For example, ergodicity (line 47) and detailed balance (lines 193-195) completely fail if protein levels affect the growth rate (and thereby the dilution rate). That is, the steady-state moments of time courses from tracking single-cell lineages over time will differ from steady-state moments over cell populations at any given time. This effect is described in PMID:22511863 and PMID:30341217, which would be worth citing and discussing. The statements about ergodicity and detailed balance should include the limitation that these are valid only if growth rates do not depend on protein levels. (4) Line 141: “approaching its nonequilibrium steady state, entropy decreases over time” – this statement should be explained and references should be provided as it is unusual for anyone familiar with standard, classical thermodynamics. (5) Figure 2: only the high-sorted population is shown over time. In addition, the unsorted population and the low-sorted populations should also be shown at the same time points. (6) Boltzmann’s constant and temperature do not appear in the formulas of the paper. While it is OK to omit them, their meaning should still be clarified. The approach should be developed with k and T present and then they can be dropped once it is clear what happens with their incorporation. In fact, the temperature here is probably related to the fluctuations of molecule concentrations or cell states, meaning that the temperature may not be identical to the typical “absolute temperature” in statistical physics of nonliving systems. This should be clarified. (7) It would be helpful if the method could be illustrated on a very simple, 1- or 2-dimensional system, such as a constitutively synthesized protein with or without self-regulation or something similar, using actual matrices, probability distributions, etc. (8) Related to the previous comment, the heat terms may not be the usual heat measured in nonliving systems. This should be discussed and a practical interpretation for the heat terms should be provided. (9) The reason for assuming the “upper bound” (line 291) should be clarified. “Temperature associated with heat generation” etc. is unclear because heat and temperature are unclear (see above). (10) There are some typos throughout the text that should be corrected: “there can significant dynamics variability”, ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". If this link does not appear, there are no attachment files to be viewed.] While revising your submission, please upload your figure files to the Preflight Analysis and Conversion Engine (PACE) digital diagnostic tool, https://pacev2.apexcovantage.com/. PACE helps ensure that figures meet PLOS requirements. To use PACE, you must first register as a user. Registration is free. 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PONE-D-19-26315R1 The Role of Fluctuations in Determining Cellular Network Thermodynamics PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Plant, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. As you'll see from the report below, reviewer 1 still has a minor issue with the terminology that I would ask you to address before final acceptance. Upon resubmission I will send the manuscript again to reviewer 1 for a quick final decision. We would appreciate receiving your revised manuscript by Mar 14 2020 11:59PM. When you are ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. To enhance the reproducibility of your results, we recommend that if applicable you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io, where a protocol can be assigned its own identifier (DOI) such that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: N/A ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: While the authors have addressed most of my comments in a satisfactory manner and the ms has improved, I still do not agree with their general statement to reviewer 2 that "In addition, we now make clear that by temperature we mean a real thermodynamic temperature; T is now explicitly written into the equations throughout the manuscript." In best case, their temperature is a relative temperature that can be compared between the different system states but cannot be an absolute temperature (measured in K) because the underlying molecular mechanisms are not resolved. Hence, investigating 2 different systems or 2 different measurement wrt monitored proteins by microscopy of the same system will/can lead to different "temperatures" that can only barely be compared. This should be clarified in the text to avoid confusion of the readership. Otherwise, the ms is in a solid shape now. Reviewer #2: I would like to thank the Authors for addressing my questions. I would like to recommend publication. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. 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PONE-D-19-26315R2 The Role of Fluctuations in Determining Cellular Network Thermodynamics Dear Dr. Plant: I am pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper at this point, to enable them to help maximize its impact. If they will be preparing press materials for this manuscript, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. For any other questions or concerns, please email plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE. With kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr. Jordi Garcia-Ojalvo Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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