Peer Review History
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PONE-D-19-14549 Visual body form and orientation cues do not modulate visuo-tactile temporal integration PLOS ONE Dear Dr Smit, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. I have now obtained two reviews of your paper. As you will see, both reviewers are positive about your study and believe that it should be published, as do I. Both reviewers have made a number of comments and suggestions about how your study could be improved. I would like to invite to you revise your paper in light of these comments, which I do not think should be difficult. We would appreciate receiving your revised manuscript by Aug 23 2019 11:59PM. When you are ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. To enhance the reproducibility of your results, we recommend that if applicable you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io, where a protocol can be assigned its own identifier (DOI) such that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: I Don't Know Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: No ********** 4. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Summary of the Research and Overall Impression - The focus of this research is centered around the question of how sensory cues modulate multisensory integration for body perception. In particular, this study used a visuo-tactile temporal order judgment (TOJ) task to test whether visual form and orientations cues could cause temporal integration. Comparisons were made between three conditions (hand in a plausible orientation; hand in an implausible orientation; sponge as a non-hand object) - The authors provide an extensive literature review that looked at various aspects of multisensory integration. Individual studies are described in quite a lot of detail but are used to relate and put the current study into context with previous findings. - Potential issues and limitations of previous studies were effectively identified and they aimed to remove some of these in the current study. - The findings showed that the three conditions did not differ, implying that visual form and orientation cues do not modulate temporal integration of visuo-tactile bodily signals. The authors focus the discussion on the conflicting findings in previous studies and conclude that the underlying mechanisms involved in multisensory integration appear to be different depending on the modalities used. Examples and Evidence Major Issues: - 1) Since the introduction jumps right into a detailed review of the literature, it was a bit unclear what the current study was going to look at until the final paragraph. This made it harder to follow the logic of how and why the research questions fit into existing literature. - 2) The discussion repeats a lot of what was said in the introduction about the limitations and how the studies differ. A lot of those details included in the introduction about each study could be moved to the discussion to provide more support for the claims and conclusions made. This would also help to streamline the introduction and make it easier to follow what the current study is focused on. - 3) Besides for methodologies and analyses, any possible thoughts or ideas about what factors might be influencing how multisensory events are integrated into time? Minor Issues: - 3) Paragraph indentation is inconsistent throughout the manuscript. - Methods: - 4) The first paragraph (lines 1 – 8) of the “Apparatus and stimuli” section has a lot of information that is repeated throughout the rest of the methods. It might be more appropriate later in the section or in the “Procedure” section. - 5) Subheadings could be useful to organize and describe the different types of stimuli used. - 6) For the 2nd criteria for data exclusion, how/what was used to determine if a curve had failed to converge on a solution for fitting a sigmoid function? Reviewer #2: Smit and colleagues tested the effect of visual ‘compellingness’ on visual-tactile temporal integration windows. To this aim, they presented videos of hands (oriented in different directions) and a sponge being touched as visual stimuli. Using Bayes factors, the authors confirmed the absence of any effects on visual-tactile temporal order judgments. The study is carefully designed, results and analysis are sound. However, the authors might want to consider the alternative explanations for the absence of an effect listed below. The measured JNDs a very large compared to previous studies (e.g., Keetels & Vroomen, 2008). This might be related to the nature of the visual stimuli; their onset could be harder to identify than that of simple flashes. Importantly, it is possible that the visual stimulus category had no influence on temporal integration windows because the noise of the visual temporal estimate dominated over the general assumption of a common cause in causal inference (Koerding et al., 2007, Eq. 2). In other words, the likelihoods of a common and of separate causes (Eqs. 4 and 6) might have been so small, that the size of p common hardly influenced the probability assigned to a common cause. Some additional differences between the different studies should be included in the discussion. 1) Some of the studies used 3d hand stimuli, others 2d hand stimuli. 2) When a 2d hand is presented via the monitor (as in the current study) there is a mismatch between the real hand which is rotated orthogonal to gravity and the depicted hand which is rotated in the same direction as gravity. There are fundamental differences between the current study design (and that of other cited studies) and the rubber hand illusion. Most importantly, the rubber hand illusion has to be induced by synchronous stroking of both hands. Therefore, the authors might focus stronger on those studies with a closer relation to the present study and reduce the references to the rubber hand illusion. It seems to be an interesting coincidence that after collection of a dozen datasets the BF provides strong evidence in favor of a form effects. The authors might want to comment on this. p. 17 + Figure 3 Please clarify a) whether the Cauchy prior which parameters have been tested is a prior on the size of the effect and b) how the directionality of the effect could be ignored when setting a prior on the effect size. Moreover, it seems more reasonable to assume an effect size based on visual-tactile studies rather than mixing visual-tactile and visual-proprioceptive studies. The PSE provides no relevant information and could be dropped entirely. Did participants receive feedback during the practice block? Figure 2A Please include error bars p. 20 ‘95%CI’ -> ‘95% CI’ ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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PONE-D-19-14549R1 Visual body form and orientation cues do not modulate visuo-tactile temporal integration PLOS ONE Dear Dr Smit, Thank you for submitting your revised paper to PLOS ONE. As you will see, both reviewers were generally satisfied with the revisions you have made based on their previous comments. Reviewer 2, however, continues to have concerns about your interpretation of your results, and has made some details comments. I would therefore like to invite you to respond to this issue, and to review your paper appropriately. Based on your response, I will make a decision about whether to send the paper back to Reviewer 2 for further comment. We would appreciate receiving your revised manuscript by Nov 01 2019 11:59PM. When you are ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. To enhance the reproducibility of your results, we recommend that if applicable you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io, where a protocol can be assigned its own identifier (DOI) such that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
Please note while forming your response, if your article is accepted, you may have the opportunity to make the peer review history publicly available. The record will include editor decision letters (with reviews) and your responses to reviewer comments. If eligible, we will contact you to opt in or out. We look forward to receiving your revised manuscript. Kind regards, Matthew Longo, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: All comments have been addressed Reviewer #2: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Partly ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Great job with responding to and addressing all of the comments. The changes have greatly improved the introduction and overall paper. I have no additional comments or concerns. Reviewer #2: The authors did a nice job in revising the manuscript. However, I must insist that there is a good explanation of the results within the causal inference framework and, thus, the conclusion cannot include a rejection of or any speculation about the causal inference model. My previous comment on this issue obviously did not a good job in explaining why this is the case, so I have included more details about the model logic. Bayes in the Brain Rejecting a model without fitting it to the data is a problematic endeavor, as it is very hard to predict the outcome of complex models without model implementation. The current study shows that visual form and orientation cues have no effect on visual-tactile temporal integration windows. However, this result is not sufficient to reject the causal inference model for temporal integration. The reason lies in the inner workings of the causal inference model. The authors assume that the visual manipulations affect participants’ common cause prior which in turn would affect the weight given to the integrated estimate (also see comment below about terminology). Such an effect could become visible in the size of the integration window, i.e., the JND. However, the size of the mixture weights depends not exclusively on the common cause prior but also on the sensory signals, i.e., the likelihoods and the sensory prior(s): In the model, the probability that the two measurements that arrived in the brain stem from one cause (P(x_t, x_v|C=1)) and the probability that the same signals originate from different causes are calculated (P(x_t, x_v|C=2)) and then multiplied with the common cause prior to derive a posterior estimate of the probability of a common cause given the signals (P(C=1|x_t, x_v)). This probability is then used to calculate the mixture weights. As a consequence, a change in the common cause prior will only measurably affect the mixture weights and thus the integration window, if the sensory information about a common cause is ambiguous. Here, it seems very unlikely that this is the case. The visual stimuli are likely to result in wide likelihoods (which has nothing to do with sample size, that is a different kind of noise) because the exact time point of the stimulation might be hard to extract compared to a flash of light. The large JNDs indeed could indicate such wide likelihoods. If the sensory information of one modality is quite uncertain, the probability that the two measurements that arrived in the brain stem from one cause (P(x_t, x_v|C=1)) will be high. Thus, the influence of changes in the common cause prior will not be noticeable. Additionally, the large JNDs might indicate a very high common cause prior in any condition, which would make it even more unlikely to notice the effects of a change in the common cause prior with visual form and orientation. This is because an increase in the common cause prior from 0.4 to 0.6 could lead to more drastic behavioral changes than an increase from 0.7 to 0.9 (and again, this depends on the sensory information). Taken together, the authors cannot make any claim about the validity of the causal inference model for temporal integration. However, this is not necessarily bad. The study used realistic stimuli. Thus, even within the model we learn that under naturalistic conditions any effect of general information regarding the unity of the signals (i.e., the common cause prior) diminishes due to the dominance of sensory information. Side note: as laid out above, in the model, the brain does not decide between integration and separation (as the text sometimes states) but derives both estimates and integrates them weighted by the probability of the underlying scenario. There are now multiple modeling and imaging studies that support that both estimates are derived. From a model perspective, integration itself can either be based on the optimal weights or not, but integration cannot be weak or strong (the text speaks of strong temporal integration). The same holds from a physiological perspective, the effects can be weak or strong but integration itself can only be present or absent. The multisensory community usually uses the terms wide and narrow temporal integration windows. Bayesian Statistics Some aspects of the Bayesian analysis are still a bit confusing, which might be due to the fact that toolboxes with built-in options were used. I recommend simplifying, so that readers can concentrate on the main message. 1) The visual-proprioceptive studies should not be used for the effect size estimation, simply because touch and proprioception are different modalities. 2) Given the small difference between the BF scores, the bi-directional hypothesis should be fine. 3) Figure 3 might well do more harm than good by simply distracting readers. Readers who are not informed about Bayesian statistics will not understand why the choice of prior over effect size matters. Readers savvy in Bayesian statistics usually are not too fond of toolboxes and thus will not really care for Figure 3. Those readers who need to be convinced that the effect which is looks very evident in Figure 2 is not dependent on the choice of prior should be satisfied with the text saying that the robustness was verified. Minor points - The results figures look very blurry in the reviewer pdf. The authors might want to check what is going on there before the paper goes into production. - There are several instances in which 95%CI should be replaced with 95% CI. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". If this link does not appear, there are no attachment files to be viewed.] While revising your submission, please upload your figure files to the Preflight Analysis and Conversion Engine (PACE) digital diagnostic tool, https://pacev2.apexcovantage.com/. PACE helps ensure that figures meet PLOS requirements. To use PACE, you must first register as a user. Registration is free. Then, login and navigate to the UPLOAD tab, where you will find detailed instructions on how to use the tool. If you encounter any issues or have any questions when using PACE, please email us at figures@plos.org. 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Visual body form and orientation cues do not modulate visuo-tactile temporal integration PONE-D-19-14549R2 Dear Dr Smit, We are pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it complies with all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you will receive an e-mail containing information on the amendments required prior to publication. When all required modifications have been addressed, you will receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will proceed to our production department and be scheduled for publication. Shortly after the formal acceptance letter is sent, an invoice for payment will follow. To ensure an efficient production and billing process, please log into Editorial Manager at https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the "Update My Information" link at the top of the page, and update your user information. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to enable them to help maximize its impact. If they will be preparing press materials for this manuscript, you must inform our press team as soon as possible and no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. With kind regards, Matthew Longo, Ph.D. Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): Reviewers' comments: |
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PONE-D-19-14549R2 Visual body form and orientation cues do not modulate visuo-tactile temporal integration Dear Dr. Smit: I am pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been deemed suitable for publication in PLOS ONE. Congratulations! Your manuscript is now with our production department. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper at this point, to enable them to help maximize its impact. If they will be preparing press materials for this manuscript, please inform our press team within the next 48 hours. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information please contact onepress@plos.org. For any other questions or concerns, please email plosone@plos.org. Thank you for submitting your work to PLOS ONE. With kind regards, PLOS ONE Editorial Office Staff on behalf of Dr Matthew Longo Academic Editor PLOS ONE |
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