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PONE-D-19-24742 Range of motion and between-measurement variation of spinal kinematics in sound horses at trot on the straight line and on the lunge. PLOS ONE Dear Mrs. Hardeman, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. We would appreciate receiving your revised manuscript by Dec 27 2019 11:59PM. When you are ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. If you would like to make changes to your financial disclosure, please include your updated statement in your cover letter. To enhance the reproducibility of your results, we recommend that if applicable you deposit your laboratory protocols in protocols.io, where a protocol can be assigned its own identifier (DOI) such that it can be cited independently in the future. For instructions see: http://journals.plos.org/plosone/s/submission-guidelines#loc-laboratory-protocols Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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[Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 2. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: I Don't Know ********** 3. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? 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Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is a well written manuscript using a robust study design and appropriate methods to address the function and ROM of normal pelvic and spinal kinematics in horses during overground locomotion. As this information is not currently available in the literature the study makes a valuable contribution to knowledge and will be an important reference for veterinary researchers and practitioners. I have some minor comments: Line 87: Although this has been published previously I feel it would be useful to include further details here, as EVJ is not open access and also as your findings have large between subject variation. Line 173 (table 1): It needs to be clear that these are values offset from the mean for each horse. Table 1: Clarify what you mean by T12 etc. in the legend. Line 213-217: Although this is detailed the exact number of horses, surfaces, path and days used in the analysis is not clear. Line 227 says all 12 horses over all 12 repetitions, but if M11 and 12 were missing for 3 horses this does not seem possible. Please clarify. Line 234: Suggest you remove between, i.e. Between-measurement variation…… Line 237: Why is S4 supplementary? I feel these data should be included in the main body of the paper. Table 2: Provide a more detailed legend for the table which also clearly states that these are ‘whole body’ measurements. Line 308: I think the manuscripts lacks (either in the intro or in the discussion or both) a description of ‘normal function’ in a straight line and on the lunge. What is the role of the spine and pelvis in normal trotting? Line 313: Please expand here. Line 326-335: I thought these data were normalized in Table 1? If so, this may be just more head movement compared to the mean, but the mean may be overall more to the right? I think you need to include S4 data from absolute values when discussing laterality. Body tracking is not symmetric from absolute values. Looks like more bias of forehand right-pelvis left on left circle, but for the other 3 surfaces/paths the opposite is probably true, but to a lesser extent. General comment: A discussion of back function in trot compared to walk or canter would be helpful. Is the back supposed to stabilize in trot? Also, body to pelvic motion, was this normalized? If so, how did this affect symmetry/laterality? Although there is a large amount of graphical data in the manuscript and supplementary information it appears that the authors have not included ‘raw’ data values from which the graphical and statistical analysis were created/analysed. This needs to be made available in line with the policy of the journal. Reviewer #2: PONE D 19 24742 Review General comments The stated aim of this study was to quantify in an objective manner the spinal kinematics and the variation appreciated between different measurement times, different surfaces and different days in “owner-sound” horses. This study uses data collected within a larger project for which some results have already been published relating to variation in gait parameters that are measured during lameness evaluation. The manuscript presented here investigates spinal movement, in particular range of motion along the axial skeleton in the same horses measured using state of the art motion capture technology. Overall, the manuscript is well written and well presented. There is no clear hypothesis stated regarding the authors expectations regarding outcomes of the study and would be good to add a hypothesis/hypotheses that can be commented on in the discussion. The material and methods are well described and are clear. Where necessary, the authors have referenced previous studies in which certain analysis techniques have been established which is helpful and results in a relatively concise M&M section for a detailed study. How does calibration residual of 3.2 mm relate to an angle measurement of 1 degree, since findings measured in degrees? Is this acceptable? Statistical analysis – appears to be robust but I am not a statistician so consultation with one might be useful, particularly the paragraph regarding the mixed models. The graphs that present the prediction intervals with the different measurements on each day and the different days are a good representation of the overall data sets. The authors have found a useful way of presenting the data so the reader (and researcher) can assess visually the large amount of data collected and processed in this study. The discussion covers the important points but lacked clear relation of the findings to an overall picture of the evaluation of the equine spine and how the findings not only support/refute previous literature but also how they could influence clinical evaluation of the equine spine. More author input/clear comment is required regarding what the findings mean in the context of subjective and or objective evaluation of the equine spine kinematics. As the manuscript is reviewed, please make sure it is always clear where the topic is within horse variation and where between horse variation. Mostly this is clear but would be worth a careful recheck. Specific comments Line Abstract 37 Use “in conclusion”.. 38 Is it only subjective, but also objective examination/interpretation that is difficult? Introduction 42 Since neck motion is also included, is it back pain or axial skeleton pain? Would “Back pain resulting in movement dysfunction – or something like that work better here? “which can” to replace “and it can” 45-46 This sounds like it is the rider that has reluctance to bend.. etc. Reword so clear that it is the horse that is showing the signs the rider appreciates 53- Be clearer false positive or false negative diagnosis of back pain … 54 Should be “a” not “an” 58 Greater than what? greater than the subjectivity of lameness evaluation? Say clearly Use “more subtle” instead or “much subtler”; and be specific about changes in what? Changes in back movement? Response to palpation? All clinical signs of back pain? 73 Aims are clear. No hypothesis given. Materials and Methods 91-93 Needs to be clearer here. Fit to compete based on lameness assessment, with fitness to compete defined as….. Basically mimicking the FEI trot-up? Or alter wording to match that of your EVJ publication which is clearer. 100 Consider “on subsequent examinations” rather than following days. 103 To the right and left (rather than either side) 104 Delete “respectively”, as not correctly used here. This isn’t very clear. Would it work to say T-shaped strip extending between the t coxae with the “T” at the t sacrale? Can you include a figure for the marker placement? 115 Does this mean all video cameras synchronised during data collection? If yes, then maybe say this earlier in paragraph when describing cameras. 124 Is this a break from measurement or rest from any riding exercise, competition or turnout? 148 , 322 Suggest “performed” rather than “done” 165 The cervical lateral bending seems to be measuring the angle that exists between the trunk and the cervical region with the head at the farthest extend. Is this really cervical bending, since the angle of bend along the neck is not being calculated. Consider if another term for this measurement might be a more accurate description? 196 Consider adding .day 2 (6-10), and 11-12 on day three. That is how these trials are referred to in previous work, so might be more consistent to maintain that here? 198-200 This sentence regarding the testing of the “speed” variable is confusing. Please clarify. 202 , 336 Sentences should not be started with “because” if avoidable. Would “however” work here? 227 Consider adding except for the excluded data sets as mentioned above? Since only 9 horses for M11 and 12 and 61 trials excluded for too few steps. Table 2 Prediction interval is useful but should this be in the context of the overall variation for each parameter to provide perspective. i.e., if PI is 1 degree but the mean angle range for the selected ROM parameter is 10 this is different than if the angle range is 5 for the selected parameter. I realise that including the other values might make the table more complicated but consider if this would provide necessary context for the reader. 276 Significantly more compared to? And for which parameters? 276 Not clear to what “this” refers. Please use the subject of the sentence – is it the variation that was higher. This sentence is confusing so please restate to make it clearer. 278 Do you mean that speed did not have a significant effect on the model outcomes? 278-280 Again, please clarify - a tendency to what? 281 Suggest - Head swivel angle – for clarity 282 Again, for clarity add… more variation in head swivel angle… and more than what? 286-288 Please list the segments that did not have reduced variation. Then, reduced variation was noted with increased repetitions for back segment angles on the hard surface. 296-297 Could you state which highest and lowes Table 3 Check that column headers are correct. All other tables have Hard Straight first then soft straight, but here you have reversed them. Suggest switching order for consistency. Then also visual inspection of the table clearly shows poorer ICC fo hard straight compared to others just based on the colours seen. Discussion 310-311 Is this 30-50% of the total ROM range of values? Maybe add as a clarification. I think your comment here links to my comments on Table 2 in terms of putting the PI’s into context of overall ranges for each variable. That will provide a better chance for the reader to appreciate this comment you are making in the discussion. Since table 1 has more than 5 parameters listed, would it be worth putting them in bold so that reader can easily return to the table and be clear which parameters are the main ones? 313-315 Movement quality is a poorly defined term… is there another way to say what you mean? Is that related to stride length, foot flight, -- and are there certain characteristics of movement quality that would include certain parameters measured in this study? Individual patterns of what? Be clearer what you are trying to convey to the reader. 316-319 Much of this is repeating M&M so could you simply say – “our inclusion criteria were designed to be representative of the sport horse population that is likely to undergo evaluation of spinal movement as part of an examination? Or something along those lines which would emphasize your reason for the inclusion criteria? 321 Symmetrical in what – their gait patterns? 326 Throughout discussion.. is repeated mention of figures needed? Consider deleting. 327 ? instead of could be…. Use likely related to (if you think that is really the cause) 331 Or is a consequence… Can you work into this paragraph how cervical bending would effect back ROM. Would it be expected to affect one parameter more than another (pitch, yaw, roll, etc).. so relate your interpretation to the clinical parameter you are measuring. Do you have a suggestion about how to possibly overcome this variation in your data? Randomise and lead from right 50% of time in next study? 336 Try “Due to” in place of “because” 338 Being used as,,,, or serving as its own control 338-341 Expand on this for clarity… within your study, are the within horse variations smaller than between horse.. State clearly as this is the reason for doing the study… (and this could form one of your hypotheses). Were the within horse differences in the quoted study more of less than the between horses? Tie this study in more clearly to your study and your interpretation. Does “rather small” mean not significant differences… better to just say that for clarity. 345 Between measurement within horse? Maybe worth specifying. 346 Larger than what? 357-359 Double check this reasoning for signal to noise and ICC? 361 Suggest delete “and” and place “,” 363 Can you draw together your statements for this paragraph and maybe say if you think one surface is better and provides mor consistent clinical data than another? Should evaluation of the spine in motion only be done on a soft surface? And ditto for the next paragraph. 368 -373 Sentence awkward? Revise please to first reflect the message you wan to convey (? Learning of horse, warming up?) then link to previous study, then say why it is important to the interpretation of your data and study design. 374 Could you more clearly link this paragraph’s message to the previous – citing marker placement variation to the differences between days 1 2 and recheck? 388 Not sure “regard” is the best word here. ? include? 389-402 Iimportant information as it relates to repeatability and correlation but can you be more succinct and also be more specific about the relevance. In line 395 – tie together the lameness parameters/ICC to the back and why he differences might be important to clinical interpretation. Similar for the IMU statements.. relate to your study and how the other findings support/refute and their relevance to clinical evaluation. 404 Is “variable way” best? Considerable variation exists in the approach to examination of the equine thoracolumbar /cervical region. 406 Suggested rephrase: Additionally, the human eye may not be capable of appreciating the small variations in normal or asymmetric back movement. 409 What is This here/ the preliminary data, the poor agreement… Are there other examples of poor agreement in observation of lameness that could support this statement 428-430 Confusing sentence as now you talk about recheck before day1 and 2. Can you turn sentence around? Should your statistical analysis have accounted for the lost trials? If so, then maybe don’t need to include here. 438 Remove the brackets and rephrase.. The optical motion capture method…. 441 Suggest delete “forward” ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. 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Range of motion and between-measurement variation of spinal kinematics in sound horses at trot on the straight line and on the lunge. PONE-D-19-24742R1 Dear Dr. Hardeman, We are pleased to inform you that your manuscript has been judged scientifically suitable for publication and will be formally accepted for publication once it complies with all outstanding technical requirements. Within one week, you will receive an e-mail containing information on the amendments required prior to publication. When all required modifications have been addressed, you will receive a formal acceptance letter and your manuscript will proceed to our production department and be scheduled for publication. Shortly after the formal acceptance letter is sent, an invoice for payment will follow. To ensure an efficient production and billing process, please log into Editorial Manager at https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/, click the "Update My Information" link at the top of the page, and update your user information. If you have any billing related questions, please contact our Author Billing department directly at authorbilling@plos.org. If your institution or institutions have a press office, please notify them about your upcoming paper to enable them to help maximize its impact. If they will be preparing press materials for this manuscript, you must inform our press team as soon as possible and no later than 48 hours after receiving the formal acceptance. Your manuscript will remain under strict press embargo until 2 pm Eastern Time on the date of publication. For more information, please contact onepress@plos.org. With kind regards, Chris Rogers Academic Editor PLOS ONE Additional Editor Comments (optional): Thank you for the revised manuscript. You have adequately addressed the comments by the reviewers. Reviewers' comments: |
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