4th December 2019
Response to Reviewers
R: (Reviewer)
A: (Answer)
R: Reviewer #1: This study investigated the developmental process of proprioceptive
ability and the impact of virtual reality on proprioceptive ability by using the self-turn
paradigm. The results showed that children aged 4 to 8 years made more proprioceptive
errors than adults, while children aged 9 to 14 years developed proprioceptive ability
to the same level as adults. In addition, it revealed that the proprioceptive error
depending on visual information increases under the VR environment. This study is
significant in that it provides new evidence for the debate about when proprioceptive
ability develops to the same level as adults.
A: We thank the reviewer for this accurate summary of our manuscript.
R: In this study, Bayesian statistical models were used to explore the most appropriate
model. The method of statistical analysis is described in detail and very appropriate.
Thus, I would appreciate that the reliability of the results is very high. However,
I would like to point out that there are some problems with the experimental design.
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The experimental task was designed that the experimenter manually rotated the chair
at 90 or 180 degrees at first, but as reported in the supplement data, the actual
rotation varied between trials; it distributed from 60 to 180 degrees in the case
of 90 degrees, and from 100 to 270 degrees in the case of 180 degrees. Thus, there
is a serious concern that the variability of chair rotation was not same between conditions
or age groups. The authors should examine this possibility.
In addition, not only in the supplementary data, the information of actural chair
rotation should be described in the main document. They should report the mean, variance
and range of actual rotation angles for each 90 and 180 degrees.
A: Thank you for your helpful review and for this comment. It is correct that the
actual rotation amplitude is an important factor in this experiment. Given the variability
in actual rotation amplitude, this variable was analysed in a continuous manner, not
as a dichotomous categorical variable. While the majority of rotations were relatively
accurate to the aimed 90 or 180 degrees, allowing for a good estimation of accuracy
in “small” and “large” rotations across conditions and groups, there were some rotations
that fell outside this range. Figure 3 in the main manuscript displays the distribution
of the actual amplitude in the passive rotation. In the revision process, we have
also added a figure (S2 Fig.) in the Supplemental Materials document which shows the
distribution of the actual self-turn in the different experimental conditions according
to age group. It is possible to observe that distributions are slightly different,
but all of them cover approximately the same range of values. Considering amplitude
as a continuous variable and not as a dichotomous categorical variable gives us confidence
that our results were not influenced by the variability in the actual rotation between
experimental conditions and age groups. This decision is described in the manuscript
at page 12, Lines 292-293. We prefer not to include S2 Fig. in the manuscript due
to considerations of length and brevity. Indeed, as the variability of chair rotation
was homogeneous across conditions and age groups, that table would not add a significant
amount of information to the global distribution of the actual amplitude (Figure 3).
R: Line 317
The authors written that vestibular information was always available while proprioception
was not during passive rotation. I'd like you to know the experimental situation of
passive rotation in more detail, such as whether it was done in the dark room or the
participants were presented some visual information.
A: Thank you for touching on this important point. We have added more detail to the
Experimental Task section of the manuscript (see Lines 24-259) to describe the characteristics
of the passive rotation in more detail. Ultimately, the presentation of visual information
and darkness of the room varied across experimental conditions, but these factors
were consistent for both the passive and active rotation within conditions. For example,
in the R_P condition, the room was completely dark and thus no visual information
was available during both the passive rotation and the active rotation.
We have clarified the whole section; see below for the revised version:
“We adopted a self-turn paradigm in which the experimenter rotates the chair a certain
degree (passive rotation) from a start position to an end position. After each passive
rotation, participants were asked to rotate back to the start position (active rotation).
The position at which the participant stopped their active rotation is recorded as
the return position. During the passive rotation, participants sat still and kept
their feet on a footrest which rotated with the chair. To perform the active rotations,
participants could use their feet on the still platform under the chair to move themselves.
Within a given experimental condition, during both the encoding (passive rotation)
and the recall (active rotation) phase, all sensory information were consistent. During
the recall phase, proprioception derived from the active movement was involved in
performing the active rotation and recalling the start position. This constitutes
the accuracy measure in our task, in line with the extant literature (43-45). We did
not manipulate vestibular information, which was consistent across all experimental
conditions. On the other hand, we manipulated vision across the three experimental
conditions as described in the following section.”
R: Line 348
The authors regard that proprioceptive information is not available in the visual
condition, in which they hided visual landmarks but presented the local visual information
only. However, I suppose that the proprioceptive information from the locomotor system
is always available when we actively rotate the chair. Please explain more light on
the logic why it becomes visual only condition without any proprioceptive information
when there is no visual landmarks.
A: Many thanks for this thoughtful comment. We describe the condition as “vision only”
because the visual information that was provided was proprioceptively uninformative
to perform the active rotation back to the starting point. We have now expanded on
the logic of this condition in the Conditions section of the manuscript as follows
(Lines 271-280):
“One visual condition limited the access to proprioceptively informative visual landmarks
(hiding the participants' body and the room corners) in order to disrupt proprioception,
while providing a proprioceptively uninformative visual texture (a pattern of small
bright clouds on the walls) (V). Indeed, after being disorientated by a passive rotation
in a real environment, people could still detect the position of global landmarks
(the room’s corners), while making huge errors locating surrounding objects [53].
Our intention was to disrupt proprioception through altering the visual information
available, without making changes to the proprioceptive information arising from participants'
body during the passive and active movements, which are consistent within participants”
The study referenced here (Wang & Spelke, 2000) indicates that global visual landmarks
such as the corners of a room may be considered to be informative visual landmarks
that contribute to a person’s ability to locate themselves in space, while other surrounding
objects were much less accurately located following disorientation (in Wang & Spelke,
these surrounding objects included a television and a pile of fabric; in our experiment,
the continuous pattern of clouds on the wall which were visible in the “only vision”
condition can be considered as surrounding objects). As such, our condition does not
purport that proprioceptive information is “not available”, but rather that it is
disrupted through the process of obscuring visual landmarks (the room’s corners, the
participant’s body).
With respect to locomotion, the action through which the body as a whole moves through
space, it would be expected that if locomotor information were available during the
active rotation of the chair, this would be consistent across conditions given that
an active rotation of the chair was made in every condition. As we now state in the
manuscript, our intention was to disrupt proprioception through altering the visual
information available, without making changes to locomotor information between conditions.
We believe that this would have been the case, given that while conditions varied
in the amount of visual and proprioceptive information that could be reliably used,
they were consistent in providing a passive rotation away from the start point performed
by the experimenter and an active turn back to the estimated start point performed
by the participant.
R: Reviewer #2: This is a very neatly designed study investigating how proprioceptive
accuracy on a self turn task can be augmented by immersive virtual reality. Here,
the authors found that younger children were less accurate than older children and
adults on this task and made more proprioceptive errors. Additionally, proprioceptive
errors increased when vision was not available, thus the authors suggest that proprioceptive
is very reliant on visual information. It is heartening to see that the authors also
address the limitations of their study; these do not detract from the importance of
not only the findings of the current experiment, but investigations more broadly in
the field of research.
A: We thank the reviewer for this accurate summary of our manuscript.
R: As I am not an expert in Bayesian analyses, it is tricky for me to comment in detail
on the analysis method used in this paper. However, it is explained clearly and logically
and appears sound.
Major comments:
1. Please report the results from the ICCs when mentioning them in the video coding
section (they are initially mentioned and then not described until very much later
on). It makes sense to move these stats to when they are mentioned in the coding section.
A: Thank you very much for your thoughtful review and for this sensible comment. You
are absolutely correct and we have now reported the ICCs in the coding section (“Measures
of task performance”) where they are initially mentioned (see Lines 330-337).
R: 2. The authors mention that due to the chair being turned manually by the experimenter,
there is some variability in the end position of the chair. Is there a way to control
for this in the analyses? How much did this vary between trials/participant/researchers?
Make clear how many researchers acted as this experimenter (if one, there should not
be a huge amount of variability across participants as the same researcher is conducting
this aspect of the experiment, but if two or more researchers were completing this
aspect of the study, this would potentially introduce more variability in the experiment).
Also, make clear if this variability is not a big deal; perhaps restate what you are
measuring (and how you are doing this) very briefly after explaining if/why the variability
does not matter so much
A: Many thanks for this important comment. Each rotation began at the previous end
position, so there was variability in the end position of the chair due to the variability
in rotation amplitude. However, as seen in S2 Fig. (now added to the Supplemental
Materials), the amplitude of turns was relatively consistent across conditions and
groups, generally falling around 90 degrees for the planned smaller rotations and
around 180 degrees for the planned larger rotations. We included these two approximate
rotation distances in order to control for a possible learning effect (e.g. if participants
were continually required to perform turns of exactly 90 degrees, they may simply
become adept at reproducing this angle regardless of the experimental manipulation).
Moreover, amplitude was analysed as a continuous variable so we could see how the
amplitude could have affected performance. The way that amplitude may affect performance
was not a main hypothesis of this experiment, although we agree that stricter control
of amplitude could be a useful addition to future studies in this field which are
more concerned with this variable (see also response to Reviewer 1).
We have now clarified in the manuscript that two experimenters performed the experiment
at any given time, and used the labels “Experimenter 1” and “Experimenter 2” to clarify
their roles. Overall, five experimenters were involved in the running of this experiment.
As mentioned in the manuscript, all experimenters were trained to keep a continuous
velocity in performing the angle and rotation. However, it is true that there were
potentially differences in performance between experimenters, but as indicated in
S2 Fig., Supplemental Materials, this variability did not differ widely across groups
and conditions. Furthermore, it is important to note that this possibility was another
factor in our decision to analyse amplitude as a continuous variable.
R: 3. The authors mention their data is non-normally distributed and positively skewed,
please could they also report skewness values and normality test results (in addition
to normality plots) in the SM. Was there a rationale for not normalising this dataset?
Please state clearly.
A: We thank the reviewer for raising this issue as it allows us to clarify and discuss
an important strength of the statistical approach adopted in the analysis. We decided
to use Generalized Linear Models (GLMs) instead of transforming the data to properly
model the characteristics of our dependent variable. GLMs allow us to model the dependent
variable, specifying an appropriate probability distribution that reflects the characteristics
of the data, rather than transforming the data to meet statistical assumptions (Fox,
2016; Lo & Andrews 2015; Ng & Cribbie 2017). Data transformation does not guarantee
a simultaneous correction for both skewness and heteroscedasticity, whereas GLMs allow
us to model non-normally distributed data by using more appropriate distributions.
This results in a better fit to the data and, in turn, provides more reliable results.
To clarify this point (why GLMs were used instead of transforming the data), we added
the following lines to the Statistical Approach section:
(Lines: 350–360)
“Thus, participants were treated as random effects, with random intercepts that account
for interpersonal variability, while the other variables are considered as fixed effects.”
“Generalized mixed-effects models were used considering the Gamma distribution, with
logarithmic link function, as the probability distribution of the dependent variable.
Generalized mixed-effects models allow to model non-normally distributed data using
appropriate probability distributions that reflect the characteristics of the data
[49]. Selecting an appropriate probability distribution provides better fit to the
data and more reliable results[50].”
“Gamma distribution is advised in the case of positively skewed, non-negative data,
when the variances are expected to be proportional to the square of the means [51].”
With respect to the suggestion of reporting skewness values and normality test results
in the SM, we agree that the skewness value is a useful point of information to quantify
the asymmetry of the data distribution. Therefore, we have added the skewness value
in the SM on page 8 when observed data were presented. However, with respect to the
normality test, we prefer to stress the theoretical and methodological reasons underpinning
why we considered the dependent variable as non-normally distributed. The dependent
variable (i.e., rotation error) was defined as the absolute difference between the
start position and the return position in the self-turning task, thus, only positive
values are possible. This consideration per se is sufficient to exclude the normal
distribution from the possible probability distributions to represent the data. In
fact, normal distribution support includes all real numbers, but in our case negative
values are impossible. To correctly describe the data, we need a distribution with
only positive support; in our case the Gamma distribution. In this case, adding normality
test results is not necessary. Instead, we prefer to stress the importance of selecting
an appropriate distribution on the basis of theoretical and methodological considerations.
As reported above, we explain this decision within the “Statistical approach” section
of the manuscript (Lines: 350–360).
R: 4. Split Table 3 in SM by age group (i.e. number of observations by age group)
A: Thank you for this comment. S3 Table in the Supplemental Materials contains the
number of observations by age group (adult, middle, young), as suggested by the reviewer.
R: 5. How was the amplitude score standardised? Z scored? Please state clearly
A: We thank the reviewer for reporting this unclear passage in the text. Amplitude
scores were standardized by subtracting the mean value from the raw scores and dividing
for the standard deviation. Thus, the reviewer is correct that we obtained Z scores.
We have added this information in the article to make it clear.
(Lines 397-398)
“To obtain interpretable results in the analyses, the Amplitude variable was standardized
(i.e., Z scores were obtained)”
We would like to clarify that Amplitude was standardized to optimize model computation
and to improve interpretability of the results. Standardizing a variable does not
change the shape of the original distribution of data.
R: 6. How did you come to the results on pg 18 before the model comparison section?
Please state clearly the tests used, write out in full APA style, with Bonferroni
corrections (if used).
A: We thank the reviewer for reporting this mistake. In the text, the reported values
are the descriptive statistics of the observed data, but we wrongly presented them
as “… the marginal effect of…”. This leads the reader to think that they are the results
of some tests, but actually we are only presenting descriptive statistics of the observed
data according to the different variables. To avoid this misunderstanding we rephrased
the paragraph as follows:
(Lines 409-417):
“Considering the observed values according to Age, adults (M = 12.8, SD = 4.4) made
less self-turn errors than older children (M = 16.4, SD = 7.5) and young children
(M = 25.3, SD = 7.7). Looking at the Environment conditions, participants made less
errors and were thusly more accurate in the reality condition (M = 13.9, SD = 8.0)
than in the IVR condition (M = 20.2, SD=10.3). Finally, considering the different
levels of the variable Perception, participants made less self-turn errors when they
could rely on both vision and proprioception (M = 13.9, SD= 11.3) than when they could
use only vision (M = 14.5, SD= 9.3) or proprioception (M = 22.8, SD= 14.1).”
R: Minor comments:
Pg 4, lines 63-63: “in a broader age ranges” should be “in a broader range of ages”
A: Thank you for pointing out this error. This has now been corrected in the manuscript.
R: Pg 4, line 66: “…size, shape, relative location and dynamic.” – word missing?
A: Thank you for this comment. We have removed the unclear word “dynamic”.
R: Pg 9, line 208-9 “across the human developmental trajectory” – this phrasing is
a little strange
A: Thank you for pointing this out. This has been changed to read “across the lifespan”.
R: Throughout: be consistent with using ‘a’ or ‘an’ before ‘HMD/head mounted device’.
A: Thank you for this helpful comment; we have now made the use of “a head mounted
device” and “an HMD” consistent throughout the manuscript. Guidance from the APA Style
Blog (6th Edition) dictates that acronyms take “a” or “an” according to how they are
pronounced (“a” for consonant sounds, “an” for vowel sounds), not their spelling.
As such, we use “a head mounted device” because “head” starts with a consonant sound.
For “HMD”, which begins with a vowel sound (“aitch em dee”), we accordingly use “an”.
See the following post from the APA Style Blog, written by Jeff Hume-Pratuch and titled
“Using "a" or "an" With Acronyms and Abbreviations”, for details:
https://blog.apastyle.org/apastyle/2012/04/using-a-or-an-with-acronyms-and-abbreviations.html
R: Participants section: put demographic information in a table, with age range, M
and SD and gender split
A: Thank you for this useful suggestion. We have now added the demographic information
in Table 1.
R: Throughout: consider using gender neutral pronouns e.g., “they” rather than “he/she”
A: Many thanks for this very helpful comment; we have now changed instances of “he/she”
to “they” in the manuscript.
R: Throughout: avoid using bullet points in the text. Consider using numbers or put
in a table etc
A: We appreciate this suggestion, thank you. We have now removed bullet points from
the manuscript. We describe participants’ demographic features with Table 1 and the
conditions with a numbered list.
R: Pg 18, line 468: ‘marginalized over the variable…’ – I’m not sure I understand
what this means?
A: We apologise to the reviewer for using a misleading term. In this case “marginalisation”
is not appropriate. We actually computed the descriptive statistics without taking
into account the variable Amplitude. That is, to compute mean self-turn error and
standard deviation according to Age, Environment, and Perception, we considered all
the observations independently of the Amplitude values. We have corrected this point
in the text as follows:
Lines (405-409)
“For the sake of interpretability, descriptive statistics were computed according
to Age, Environment, and Perception, without taking into account the variable Amplitude
(i.e., all observations in the same condition were considered independently of the
Amplitude values), which will be considered later on in the analysis.”
R: Table 3, 4, 5: indicate which effects are significant with *
A: We thank the reviewer for this note. We imagine that the reviewer suggested this
to facilitate the reading of the tables and to easily identify relevant effects. However,
the classical definition of a “significant” effect is rather problematic within a
Bayesian framework.
In a Bayesian framework, there is no significance testing, so no p-values are computed
to evaluate if effects are significant. On the contrary, the Bayesian approach evaluates
which are the most plausible values of the model parameters according to the data
and the prior distributions. In a Bayesian analysis, results are in the form of posterior
distributions that quantify the uncertainty about the quantities of interest. From
the posterior distributions, it is possible to compute the Bayesian Credible Intervals
(BCIs) which represent a given portion (e.g., 95%, but it is an arbitrary choice)
of the most likely values. Thus, for the sake of interpretability, an effect could
be considered plausible if the value zero (or a given value of interest) is not included
in this range of values. This procedure could be erroneously considered similar to
the classical significance testing approach but actually its implications and interpretations
are different. Among others, the Bayesian approach does not imply the dichotomous
thinking about “significant” and “not significant” values typical of the Null Hypothesis
Significance Testing (NHST) approach, but it allows us to think about phenomena in
terms of the magnitude of evidence that supports the existence of an effect (Ortega
& Navarrete, 2017). Dichotomous decision making is not meant to be the goal of Bayesian
approach, where the emphasis is on the full information provided by the continuous
posterior distribution (Kruschke & Liddell, 2018; Wasserstein, Schirm, & Lazar, 2019).
Therefore, the distinction between presence/absence of an effect is done only to facilitate
the discussion of the results, and readers should consider the full information provided
by the posterior distributions represented in the graphs. To avoid the possibility
that the readers would consider the results in terms of “statistically significant
results”, we prefer to not report * in the tables.
Reviewer #3: MAJOR POINTS
R: In general the ms is very long, and would benefit from some editing. E.g. way too
much detail on ordering conditions.
A: Thank you for providing this constructive review and for this comment. We appreciate
that the original manuscript is very long and we have now removed detail on the condition
order and throughout the manuscript in other places. Overall, during this review process,
the manuscript has been reduced by 1.642 words and some tables have been moved to
the Supplemental Materials.
R: In the intro, I appreciate your attempt to carefully compare the senses and have
no problem with you defining proprioception as the perception of the body posture,
rather than as information which comes through particular sensory channels (from muscles
& joints). But you are not consistent about it. Thus we have “proprioception belongs
to the somatosensory system” (channel-specific); followed by discussion of visuo-proprioceptive
info (focussed on the object of perception); and then back to “proprio is combined
with info from the vestibular system.. and the visual system (channel-specific)”.
The whole hypotheses section also uses the terms “vision” and “proprioception” in
a “channel” way. Please just be consistent. And I think introducing some terminology
about ‘sensory channels’ or ‘sense organs’ might help.
A: Thank you for pointing to the possible confusion with this discussion of proprioception.
Notably, the definition of proprioception is hugely debated in the extant literature,
with different theories, authors, and papers often referring to different aspects
and conceptualisations of it. Our idea here was that, just like any other sense, proprioception
is influenced by the information coming from other sensory channels in multisensory
integration. We do indeed describe proprioception as perception of body posture and
movement, which results in a representation of the body in space. To avoid any confusion,
we have now clarified that this perception/representation is formed by the information
sent via body-based somatosensory proprioceptors – muscles and joints. However, we
clearly state that the focus is on multisensory processes, exploring how proprioception
is affected by the visual environment when vision is available. We believe that this
should explain our perspective on proprioception as a distinct sensory channel when
we talk about proprioceptive information, whereas the resulting perception can take
different forms of complex body awareness depending on the reliability of sensory
cues involved. Therefore, in the hypotheses section, proprioception is discussed as
a specific sensory channel which can, for example, be coupled with vision (in our
VP condition) or function independently (in our P condition).
To describe the role of different visual cues on calibrating proprioception, we introduced
the term “proprioceptively informative/uninformative”. See this excerpt from the
manuscript (Lines 28-38):
“While humans rely on somatosensory information to achieve proprioception in blind
conditions, vision can lead to proprioception when proprioceptively informative cues
are provided. Indeed, specific visual cues can be considered to be proprioceptively
informative to the extent that they aid proprioception. For example, research concerning
mirror therapy for phantom limb pain indicates that visual representations of the
body (e.g. the lost limb) can be manipulated to induce proprioceptive sensations and
perception of movement, touch, and body ownership, even with a complete absence of
somatosensory input [7]. Moreover, self-motion studies show that global visual landmarks
such as the corners of a room appear to be useful for proprioception, while local
visual cues such as surrounding objects [7] or homogeneous visual textures and patterns
[8] are not.”
R: Have you done a power analysis? Relatedly – did you have enough trials per condition
to find effects in the inevitably noisy children’s data?
A: Many thanks for putting forward this question. However, the present study did not
aim to evaluate specific hypotheses but was intended to explore possible relations.
As such, we did not complete a power analysis before undertaking this experiment for
several reasons. First and foremost, due to the small number of experiments previously
conducted in this area, we did not have a good sense of the effect size we might expect.
Quantifying the effect size was particularly difficult given the number of complex
interactions we explored in this work. This was, first and foremost, an exploratory
study in which we aimed to establish some base findings in the area of proprioceptive
accuracy in an IVR- and reality-based task at different developmental stages. Our
final sample included 13 younger children, 13 older children, and 23 adults. We took
guidance from studies in this area in the past which have drawn informative results
from smaller pools of participants. For example, in studying the ability to remember
the relative location of target objects in real-world, desktop-delivered, and HMD-delivered
IVR environments, Lathrop & Kaiser (2002) included eight adult participants. In a
study that was very influential in the development of our own, Petrini, Caradonna,
Foster, Burgess, & Nardini (2016), in which participants were required to reproduce
a path they had learned in darkness, in a virtual room, or having been shown a pre-recorded
version of the walk in a virtual room without moving, there were 18 adult and 15 child
participants. The lack of a power analysis can be considered as a limitation of this
study, but the exploratory nature of the study is declared in the abstract and stressed
several times in the article to prevent readers from drawing strong conclusions. These
exploratory results can now be used together with other sources of information (i.e.,
other studies’ results or experts’ indications) to define more accurate hypotheses
and plan future confirmatory studies in this promising area of research, as suggested
in the conclusions.
We included two trials per condition in order to keep the experiment sufficiently
short for the younger participants, some of whom were only four years old. As our
results indicate, it was possible to see differences between the age groups in this
experiment.
R: By the end of the section ‘experimental task’ I have understood that you moved
them round and had them re-find that position – but I have not understood the various
sensory conditions eg IVR on or off, and the point of the markings on the room walls.
Put the design/ conditions bit earlier, and clearly state the design. The vision condition
is poorly described. Why is it called vision is it seems to be all about removing
access to vision? I think you mean that features weren’t visible but optic flow was
available through bright, nonspecific markings??
A: Many thanks for pointing out the potential confusion in this section. We have added
detail to this section to clarify what was happening in each sensory condition (see
also the response to Reviewer 1). You are correct in asserting that in the “vision
only” condition, global features of the room (e.g. the room’s corners, the door, the
participant’s own body) were not visible, but optic flow was available thanks to the
inclusion of a continuous visual pattern of many glowing clouds on the walls. This
can be seen in Figure 2b. This condition is called “V” in order to distinguish it
from the other two conditions, “P” and “VP”. The “VP” condition allows accurate, reliable
visual and proprioceptive input. The “P” condition removes vision entirely (the participant
is blind, moving in complete darkness), allowing them to rely only on proprioception.
In contrast, while we limited access to some visual information in the “V” condition,
this was done in order to disrupt proprioception such that the visual information
which was available was the only reliable sensory input. This explanation has been
developed further in the manuscript from the original version we submitted in order
to make this clearer, and to clarify the use of the HMD (and subsequent IVR) in each
condition.
We have endeavoured to make the “V” condition clearer by using the description “visual
texture” to describe the information provided. This refers to the visual texture of
the pattern of clouds on the walls which moves through the visual field as a consequence
of the participant’s movement. In our case, the visual texture of surrounding clouds
on the walls moves as a consequence of participant’s movement. The “V” condition is
designed to comprise “only vision” as it provides only proprioceptively uninformative
visual information in the form of this texture, without visual information about the
position of the body, for example. We define what is proprioceptively uninformative
based on the literature described in the manuscript.
MINOR POINTS
R: Vestibular info is key to the study but barely mentioned in the intro.
A: Thank you for this comment. Vestibular information was a component of this experimental
task but not one that we manipulated or addressed in this study. The vestibular information
available to participants did not vary across conditions, and we were not interested
to manipulate or assess vestibular information in this work. As such, we have added
some information to clarify the relevance of vestibular information in the Experimental
Task section, as follows (Lines 256-259):
“We did not manipulate vestibular information, which was consistent across all experimental
conditions. On the other hand, we manipulated vision across the three experimental
conditions as described in the following section.”
R: Can you spell out more clearly how you arrive at your predictions from previous
results (eg according to ref 30, IVR is more disruptive for kids, not adults?).
A: Many thanks for this important comment; we would be happy to expand on and clarify
our thought process. The reference 30 study (Adams, Narasimham, Rieser, Creem-Regehr,
Stefanucci, & Bodenheimer, 2018) found that the post-exposure effects of an IVR environment
lasted longer for 8 - 12 -year-old children than for 15 - 18-year-old adolescents.
The task in that experiment was a throwing task, where participants had to throw an
object to a target under normal conditions, then with vision manipulated so the participant’s
view was offset, and then under normal conditions again to see how long it took participants
to recalibrate to the real, unadjusted environment. Although they recalibrated quickly,
the younger group took longer to adapt back to their baseline performance, potentially
because, as suggested by the authors, their visuo-motor system is not yet fully developed.
In the context of our experiment, we found it interesting that the Adams et al. (2018)
study indicates that the mismatch between visual and proprioceptive information in
the visually manipulated condition seemed to have more enduring effects on younger
children. As we suggest in our paper, we think this study provides evidence that younger
children (more than adolescents or adults) could show a more enduringly affected motor
performance following training in IVR, given that the effects of IVR last longer for
them (they are slower to recalibrate to the “real world” environment after IVR manipulation).
The referenced study didn’t play a major role in formulating our hypotheses, but it
did provide an important piece of evidence that different age groups may be differently
affected by IVR, and that it is necessary to shed more light on how age might affect
one’s interactions with IVR.
We rephrased the manuscript as follows (lLines 97-104)
“As with adults in previous studies [27-28], children and adolescents showed the ability
to recalibrate in a few minutes. However, children re-adapted to reality significantly
more slowly than adolescents, demonstrating more pronounced post-exposure effects.
These findings indicate that the motor performance of children, more so than adolescents,
could be driven by vision and modified by IVR. As different age groups may be differently
affected by IVR, it is necessary to shed light on how age might affect one's interaction
with this technology.”
R: I haven’t come across WAIC weights before – can you explain a little more?
A: Our sincere thanks for the interest in this technical aspect. WAIC can be considered
as the corresponding Bayesian version of the commonly used AIC (Akaike Information
Criterion). To simplify, WAIC values can be interpreted as the average error made
by the models in predicting new observations. Thus, models with lower WAIC values
(i.e., smaller errors) are preferred to models with higher WAIC values (i.e., greater
errors). WAIC values cannot be considered in absolute terms but only compared to other
WAIC values of different models. As such, results are always relative to the set of
models considered in the analysis. It is possible to say that a model is the best
one among a set of candidate models, but it is not possible to say that that model
is absolutely the best one. There could always be another better model that was not
yet considered.
However, it is difficult to understand how much a model is better than another only
from WAIC values. To allow readers to better interpret the results, WAIC weights are
usually presented. WAIC weights sum to 1, so they are interpreted as “an estimate
of the probability that the model will make the best predictions on new data, conditional
on the set of models considered” (McElreath, 2016, p.199).
To compute the WAIC weights, firstly, for each model the difference between the WAIC
values of the worst model (i.e., greater WAIC) and its WAIC value is computed. Then,
relative likelihood of each model with respect to the worst model is computed by taking
the exponential of half of the difference previously computed (i.e., exp(diff_WAIC
/ 2)). Finally WAIC weights are computed by dividing the relative likelihood of each
model by the sum of all the relative likelihoods previously computed. A slightly different
but equivalent formula is presented by McElreath (2016, p.199; difference is given
by the fact that in the formula the author used the difference between WAIC model
values with the lowest WAIC value and not the difference between the highest WAIC
value with WAIC model values).
We thank the reviewer for the interest, but we think that it is not appropriate to
include such a detailed explanation in the article. The definition of WAIC weights
was already reported in the statistical approach section of the article to allow readers
to interpret the results, whereas their computation with all the steps was presented
in the SM. Readers looking for more detailed information should refer to the relevant
literature reported in the article. The reviewer should also consider that there is
an extensive Supplemental Materials section that could be used for further clarification.
In case, if the reviewer and the editor think that there is the need to include some
clarification in the main text we are happy to do it.
R: The analyses seem sound but I am not in a position to make really detailed judgment
on them.
A: Thank you for this comment. We appreciate that the analyses will not be the focus
of this article and for this reason we have included and extended the Supplemental
Materials for a more specialistic analysis. Nevertheless, we hope that they can still
be enough informative in the manuscript.
R: You should probably cite literature on balance development e.g. Woollacott, Assainte
& more recent ones.
A: Many thanks for this insightful comment. We are familiar with the interesting literature
on balance development put forward by Woollacott, Assainte, Amblard, and others. Balance
was a consideration in our experiment, and one of several reasons for our choosing
a seated paradigm rather than a standing rotation. With the inclusion of this seated
paradigm, we expect that any potential effects of balance would be minimised. Although
we assume that more research is also needed into the parallel development of vestibular
and proprioceptive systems and their integration, in this study, our aim was to concentrate
on the development of proprioception by considering its integration with vision.
Reviewer #4:
R: This manuscript reports an interesting and innovative work on virtual reality and
the development of multisensory integration. This study is a first step towards the
understanding of these integration processes and their interactions with virtual reality
across the life span. I believe that this topic is of interest to a broad audience
of scientists and the general public.
I truly enjoyed the reading and, not being an expert in Bayesian analysis, I have
highly appreciated the step-by-step description of the method - however I won’t be
able to comment on the appropriateness of this section.
A: We deeply thank the Reviewer for the appreciation of our work
R: Overall, I find the manuscript logic and well structured, however there is room
for improvement in clarity in a few places. Here below my suggestions for improving
the manuscript:
Introduction
1. The first para of the intro is not entirely clear. Double check for grammar and
writing style.
A: Thank you very much for your insightful review and for this helpful comment. We
do see now that the original first paragraph could use some work, and we have thusly
changed it to (Lines 2-14):
“From the earliest stages of life, we develop physically, psychologically, and socially
through the interaction between our genes and the environment. We experience this
environment via sensory information which comes from both the external world (exteroception)
and the self (interoception). Exteroception describes sensory information which comes
from the environment around us (e.g. sight, hearing, touch), while interoception is
the perception of our body and includes “temperature, pain, itch, tickle, sensual
touch, muscular and visceral sensations, vasomotor flush, hunger, thirst” and other
sensations (p. 655 [1]). This information, which comes from different, complementary
sensory modalities, has to be integrated so that we can interact with and learn from
the environment. The multisensory integration that follows takes time to develop and
emerges in a heterochronous pattern: we rely on the various sensory modalities to
different degrees at different points in the human developmental trajectory, during
which the sensory modalities interact in different ways [2].”
R: 2. Unclear/inaccurate what “Synchronous multisensory stimulation creates proprioception”
means. Consider an alternative term to ‘creates’ (p.3).
A: Many thanks for this comment which we very much agree with. As we were reducing
the length of the paper in accordance with the other reviewers’ suggestions, this
topic was no longer centrally relevant, so this line has now been removed altogether.
R: 3. Define IVE, IVR and IVR environment. Differences and similarities among these
terms are not immediate. Make sure the terms are used appropriately throughout.
A: Thank you very much for this important comment. We have now used only “IVR” throughout
the paper and Supplemental Materials document for the sake of clarity and consistency.
R: 4. Use abbreviations consistently, e.g. throughout the text both IVR and immersive
virtual reality are used.
A: Thank you for pointing this out. We have now used IVR consistently after the original
use of “immersive virtual reality”.
R: 5. While I appreciate the practical implications of the developmental IVR works
(p.6), I am unsure whether the introduction is a good place for laying them down.
Consider to integrate these in the discussion instead.
A: Many thanks for providing this interesting comment. We have rephrased this sentence
and moved it to the Discussion, where it now reads (Lines 558-560):
“Increased knowledge in this area could have meaningful implications for fields such
as IVR education, rehabilitation, and therapy, shedding light on when and how IVR
interventions could be effective at different developmental stages.”
R: 6. Consider editing the first part of the sentence “Without going into philosophical
reasons, ..” (l.188, p.8).
A: Thank you for providing this comment. We have now removed this phrasing from the
paper altogether.
R: 7. Consider replacing ‘ingredients’ with ‘components’ (l.194, p.8).
A: Our sincere thanks for this helpful suggestion. We have now replaced “ingredients”
with “components” as suggested and agree that it is a more appropriate term.
R: Methods
1. l.236, p.8; the text refers to section 2.2, but there doesn’t appear to be a numbering
format in the manuscript.
A: Thank you very much for pointing this out. You are correct, and we have now accordingly
removed this reference to a numbered section.
R: 2. The justification of the adult sample is slightly controversial. The age range
in this study is 18-45 years. The authors add that older adults are excluded because
evidences suggest deterioration of proprioceptive accuracy from age 40. Why then the
sample includes adults up to 45 and not up to 40?
A: Many thanks for offering this chance for us to clarify further our choice of age
range for the adult sample. As described in the Participants section of the paper,
we chose our age range based on papers which reported a deterioration of proprioceptive
accuracy beginning in middle age. The papers we cited offered slightly different judgements
of the specific age at which proprioceptive accuracy begins to decline. Hurley, Rees,
and Newham (1998) found that proprioceptive acuity began to decline from middle age,
which in their sample ranged from 50 to 64 years. Wingert, Welder, and Foo (2014)
found that proprioceptive error increased with age, such that middle-aged adults (in
their sample ranging from 40 to 64 years) showed significantly higher errors in joint
position sense (a component of proprioception) than younger adults. However, these
results are not as clear as those with older adults (in their mid-sixties and older),
which show clear and consistent decreases in proprioceptive accuracy (Ingemanson,
Rowe, Chan, Wolbrecht, Cramer, & Reinkensmeyer, 2016; Lee, Kwon, Son, Nam, & Kim,
2013; Pai, Rymer, Chang, & Sharma, 1997).
Given that age is a key variable in our experiment, we wanted to remove the possibility
that age-related differences in proprioceptive accuracy might affect results within
the adult group. Given the evidence that these differences can begin at 40 (Hurley
et al., 1998) or 50 (Wingert et al., 2014), we chose to take an average age value
of these two conservative studies and limit our age range to 45 years. We accept that
this justification rests on a small body of literature, but we feel that it is important
to control this variable while still allowing for the inclusion of a reasonable age
range of adult participants.
R: 3. State how the sample size was determined.
A: Thank you for this comment. We refer here to our response to Reviewer #3: “Due
to the small number of experiments previously conducted in this area, we did not have
a good sense of the effect size we might expect. Quantifying the effect size was particularly
difficult given the number of complex interactions we explored in this work. This
was, first and foremost, an exploratory study in which we aimed to establish some
base findings in the area of proprioceptive accuracy in an IVR- and reality-based
task at different developmental stages. Our final sample included 13 younger children,
13 older children, and 23 adults. We took guidance from studies in this area in the
past have drawn informative results from smaller pools of participants. For example,
in studying the ability to remember the relative location of target objects in real-world,
desktop-delivered, and HMD-delivered IVR environments, Lathrop & Kaiser (2002) included
eight adult participants. In a study that was very influential in the development
of our own, Petrini, Caradonna, Foster, Burgess, & Nardini (2016), in which participants
were required to reproduce a path they had learned in darkness, in a virtual room,
or having been shown a pre-recorded version of the walk in a virtual room without
moving, there were 18 adult and 15 child participants.”
R: 4. Make use of tables rather than bullet points for description of participants’
characteristics (p.10) and for conditions (p.15).
A: Many thanks for this suggestion. As suggested, we now make use of tables rather
than bullet points for description of participants’ characteristics (p.10). We have
used numbers for conditions which require a detailed description which could not fit
appropriately into a table (p.15).
R: 5. Refer to Experimenter 1 and Experimenter 2 in the description of the procedure.
I believe it will make the section clearer.
A: Thank you for this very useful comment. We have now done this in the manuscript.
R: 6. The meaning of the sentence ‘Proprioception has to be used only during recall
phase, emerging form the other sensory information’ (l. 321-322, p13) is unclear.
A: Our thanks for pointing out this unclear phrasing. This section has now been edited
and our reference to this information is as follows (Lines 249-255):
“During the passive rotation, participants sat still and kept their feet on a footrest
which rotated with the chair. To perform the active rotations, participants could
use their feet on the still platform under the chair to move themselves. Within a
given experimental condition, during both the encoding (passive rotation) and the
recall (active rotation) phase, all sensory information were consistent. During the
recall phase, proprioception derived from the active movement was involved in performing
the active rotation and recalling the start position.”
R: 7. At the beginning of the section ‘Conditions’ it seems like the word ‘blocks’
(l. 349 and l.351) is used to indicate two different things.
A: Thank you for this comment. We have removed the word “blocks” to avoid confusion
here and clarified what is meant in this section.
R: Results
1. In the Descriptives, state whether a third coder’s view was ever used, and if so
in which percentage.
A: Thank you very much for this suggestion. We have now included the percentage as
follows (Lines 323-329):
“Two independent evaluators coded the videos and entered the start and return positions
in the dataset. Values which were divergent for more than two degrees were a priori
considered disagreement values. That was the case for 82 out of 578 observations (14.2%).
A third coder examined the video records of the disagreement values to make the final
decision. In case of a disagreement value, the third coder’s value was used instead
of the value that differed most from the third coder’s value.”
R: 2. As anticipated, I’m not an expert in Bayesian analysis, however, can the authors
confirm that the sample size or the number of observations are appropriate for performing
7 different models?
A: Many thanks for raising this issue as it allows us to clarify an important point
of the statistical approach adopted in the analysis. In a model comparison approach
results are dependent on the data and the set of models considered (McElreath, 2016).
This may sound trivial, however, comparing different models has nothing to do with
multiple testing. In a model comparison approach, we try to explain the data observed
using different mathematical models that consider different variables and relations.
Models are compared using information criteria that evaluate the models’ ability to
predict new data penalizing for model complexity. This allows us to identify the models
that better describe the underlying data generative process, avoiding overfitting.
In multiple testing, to maintain the nominal level of Type-I error, the alpha value
has to be corrected for the number of tests. This requires an increased sample size
to maintain adequate power. On the contrary, the number of models per se does not
influence the results in a model comparison approach. The results are influenced by
which models are considered.
For example, let’s suppose we are interested in four models that reflect different
theoretical perspectives and we compare them. It could be that one model is notably
better than the others. However, these results are conditional on the set of models
considered; the selected model is not the absolute best model. New models could be
proposed that actually offer better results and we may realize that the “old best
model” was actually pretty bad.
Thus, in a model comparison approach, results depend on which models were considered
and not the number of models per se. This doesn’t mean that sample size plays a minor
role. As always, the larger the sample size, the more accurate and reliable the results
are. In a model comparison approach, small sample sizes may not allow us to differentiate
between different models. Equally good models could result because there are not enough
observations to evaluate differences. As explained in the response to Reviewer #3,
no power analysis was conducted given the absence of specific hypotheses or previous
results in the literature. This lack of previous literature on the topic can be seen
as a limitation of our work, and one of the main reasons to conduct this research
in an exploratory manner. We are confident that our sample was sufficient to shed
this first light on which of the models of interest was the most plausible based on
our results.
R: Finally, I’d recommend to check for typos throughout, e.g. l.510, p.21 (and), l.549,
p.22 (delete ‘but’), l.611, p.25.
A: Thank you very much for this comment. We have indeed proofed this manuscript thoroughly
for typos before this resubmission.
A: Our sincere thanks to the reviewers and to the editor for this constructive and
thoughtful review. We have made a concerted effort to revise the manuscript to address
the reviewers’ comments and are glad to return a more coherent and much improved paper.
Additional notes:
In the Supplemental Materials, both figures and tables are now labelled according
to PLOS norms. The Supplemental Materials we refer to within the manuscript are listed
in an appropriate section of the manuscript (Lines 620-629).
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