Peer Review History
Original SubmissionMay 4, 2023 |
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PONE-D-23-13584Roosters do not warn the bird in the mirror: The cognitive ecology of mirror self-recognitionPLOS ONE Dear Dr. Hillemacher, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. This is an interesting study that adds to the field of self recognition in animals. Although both reviewers provided very positive comments about the manuscript, they also raised issues regarding the background literature, interpretation and conclusions. The manuscript will also benefit from a thorough proof read to pick up on errors noted by both reviewers. It would also be useful to include the additional reference raised by reviewer 2, and the accompanying comments relating to the field and alternate interpretation of your results. Please submit your revised manuscript by Aug 05 2023 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 5. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: This is an important and well-executed study that adds to our understanding of the phenomenon of mirror self-recognition. Currently, the literature on mirror self-recognition - its phylogenetic distribution and meaning - is extremely complex and becoming more so. This study helps to dismantle some of the issues surrounding the mixed results in the literature and is an example of an extremely clever way to probe mirror self-recognition using an ecologically valid framework. Well done. There are only a couple of minor points. First, the writing needs to be edited and checked for grammar and spelling. Second, the authors state that other studies, e.g., the "olfactory mirror" studies done with dogs and wolves, are valid measures of self-recognition. But they are not. They are simple discrimination tests and do not rise to the level of showing self-awareness. This statement should be modified accordingly. Reviewer #2: This is a very nice study based on the natural behaviour of roosters to produce alarm calls when confronted with representations of aerial predators and utilising this knowledge to design an ecologically valid mirror test. It has been influenced by earlier studies on birds, but I was surprised that our own study using the re-caching behaviour of California (western) scrub-jays alone, when in private or in the presence of a mirror was not referenced, despite being the first to use a natural social behaviour as an index of behavioural differences between a social and mirror condition (Dally et al, 2010). I would therefore expect our study (details below) to be both referenced and discussed in the appropriate parts of the manuscript. Dally JM, Emery NJ & Clayton NS (2010). Avian theory of mind and counter espionage by food-caching western scrub-jays (Aphelocoma californica). European Journal of Developmental Psychology, 7(1), 17-37. Generally the current manuscript is clearly presented and well-written, but there are a few places where the text varies between current and past tense (lines 307, 317, 336) and there are a few spelling mistakes (line 317 'beginning', line 338 'mark test'), so I'd recommend that the authors take another pass over the manuscript to rectify these. I have the same issue with the results presented in Experiment 1 as I did with our own study and hence why it's only published in the obscure European Journal of Developmental Psychology and a number of years after we first completed it. We don't know that the absence of a behavioural response in reaction to a mirror is the result of recognising that the bird in the mirror is the viewer (i.e. "that is me") or a response to a strange conspecific which doesn't move like other birds and which is always looking at the viewer, thereby eliciting a muted response because it is strange. I still don't know the answer to this and I don't think it has been addressed here either. I think it is wise (and the authors have continued this approach), to say that it opens up the potential for self-recognition in the species being studied, but it certainly doesn't provide categorical evidence that the species recognises itself in the mirror. Neither does the classic mark test either, despite this idea being dispelled by its original author. I'm not sure I agree with the authors when they state they think it unlikely that the roosters' low reactivity to their mirror image is because they lack information in 2D about 3D stimuli, because roosters respond to the simple (silhouette) presentation of an aerial or ground predator because I would expect those two acts of perception to run on different cognitive systems. Antipredatory behaviour doesn't have the luxury of detailed computational assessment of a stimulus. Joseph LeDoux's work on the amygdala convincingly stressed two systems for assessing a threat work through the amygdala - an immediate assessment of danger allowing the animal to react quickly, even if the assessment is wrong - and a more calculated assessment that takes longer to process more complex information about the details of the stimulus, such as seeing a long, curvy shape moving in the grass, reacting as if it is a snake, but then see that it is actually a moving twine in the wind. Not reacting quickly if it was a predator could be the difference between life and death. As such, roosters are probably relying on the rapid threat assessment system to react to a silhouette of an aerial or ground predator quickly, so they can elicit an alarm call and make an escape. Just a couple of specific questions: It wasn't immediately clear how long each session was. I think 15min, but this could have been made a little clear. If so, does this mean that the roosters received a total of 1hr exposure to mirrors throughout the entire study (i.e. sessions 2, 3, 4 and 6)? This is quite brief. Even the initial studies in chimpanzees, they received many hours (I think 16, certainly overnight) of mirror exposure and their social responses gradually changed to self-directed responses over many hours. Do you think that you have provided the roosters with sufficient mirror exposure in order to see a difference? There was no real difference across mirror exposures in the limited time you provided, but this total may have been insufficient (especially when compared to other species). For own study, I believe we provided the scrub-jays with at least 14hr of mirror exposure before the study. I wonder about the efficacy of the dye used in the mark test. Figure 3 suggests that the mark may have been difficult to see. Do you have any evidence, either in this study or unrelated studies using the dye, that the roosters could actually perceive the dye? Again, the problem with an absence of evidence study is that you don't know whether your subject animals could actually see what you wanted them to see. For example, did you perhaps dye some of their food and then train them to only peck at dyed food, then present them with dyed and non-dyed food to see if they only pecked at the dyed food? I thought this was a great study and I would definitely like to see other studies like it. ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? 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