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Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English??> Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** Reviewer #1: General comments – I enjoyed reading this manuscript. A straightforward study processing simulated videos in different ways to calculate biodiversity metrics and compare them, to make some clear recommendations on post-processing for accurate measurements (e.g. 1 frame per second). In general, the study will be strengthened by situating the findings more in the relevant literature considering AI error rates and ecological metrics. I also think N = 10 videos per condition is a small number, although note the patterns between conditions do seem clear even with this sample size. Introduction - Nice intro motivating the need for underwater video surveys, and the necessity/application of AI processing. There is a reasonable link made between AI errors and downstream effects on biodiversity indices, but, the intro would significantly benefit from a clearer explanation of how errors arise and are handled. A few unclear sentences to be reworded. Line 50 – 53. Long sentence and a bit unclear. Add comma “without impact, but”. Can you clarify what is meant by structure vs. composition? Line 57. Community not communities Line 82 – Refer to this post-processing as thresholding to be consistent with the existing literature and expand on why this limits errors or cite a source which does so e.g. Improving the integration of artificial intelligence into existing ecological inference workflows - Cowans - Methods in Ecology and Evolution - Wiley Online Library which links AI error rates to ecological inference Line 89 – “The selected frame processing rate affects the number of images analyzed and hence the likelihood to detect all species for a given model performance.” – perhaps also add considerations of time/processing efficiency here. Lines 90 - 93 – This would be improved if you could clarify the types (false negative, false positive) and sources (animal missed, animal mislabelled) of errors here and how they relate to the processing rates. E.g.. “…because higher processing rates will risk missing more species whilst lower reduces false-negative error at the expense of increased computational time” Line 96 – “In more details”, reword to “In more detail” or “Specifically. …” Line 102-104 – “This metric is therefore very sensitive to detection because few frames have a maximum number of individuals but also to classification if misclassification occurs on the few important frames.” This sentence structure is a bit unclear. Line 106 – Reword “it appears that by combining fine model tuning with a wisely chosen post processing strategy, there is a potential for optimizing video treatment models to maximize efficiency and accuracy of biodiversity metrics, (i.e. quantifying the true number of organisms). Methods – Clear methodology described generally well – simulating 10 videos under different conditions and calculating biodiversity indices on the raw video (“manual”) vs. processed videos with different scenarios (“AI”) to compare differences. I do think 10 replicates per condition seems quite low and would like to see some justification for this. Line 117 – “case study” perhaps? Line 120-121 – a bit unclear. I think “contrasting abundance and temporal abundance variation” flows better Line 121 on – very long sentence with some typos. End after “… presence slots.” And reword the next section. Line 156 – I do think 10 replicates seems quite low. In most simulation studies testing model performance, we typically see N = 100 – 1000 replicate datasets per condition to reduce simulation error. However, I don’t know if this study restricted to N = 10 because videos are very expensive (computationally) to simulate? I’d like to see some justification for why 10 replicates (and not more). Line 163 – “was done using probability” – more specifics would be good here. Line 197 – change “we note” to “we assume”, to make it clear its an assumption involved in your simulation, unless it is a fact/result, in which case note is fine. 202 – reword “in an unsure class” to “to an unsure class”. I also think “uncertain” is a better word than unsure unless unsure is used to be consistent with the original paper of Villon et al 2020. 220 – delete eventually Results – interesting results, clearly presented although a bit wordy and would benefit from shorter sentences. Line 286 – 288 – long sentence makes results confusing to read, insert comma or break up Figures Good figures in general. They clearly show the benefits of post-processing thresholds by showing ground truth species diversity and richness appear to never be recovered regardless of fps and cla_acc in figure 1 (where no processing used I believe). What is cla_acc? I assume classification accuracy, but add to figure caption. Discussion – I appreciate the clear guidance in the start of the discussion on processing rates for detection. Line 365 – this section would benefit from an example of a reasonable processing rate when fast animals are not included Line 373 – when you mention 53 false positives it would be helpful to have a reminder here of the number of fish and the number of true positives for each condition. (53 / 10000 fish is low but 53 / 100 fish is high) Line 405 – when mentioning misclassification, it would be beneficial to provide some guidance on how to deal with these situations / correct biases e.g. misclassification models Line 450 – I now see you do comment on the above here, but it would still benefit from expanding on this in line 405 Reviewer #2: Overall comments: I think this is a really interesting contribution that stands to save other practitioners substantial time as they attempt to fine tune the implementation of their models in field settings. There are two points that I would like to see clarification on: 1- How the variations in community composition, time thresholds, etc were chosen for the video survey simulations. I would imagine that these factors could vary substantially depending on the community of interest; the authors say that they are “representative” of observed terrestrial and aquatic communities, but it would be helpful to understand what communities are being referenced to get a sense of how broadly applicable these really are. 2- Based on observational results I’m aware of, I would expect that there would be a tendency toward underestimation of species richness, contrary to the results in the simulation. The authors note that even in their best case model, overestimation of richness was driven largely by the false positives, which distributed classification errors evenly among classes due to the assumptions in their simulated models (line 390); in reality, these errors tend to be biased: more common classes have lower error than rare classes, and classes with particular characteristics are more likely to be confused with the background than others—which the authors note (395-405), but assume that this would still lead to a net overestimation. However, data from real world models demonstrate that model accuracy reductions lead to underestimations of species richness via omissions of rare classes (https://arxiv.org/pdf/2408.14348v1). Other assessments of model outputs show a disproportionate impact of confidence thresholding on rare classes, improving precision substantially but at a cost of recall (Willi et al: https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/2041-210X.13099). This point needs to be addressed in the discussion, if not in the fundamental model assumptions. Line notes: Abstract: 31- This sentence could use clarification—on my initial read, I believed that only the videos were simulated, not both the video and the deep learning pipelines 33- Include the relative precision and recall in this sentence—on initial read, it seemed self-evident that models that maximized recall would come at a cost of low precision; now I understand that this sentence actually refers to the model that maximizes both. 35- While raising confidence thresholds will remove false positives, it will also lead to false negatives… how is this threshold set? Only preserve classifications with 0.99 confidence? Intro: 55- “hence defaulting on the perspective to understand processes of changes” – please clarify, the wording is a bit awkward 71- I think it’s more appropriate to say that these are two of the primary tasks that computer vision models perform, among others (segmentation being a major third task, for instance) 74- The long tail problem is not exclusive to multiclass detectors, this is a generic problem for detection models generally. However, it is true that performance is improved by separating these tasks and removing unneeded/distracting context from classification (e.g., Gadot et al. 2024: https://doi.org/10.1049/cvi2.12318) As a side note, your citation in this line is not in the same format as the rest of your citations. 85- Deep learning is an umbrella term for a suite of approaches in artificial intelligence that attempt to mimic human learning capacity. Computer vision models are a major branch of deep learning but by no means the only one—generative networks, natural language processing etc are also deep learning. Methods 116- The phrasing is a bit awkward, I recommend renaming this section 117- citation? 128- Reference for how these were chosen? I can see these varying substantially among different animal communities; would it not make more sense to vary these systematically in a given range for each value so that these are more generalized? 171- How were the frames subsampled for the levels where not all frames were processed—the first frame in a sequence? Randomly chosen? 182- Do you mean that false negatives are ignored? 187- This doesn’t track with my experience of the behavior of detection models, false positives are often clustered/systematic due to the presence of some type of feature in the background that can be confused with an object of interest. I think it is worth noting. 194- This also does not track with the actual behavior of classification models. Rare classes will typically have a higher misclassification rate than common ones, and classes that have less visual differentiation from each other will have higher confusion rates than classes with more visual differentiation from each other. I can see how trying to mimic this behavior would both increase computational complexity due to the specific error magnitudes being somewhat idiosyncratic to each model depending on how it was trained and structured vs the real world distribution of species, but this will have an impact on understanding how your results transfer to applications and is worth addressing why this was done. Discussion 379- if this is true and the same objects in the background are consistently triggering as false positives, then could stationarity be used as a post processing check (assuming that the camera is static)? IE, checking the distribution of bounding boxes across frames and removing boxes using a threshold of size, /location/number of frames. I realize this goes beyond the scope of your present analysis, but it would be interesting to know if this has been attempted. 429- first pipeline/ second pipeline is a bit unclear here, it reads as if the moderate model with postprocessing had worse errors than the perfect detector with no postprocessing, but I think you intend to say the opposite? 444- This does track with other results from the literature which indicates that setting classification thresholds high does help accuracy generally, but particularly of rare classes (e.g., Willi et al: https://besjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/2041-210X.13099), but it comes at a cost of reducing recall. For some rare classes, this could result in nondetection—I think this needs to be addressed. 455—classification accuracy also tends to be lower in multiclass detectors, so it is recommended to separate these steps with the present technology (see previous reference to Gadot et al. 2024) ********** what does this mean? ). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No ********** [NOTE: If reviewer comments were submitted as an attachment file, they will be attached to this email and accessible via the submission site. Please log into your account, locate the manuscript record, and check for the action link "View Attachments". 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