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PONE-D-22-09411Neighbourhood effects on educational attainment. What matters more: exposure to poverty or exposure to affluence?PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Troost, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Please ensure you address all the comments raised by the reviewers, both on the methods and analysis presented in the paper, as well as in the framing of arguments, literature, and discussion of the work. Please submit your revised manuscript by Jun 24 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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(Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: Contribution: The paper compares the effects of exposure to neighbourhood affluence and poverty on educational attainment using Netherlands data. General comments: The paper is clear on its goal and relevance. I would recommend the authors to check the PLOS ONE template. If I am not mistaken, there is another standard format. Specific comments (Everything that I had to read again is included here, even the obvious parts.): [1] The introduction and the literature review are really clear on the relevance of the study, but I would recommend making them shorter. It felt too long, and too repetitive sometimes. [2] From "This gap is striking as patterns of socio-economic segregation in cities are largely driven by the residential choices of affluent households.", which gap is striking? Are the patterns driven by residential choices or papers/data can not isolate the residential choice factor? I would also add a reference here. [3] "better educated neighbours", not sure better is the right word here. [4] On Page 19, what this expression "(see for instance 19)" is referring? citation? [5] On the end of the introduction, I would recommend adding a summary of the results. The authors for instance say "we test if the exposure to the neighborhood context ...", why dont you add what you found? I do find relevant to restate the contributions on the end of the introduction. [6] From "This paper addresses the issue of the poverty paradigm in the literature specifically paying attention to the other side of the inequality coin: spatially concentrated affluence. " - would you say that there are only two sides? is it a coin? [7] What is your point here? : "The empirical nature of such papers, and the strict paper structure characteristic for the middle-range social studies, usually does not allow for extensive theoretical commentary about inequality. Nevertheless, the concepts used in these papers are based on a variety of competing approaches to class, status and inequality (for an early overview see 30), even if these inspirations are not immediately visible." - It felt unnecessary to me. [8] "won't show the same kind of assertiveness" - I would make this part more formal. [9] What are the theoretical assumptions? "The scale of spatial research should be chosen according to the theoretical assumptions of the study (50), and in our case we focus on relatively small-scale, social-interactive neighbourhood effects which would happen in neighbourhoods of about 200 households." [10] Can you position Table 1 in the same page? [11] What are the theoretical reasons? "We argued that there are theoretical reasons to believe that exposure to affluence might actually be more important as a predictor of educational attainment than exposure to poverty" [12] From "The main outcome of this paper is that the contextual effect of neighbourhood affluence is stronger than the effect of neighbourhood poverty. This confirms that affluence plays a crucial role in the spatial reproduction of inequalities." -> Confirms the educational attainment or the reproduction of inequalities? Which inequalities? [13] The images are not in a good resolution. Reviewer #2: # Neighbourhood effects on educational attainment. What matters more: exposure to poverty or exposure to affluence? # Summary This paper first argues that the existing literature on neighborhood effects on individual outcomes misses a large, longstanding theoretical concept: concentration of affluence. To do this, they first present a theoretical argument grounded in sociological and political theory. They then present results from an empirical study investigating the difference between measures of concentrated affluence and concentrated poverty on individual educational attainment using a series of linear regression models. The empirical results generally support the paper’s hypothesis in the context of the Netherlands. Overall, i enjoyed this paper and think the argument the authors are making is sound, and an important contribution to the conversation around quantiative studies of individual attainment, poverty, and spatial influence. The modeling, while simple, is a totally reasonable approach and the results are largely clear. Although the theoretical discussion could be re-structured, I really enjoyed it and applaud the authors for bringing this perspective to the literature. However, there are a number of things the authors could do to improve the paper further, particularly in the methods and analysis, that I would like to see. While most of my suggests are aimed at improving the clarity and rigor of the paper, not changing the paper entirely, I still recommend a major revision for this work. ## Strengths ### Theoretical framing I overall enjoyed the theoretical framing of the paper. It is absolutely true that the literature over-focuses on the opportunity hoarding and individual attributes approaches. I also like the small insights into the literature nestled throughout the paper, such as the argument that using categorical income measures makes researchers more likely to focus on poverty. ### Analysis I thought the k-nearest-neighbors approach was clever and was a good way of addressing heterogeneity in your dataset. The creation of the poverty and affluence variables was also very sensible. Results are straightforward and clear. ### Suggestions: intro, related work, background - The theoretical background section is actually an argument, rather than a neutral background. The authors should make this more clear by, for example, adding a sentence or two in the first paragraph of the theoretical section saying “In this section, we argue that the effects of concentrated affluence - It’s unclear to the reader how precisely the theoretical background fits in with the rest of the paper until the reader arrives at the “Current Study” section. The authors could make this more clear in the theoretical background. - Although the authors reference many spatial inequality studies, they could cite more and be in more in-depth conversation with their approaches for the reader’s benefit. - To address these comments, I think the theoretical and background section could be restructured to be more effective and clear. it is a combination of a critique of the existing literature and an overview of the theoretical processes the existing quantiative and spatial literature rests on. I suggest that the authors split these two goals apart into two sections. The first section could discuss explicitly recent quantitative work in the field in a more neutral manner. The second could use this grounding to critique the existing field while introducing the theoretical concepts that the paper leans on heavily. ### Suggestions: methods and analysis - Some of the spatial variable creation could be a little unclear to some readers. My understanding is that each individual in your dataset has a grid square assigned to them as their “home” location for each time period. Within each time period, for each subject, the authors gather data on the 200 nearest households from that year, and use this household data to compute the affluence and poverty metrics. If this is the case, the authors should make this a bit clearer. As it stands, it’s a bit unclear the relationship between the grid cells and households, and if KNN was run with grid cells or historical household data. - If spatial context is important for social interaction, etc., I’d like to see some measure of the average distance to different affluent or poor households included in the analysis. One example metric could be the mean geographic distance from grid cell to affluent households. These results may be more nuanced and reveal a bit more in terms of mechanism, which the authors are clearly interested in. - I would also like to see much more descriptive and analytical content aimed at the measures the authors calculated. The KNN measure over years of subjects’ lives is very interesting! I want to know how this measure changes over time for different individuals. What mediates those changes? Similarly, like chetty’s study, the authors could look at *changes* in these metrics to investigate their true impact. - Similarly, I would be interested in a model that just looks at these metrics at year 8 (2003). Are the effects and the rho similar? If so, the authors should include the framing of measuring early childhood environment to predict later outcomes. - I think the affluent and poverty variables may be correlated, because they are calculated as percentages of the same total. I’d like to see the authors address this either through diagnostic tests or in the text of the paper. - The authors do not present a “null” model without their spatial poverty and affluence concentration variables. I would like to see how much extra variance these variables contribute to the model. Without this measure of comparison, it’s hard to find the results very meaningful. - I found the argument for not doing a more complicated model a little weak, and confusing at times: - Does the explanation of “nested” individuals mean that there are many subjects who are “alone” in their cluster? If so, doesn’t this follow from the methods? Why would two individuals share the same KNN, unless they lived in the same grid cell? The authors should make this more clear. - The authors could define what they mean by “neighborhood” here—is it the statistical / political area, or the KNN you defined above? - I agree that a traditional multilevel model at the “neighborhood” level would likely be too complex here. But I do think the authors could include some fixed effects for general region if people are highly spatial distributed. For example, a fixed effect added for each “year x region” combination may be important. As it stands now, there are no general covariates controlling for other, unmeasured attributes of a region. ### Other Suggestions - you only mention chetty’s study in your conclusion, but they focused heavily on the impact of affluence on educational attainment. address that! - Although the paper is written well, there are, generally, some non-english-isms scattered throughout the paper which have made it a little hard to read as a native english speaker. The authors might consider getting a native english speaker to edit the work before publication for clarity. - Figure 1 should be re-labeled and re-rendered—it’s very fuzzy in the copy I received and having the titles and axes in more plain english would be helpful. - In the conclusion, the authors cite schelling differently than in the rest of the paper? ********** 6. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). 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PONE-D-22-09411R1Neighbourhood effects on educational attainment. What matters more: exposure to poverty or exposure to affluence?PLOS ONE Dear Dr. Troost, Thank you for submitting your manuscript to PLOS ONE. After careful consideration, we feel that it has merit but does not fully meet PLOS ONE’s publication criteria as it currently stands. Therefore, we invite you to submit a revised version of the manuscript that addresses the points raised during the review process. Whist both reviewers acknowledge an improvement in the submission, there are still a number of significant outstanding issues that need to be addressed raised by both reviewers. I encourage the authors to address all remaining comments in the revised submission. Please submit your revised manuscript by Dec 01 2022 11:59PM. If you will need more time than this to complete your revisions, please reply to this message or contact the journal office at plosone@plos.org. When you're ready to submit your revision, log on to https://www.editorialmanager.com/pone/ and select the 'Submissions Needing Revision' folder to locate your manuscript file. Please include the following items when submitting your revised manuscript:
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Kind regards, Federico Botta Academic Editor PLOS ONE [Note: HTML markup is below. Please do not edit.] Reviewers' comments: Reviewer's Responses to Questions Comments to the Author 1. If the authors have adequately addressed your comments raised in a previous round of review and you feel that this manuscript is now acceptable for publication, you may indicate that here to bypass the “Comments to the Author” section, enter your conflict of interest statement in the “Confidential to Editor” section, and submit your "Accept" recommendation. Reviewer #1: (No Response) Reviewer #2: (No Response) ********** 2. Is the manuscript technically sound, and do the data support the conclusions? The manuscript must describe a technically sound piece of scientific research with data that supports the conclusions. Experiments must have been conducted rigorously, with appropriate controls, replication, and sample sizes. The conclusions must be drawn appropriately based on the data presented. Reviewer #1: Partly Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 3. Has the statistical analysis been performed appropriately and rigorously? Reviewer #1: Yes Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 4. Have the authors made all data underlying the findings in their manuscript fully available? The PLOS Data policy requires authors to make all data underlying the findings described in their manuscript fully available without restriction, with rare exception (please refer to the Data Availability Statement in the manuscript PDF file). The data should be provided as part of the manuscript or its supporting information, or deposited to a public repository. For example, in addition to summary statistics, the data points behind means, medians and variance measures should be available. If there are restrictions on publicly sharing data—e.g. participant privacy or use of data from a third party—those must be specified. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: No ********** 5. Is the manuscript presented in an intelligible fashion and written in standard English? PLOS ONE does not copyedit accepted manuscripts, so the language in submitted articles must be clear, correct, and unambiguous. Any typographical or grammatical errors should be corrected at revision, so please note any specific errors here. Reviewer #1: No Reviewer #2: Yes ********** 6. Review Comments to the Author Please use the space provided to explain your answers to the questions above. You may also include additional comments for the author, including concerns about dual publication, research ethics, or publication ethics. (Please upload your review as an attachment if it exceeds 20,000 characters) Reviewer #1: The paper shows that the neighborhood affluence has a stronger effect on educational attainment than neighborhood poverty in the Netherlands. Even though the paper was improved, there are still inadequate sentences such as "These results highlight the need for more studies on the effects of concentrated affluence, and they can inspire policies focused on the segregation of richer households." - What do you mean "can inspire policies focused on the segregation"? Is segregation something positive in this context? Why? Several informal expressions such as "Perhaps","In doing so", "This is what we had in mind with the current paper", "according to our assumptions Excessive use of "" in the paper Multiple places without references using very strong statements such as "there are theoretical reasons to believe that exposure to affluence may actually be more important as a predictor of educational attainment than exposure to poverty","As already discussed, poverty is often associated with crime and isolation of minority groups." The limitations of the work are not in line with the following statement: "we have painted a fuller picture in which the spatial transmission of poverty is not an isolated problem, but one reinforced by most resources being concentrated somewhere else." I am not sure whether it can be also concluded that "Our results support our initial idea that it is often the lack of resources in poor and middle income neighborhoods that is the problem, not the theorized negative effects of poverty itself." As the subject of the paper is inequality, I would recommend the authors to tune down the statements (especially the ones that imply "cause and consequence") and use more formal and well accepted jargon. Reviewer #2: - Thanks to the authors for making these significant adjustments to the paper. I think the structure and presentation are clearer, and many of comments have been addressed. Kudos! In general I recommend it for publication, but I would strongly encourage the authors to include these final changes in the submitted version for the reader. I think adding these will help you convince more quantitatively minded readers of your argument. - I could be missing it, but if you do study neighborhood trajectories from the KNN approach in a prior study like you mention in your rebuttal, please reference it when discussing the KNN method or results so that a reader can find that work fairly easily. It is a logical train of thought to want to learn more about the construct you’ve made. - I am still a little concerned about the affluent and poverty variables. While not quite a composition, it is close to one as the two variables before being averaged across years are constrained. The correlation is also strongly *negative*, not “not correlated” at -.45. I would just mention this and add an argument why you feel there is no need to transform the variables (e.g. see https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-36809-7_5), or include the VIF for your models to convince the reader that there is not a multicollinearity problem. - I would also include the reasoning you gave me for not including the 'average distance' to different affluent or poor households, mainly because I do not find your answer totally satisfying. You argue that 200 households is a good proxy for social interaction, but the likelihood of interaction with the nearest 200 households for a rural community vs a dense urban one are wildly different in my view. I don't think that controlling for urban density ("urbanity") is enough to capture this. I'd like to see either some text addressing this specifically on e.g. page 16, or some statistics showing me that the urbanization variable highly correlates with a household's avg. distance to poor and affluent households. If it doesn't, I think it would show that there is variation your analysis isn't capturing. Even if that's the case, you can show that and then mention why you don't operationalize it. As it stands it's still a question I have reading the paper. - Regarding the “null” model, thanks to the authors for their explanation. However, I would like the explanation you gave me in the review to be present in the text. ********** 7. PLOS authors have the option to publish the peer review history of their article (what does this mean?). If published, this will include your full peer review and any attached files. If you choose “no”, your identity will remain anonymous but your review may still be made public. Do you want your identity to be public for this peer review? For information about this choice, including consent withdrawal, please see our Privacy Policy. 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