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closeA missed opportunity
Posted by RevBoden on 22 Mar 2013 at 01:22 GMT
This is a topic I am very interested in and study on a daily basis. Unfortunately this study is missing some very important details.
1. How much of these elements are actually absorbed by a person using an EC.
2. What are the toxicity thresholds of these elements.
3. The silicates, were they Amorphous or Crystalline? The difference really matters.
You have to keep in mind: The dose makes the poison. Without knowing the dose everything is scary, even water.
RE: A missed opportunity
debbieg replied to RevBoden on 26 Mar 2013 at 22:50 GMT
I agree and I would also be interested in knowing which brand cartomizers where tested and if they are still being sold
RE: RE: A missed opportunity
mwill008 replied to debbieg on 09 Aug 2013 at 20:29 GMT
The journal did not allow us to identify the brand that was used in this study, but we will provide this information to you if you contact us by email.
RE: A missed opportunity
everlastinglight replied to RevBoden on 25 Jul 2013 at 11:27 GMT
As a layman and electronic cigarette user this looks , at first glance, very scary.
I agree that it lacks some very important details including an actual comparison between electronic cigarette vapour and tobacco smoke. The only 'comparison' referred to isn't a comparison at all. They state that an EC user taking 100 puffs a day will inhale 10^8 particles < 1000nm. 10 puffs is equivalent to a tobacco cigarette so that would be 10^7 compared to the tobacco cigarette's 8.8 x 10^9 (nearly 10^10) particles. So are there about 1000 times more particles in the tobacco cigarette? There would be if they were making a comparison of the same sizes of particle. In fact, they compare the number of particles in tobacco smoke between 6 and 50nm with the number of particles in EC vapour <1000nm, a range that is over 20 times greater! It's as if these figures have been written to make ECs look much worse than they are compared with tobacco.
RE: A missed opportunity
mwill008 replied to RevBoden on 09 Aug 2013 at 20:28 GMT
1. We have not yet determined the amounts absorbed by e-cigarette users, but plan to collect such data in the future.
2. We are currently determining the toxicity thresholds for the combined metals in aerosol.
3. Using transmission electron microscopy and electron diffraction, we determined that the silicates in this EC aerosol were amorphous.
RE: RE: A missed opportunity
eclax replied to mwill008 on 26 Nov 2015 at 11:44 GMT
Good morning
In your paper you claim silicate beads have been detected in the aerosol and point out that such particles originated form the fiberglass wicks contained in the e cigarettes employed to produce the vapour.
What I could not find in your results is the amount of such released beads. Have you got any data about that?
Regards