Peer Review History

Original SubmissionFebruary 4, 2022

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Decision Letter - Gabriel Gasque, Editor

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Decision Letter - Gabriel Gasque, Editor

Dear Dr Martin,

Thank you very much for submitting a revised version of your manuscript "Neural encoding of phrases and sentences in spoken language comprehension" for consideration as a Research Article at PLOS Biology. I'm now handling your paper as my colleague Dr Gabriel Gasque has sadly left PLOS. This revised version of your manuscript has been evaluated by the PLOS Biology editors, the Academic Editor and two of the original reviewers.

You'll see that while reviewer #2 is now mostly satisfied, reviewer #1 raises some continuing concerns that will need to be addressed. I asked the Academic Editor about this reviewer's requests, and s/he said "I think this paper still needs substantive revisions -- although I think that if they are done well, the paper will be in good shape and be acceptable. The major comment made by reviewer #1 really does need to be addressed for the argument to be compelling."

In light of the reviews (below), we will not be able to accept the current version of the manuscript, but we would welcome re-submission of a much-revised version that takes into account the reviewers' comments. We cannot make any decision about publication until we have seen the revised manuscript and your response to the reviewers' comments. Your revised manuscript is also likely to be sent for further evaluation by the reviewers.

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REVIEWERS' COMMENTS:

Reviewer #1:

SUMMARY

I thank the authors for taking the time and care to address my comments. While my concerns regarding the acoustic matching of the two primary conditions are alleviated, I still have hesitation regarding the overall claims and interpretations of the work. In their response to my review, the authors state "Our experiment tests the predictions of a computational model published in this journal (Martin & Doumas, 2017), which proposed a mechanism for building syntactic structure, time-based binding." For this to be true, I think ideally the link between the current empirical results, and the explicit predictions for the prior computational model need to be made explicit through simulation.

MAJOR

(1) Link to Martin & Doumas (2017)

This work is being used to provide empirical evidence for the claims put forward in a previous paper published in the same journal. However, to be used as such, I feel like the appropriate approach would be to take the DORA model used in the previous paper, simulate the responses to the same stimuli used in this study, and compare to the obtained EEG signals. Without a direct comparison, and without a detailed explanation of what the previously detailed "mechanism" is that is being supported here, it is very hard for the reader to validate the results.

The previous paper found that the DORA model was also able to capture the frequency tagging result of Ding et al., 2016. But to make claims regarding the binding of information through aligned responses in time, using non-isochronous stimuli, I think that we would need to see that the DORA model predicts phase alignment during the same time periods observed in the EEG responses.

Without this, I think the next best thing is to provide a schematic of the proposed mechanism, so that the reader can understand the concrete predictions without having to refer back to the previously published study.

(2) Time alignment

The authors present their results time-locked to sentence onset. But the listener will distinguish sentence vs. Phrasal structure at later (and potentially multiple) points within the stimulus. In order to link the current results to a binding mechanism through phase coupling, I feel that the timing of the effects need to be directly linked to the syntactic structure available to the system at that moment in time.

MINOR

- in some places I feel like the writing is unnecessarily complicated. For example, by "the acoustic and physical dynamics of speech do not injectively mark the linguistic structure and meaning that we perceive" do you mean that linguistic structure cannot be directly read out from the acoustic signal? There are a few instances where I think the language could be simplified a bit.

- I found it a bit distracting the sentence "speech contains an abundance of acoustic features in both time and frequency" … speech IS an acoustic signal, which can be defined, if you choose, relative to the dimensions of time and frequency. Do you mean that it is particularly variable along these dimensions? It is not just that speech contains acoustic features, it cannot be divorced from those features.

- Lines 1039:1042 seem circular / repetitive to me

- Typo "organisation" on line 1182

Reviewer #2:

[identifies himself as William Matchin]

I am mostly satisfied with the responses and revisions that the authors have provided to my concerns on the original submission. However I still have some minor concerns.

In the response document the authors note that they have provided a gloss to figure 1, but I do not see this - all I see is the Dutch syllable, without information regarding the linguistic function of these elements. I feel that some of this detail should also be discussed earlier in the paper - that it's not just the hierarchical arrangement that differs between the sentence and phrase conditions, but also the addition of a function word in the sentence condition and an agreement morpheme in the phrase condition.

Some general comments on language - the manuscript is dense and often difficult to understand for researchers less familiar with the terminology and background. For example, line 122-123, "the relative timing of neural ensemble firing is taken as an informational degree of freedom". This is hard to unpack. I also had a hard time parsing the following sentence, lines 123-125. "distributed representations that fire together closely in time, pass activation forward to receiver ensembles, such as words, are encoded together by those receiver ensembles…". It's not clear to me if there is some sort of grammatical issue here or the sentence is just hard to understand. I believe that more plain language and concrete examples would go a long way towards making these ideas more intelligible to the reader who is less familiar with these concepts, which is particularly important given the general scope of PLoS Biology.

It is hard for me to interpret the claims that the physical stimuli between the phrase and sentence conditions are "highly similar", since it is not clear what the relevant baseline to me is. For example, if we take random pairs of sentences in the present stimulus set, what would the physical similarity be? I think any claims of "similar pattern", "highly similar", etc., need to be evaluated against some relevant baseline. I'm not 100% sure what that baseline should be, but of course there are going to be significant correlations between two speech stimuli of similar length. Case in point, figures 1c and 1d claim to show that the temporal-spectral pattern is similar, but they definitely have noticeable differences, for example the much stronger high frequency energy in 1d at ~220-250 ms that is missing in 1c, etc. Figure 1e makes is hard to examine the true differences in conditions because the lines are thick and squished together. On this point, it seems to me that while showing significant acoustic similarity between the conditions is relevant, this does not show that there are no differences, and that these differences might contribute to the results.

I feel that this should be acknowledged a bit more clearly in the manuscript - that it's of course impossible to rule out acoustic differences contributing to these effects, but that it's unlikely that this is happening for various reasons.

I found a number of typos throughout the manuscript; it would probably be best to search exhaustively for such errors.

line 126 - "extended in to" -> "extended to/into"

Line 707 - synatctic -> syntactic

figure 1 f: internsity -> intensity

Figure 9 caption: volumn -> volume

line 313: acoustsics -> acoustics

Figure 4 caption: mechnism -> mechanism

Line 504: boarder -> border

Revision 2

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Decision Letter - Kris Dickson, Editor

Dear Dr Martin,

Thank you for your patience while we considered your revised manuscript "Neural encoding of phrases and sentences in spoken language comprehension" for publication as a Research Article at PLOS Biology. This revised version of your manuscript has been evaluated by the PLOS Biology editors, the Academic Editor and one of the original reviewers.

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Suggested title change to: Neural dynamics differentially encode phrases and sentences during spoken language comprehension

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Revision 3
Decision Letter - Kris Dickson, Editor

Dear Dr Martin,

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